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Iran's stake in Georgia----"Russia against U.S."---

 
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Iran's stake in Georgia

Pajamas Media's Meir Javedanfar has an interesting take on what's at stake in Georgia for Iran (Hat Tip: Hot Air).


Iran Worried over Georgian Conflict

Tehran is concerned that the Iranian nuclear program may become a bargaining chip in resolving the question of South Ossetia. In Iran, as in much of the world, the current conflict between Georgia and Russia is viewed as part of a bigger struggle between the West and Russia over influence in the Caucasus region.

Tehran sees Georgia as an important part of U.S. plans to increase its influence in the region — and fears that such a plan may affect them directly.

These concerns were reflected in an article published in Tabnak, owned by former Revolutionary Guards commander Mohsen Rezai. In an interview with Dr. Mehdi Senai, a politics lecturer at Tehran University, Senai said that Tehran’s nuclear program, and the international approach to resolve the dispute surrounding it, may become part of a wider agreement between the U.S. and Russia after the end of the conflict. What worries him is that “Russia’s capacity to confront the U.S. is limited.”

Iran is concerned that if Russia comes out looking bad in this conflict, it could have two negative repercussions for Tehran.

One is that Iran will lose the influence and support of one of its important allies in the 5+1 group of nations. This influence is very important for Tehran, as Russia recently broke ranks with other members of the group by stating that Iran should be given more time to respond to the recent incentives proposal.

The other worst-case scenario for Tehran is that a weakened Russia, seeking a deal over Georgia, could give the U.S. the green light to launch a military operation against Iran’s nuclear facilities. “In the dealings between international powers [i.e., Russia and the U.S.], Iran has to be very careful,” warns Dr. Senai.

There are also cultural reasons why Iran would want the Russian-backed South Ossetians to emerge victorious, as their local dialect is very close to Farsi, Iran’s national language. Many of the province’s citizens have Iranian heritage, as a number of countries in the Caucasus used to belong to Persia before Russia annexed them in the early 18th century.

There are other angles of this conflict which could concern Iran, notably the Israeli connection.

According to the Israeli news site Ynet, Israel has had a seven-year military relationship with Georgia. A wide range of sophisticated weaponry, including remotely piloted vehicles (RPVs) and training programs for Georgia’s special forces, were sold to Tiblisi.

One important person in the Georgian government who helped Israel get these contracts is Davit Kezerashvili, Georgia’s defense minister and a former Israeli citizen who speaks fluent Hebrew.

What could cause worry in Tehran is that Jerusalem is trying to use its influence over Georgia as potential leverage to prevent Russia from selling advanced weaponry to Iran in the future.

Israel hopes to achieve this through its recent declaration that it will no longer sell weapons and systems which could be used for attack purposes to Georgia. This means that instead of selling rifles or RPVs, it will confine its sales to defensive equipment such as communication devices.

This move is likely to win new friends and allies for Israel in the Kremlin. Even if Russia doesn’t immediately reciprocate, it might do so in the future. The Georgian experience will serve as a good personal example for Russia’s leadership and the threat they pose by supplying sophisticated weapons to another country’s enemy, especially Iran, which Israel sees as an existential threat, something far more serious than the Georgian threat poses for Russia.
[link to www.fas.org]

For now, it seems that Ahmadinejad will be doing his utmost to widen Iran’s circle of friends. One notable effort is his upcoming trip to Turkey scheduled for August 14. This has already proven to be controversial. Initially, it was declared as a state visit. However, soon his administration realized that all politicians who are on state visits to Turkey must visit the mausoleum of Ataturk, who is considered to be the founding father of secular Turkey.

To religious Iranian revolutionaries like Ahmadinejad, Ataturk represents everything they oppose. The iconic Turkish leader removed religion from government; Ahmadinejad wants religion to be the center point of government. In order to avoid the mausoleum pilgrimage, he changed the title of his trip from a “state visit” to a “working visit,” which means he will only visit Istanbul and not Ankara, where Ataturk is buried.

To make matters even stickier for the Iranian president, Israel waded into the story by protesting to Turkey about Ahmadinejad’s visit. While the Iranian government described the letter as “lacking value,” Iran’s decision makers are aware of Turkey’s close relationship with Israel, especially when it comes to the recent peace talks between Jerusalem and Damascus.

It is very likely that Ahmadinejad will use Iran’s importance as a supplier of energy to Turkey as leverage to convince Ankara to reduce its support for Israel. Unfortunately for him, he will most likely fail. Like the Russians, the Turks are far more interested in boosting their own regional position than in President Ahmadinejad’s friendship.

[link to pajamasmedia.com]





What could cause worry in Tehran is that Jerusalem is trying to use its influence over Georgia as potential leverage to prevent Russia from selling advanced weaponry to Iran in the future.

Israel hopes to achieve this through its recent declaration that it will no longer sell weapons and systems which could be used for attack purposes to Georgia. This means that instead of selling rifles or RPVs, it will confine its sales to defensive equipment such as communication devices.

This move is likely to win new friends and allies for Israel in the Kremlin. Even if Russia doesn’t immediately reciprocate, it might do so in the future. The Georgian experience will serve as a good personal example for Russia’s leadership and the threat they pose by supplying sophisticated weapons to another country’s enemy, especially Iran, which Israel sees as an existential threat, something far more serious than the Georgian threat poses for Russia.

I'm not convinced that Israel is going to win any friends in the Kremlin by refusing to sell offensive weapons to Georgia (more likely, we'll just hurt our own defense exports), but read the whole article.

[link to pajamasmedia.com]


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Pst...that's a NeoCon site.
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Pst...that's a NeoCon site.
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thanks sigmund.....
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dont tell anybody...secrets
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I guess you are implying that dumb cows keep secrets.
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dont tell anybody...secrets


I guess you are implying that dumb cows keep secrets.
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didi you just call yourself a dumb cow?
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didi you just call yourself a dumb cow?
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DIDI...try harder.
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didi you just call yourself a dumb cow?


DIDI...try harder.
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M I teh dumb cow? :moo:
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This sounds spin. Russia has billions tied up in Iran, and this is what the Iran thing is really about

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Trust me it's not about Iran's Nuke Program

Always remember NWO finances both ides of every conflict so that both sides lose.
1. "Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn’t go away."

2. “A fear of weapons is a sign of retarded sexual and emotional maturity” - Sigmund Freud
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Did the trolls left finally?
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I hope they ate enough and they wont come at least for a while...

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Re: Iran's stake in Georgia----"Russia against U.S."---
This sounds spin. Russia has billions tied up in Iran, and this is what the Iran thing is really about

[link to judicialinc.biz]

Trust me it's not about Iran's Nuke Program

Always remember NWO finances both ides of every conflict so that both sides lose.
 Quoting: The 11th Hour Watcher


The Russians aren't going to stop seeling weapons to Iran, and their word isn't to be trusted.
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Russians have done extensive business with Iran.
And Business are Business first of all.
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Pst...that's a NeoCon site.
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Pssst.. ZIONISM and PNAC are one-in-the-same; the founder of PNAC, Leo Strauss, was a ZIONIST.

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GAIA, STOP with the lets murder millions in Iran and start a FUCKING GLOBAL THERMONUCLEAR WAR, YOU IDIOT BEOTCH!!!
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GAIA, If USA and Israel advised Georgia in military strategy and didn't want thousands of Russians and hundreds of their tanks that had been amassing just across the border from storming south and wiping them out, why didn't the Israelis council the Georgians to blow up the tunnel, or bomb it just before their operation so the Russians couldn't attack them for a long enough time to complete their taking over and securing of south Ossetia. If not that strategy, then better yet, covertly set up IUD's every 50-100 yards along the only access road out of the tunnel, and create a roadblock near town once the Russians moved towards the town so that the entire column of Russian transport vehicles and tanks would be backed up for miles, and then blow them all up at the same instant. Then there would be miles of debris/vehicles in the way blocking any tanks from moving south for many days. Also, why didn't the Georgians have all of their fighter jets in the air before such an attack? As should have been expected, the Russians blew up the military runways. Israel should have developed a plan, unless of course they thought that embarrasing Russia as a bad actor/dangerous was a more important value to Israel/USA than saving Georgia from an embarassing immediate defeat!!!!! BTW your "photos" drive me crazy, if you're a tenth as bewitching in person you must be GAIA herself.
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Leave the world in peace.
Stop stirring shit in every corner of the world.
VADE RETRO.
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Also, why didn't the Georgians have all of their fighter jets in the air before such an attack?
 Quoting: Geode nli 397067

BUGAGA you see thouse farmers are not warriors :-) what else you would expect? BTW I guess we will sell to IRAN few H-Bomb if USA start bothering them...
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Pst...that's a NeoCon site.



Pssst.. ZIONISM and PNAC are one-in-the-same; the founder of PNAC, Leo Strauss, was a ZIONIST.

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GAIA, STOP with the lets murder millions in Iran and start a FUCKING GLOBAL THERMONUCLEAR WAR, YOU IDIOT BEOTCH!!!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 483835

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Leave the world in peace.
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VADE RETRO.
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