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Aircraft Laser from "Real Genius" a Reality. USAF Boasts "Plausible Deniability"

 
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US boasts of laser weapon's 'plausible deniability'
By David Hambling

NewScientist.com news service
12 August 2008

An airborne laser weapon dubbed the "long-range blowtorch" has the added benefit that the US could convincingly deny any involvement with the destruction it causes, say senior officials of the US Air Force (USAF).

The Advanced Tactical Laser (ATL) is to be mounted on a Hercules military transport plane. Boeing announced the first test firing of the laser, from a plane on the ground, earlier this summer.

Cynthia Kaiser, chief engineer of the US Air Force Research Laboratory's Directed Energy Directorate, used the phrase "plausible deniability" to describe the weapon's benefits in a briefing (powerpoint format) on laser weapons to the New Mexico Optics Industry Association in June.

Plausibly deniable

John Corley, director of USAF's Capabilities Integration Directorate, used the same phrase to describe the weapon's benefits at an Air Armament Symposium in Florida in October 2007 (see page 15, pdf format).

As the term suggests, "plausible deniability" is used to describe situations where those responsible for an event could plausibly claim to have had no involvement in it.

Corley and Kaiser did not respond to requests from New Scientist to expand on their comments. But John Pike, analyst with defence think-tank Global Security, based in Virginia, says the implications are clear.

"The target would never know what hit them," says Pike. "Further, there would be no munition fragments that could be used to identify the source of the strike."

Silent strike

A laser beam is silent and invisible. An ATL can deliver the heat of a blowtorch with a range of 20 kilometres, depending on conditions. That range is great enough that the aircraft carrying it might not be seen, especially at night.

With no previous examples for comparison, it may be difficult to discern whether damage to a vehicle or person was the result of a laser strike.

The 5.5-tonne ATL combines chlorine and hydrogen peroxide molecules to release energy, which is used in turn to stimulate iodine into releasing intense infra-red light.

The US uses Hercules aircraft for accurate cannon strikes on moving vehicles. The ATL is touted as bringing a new level of accuracy to such attacks, for example being able to pinpoint a vehicle's tyres to disable it safely.

A second, larger version of the laser is also nearing initial testing. The much larger Airborne Laser is intended for missile defence and will be carried by a Boeing 747.

ATL official fact sheet, USAF (PDF format)
[link to www.kirtland.af.mil]

John Corley's presentation - see page 15 (PDF format)
[link to www.ndiagulfcoast.com]

Cynthia Kaiser's briefing (PowerPoint format)
[link to www.nmoia.org]

The 1985 movie "Real Genius" with Val Kilmer:
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Quoted from the Fact Sheet:

"A Chemical Oxygen-Iodine Laser, or COIL, invented by Air Force Research Laboratory scientists in 1977, is the heart of the aircraft-based system, producing the world’s shortest wavelength (1.315 micrometers), high-power chemical laser. COIL uses an excited state of molecular oxygen, generated by a chemical reaction between chlorine gas and a mixture of hydrogen peroxide and potassium hydroxide (basic hydrogen peroxide). Molecular iodine is then injected and mixed with the gas flow, producing a chemical reaction that results in laser energy."

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Was tested and approved last wed-Thursday by Boeing ..

already on board for production...
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Was tested and approved last wed-Thursday by Boeing ..

already on board for production...
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What's that image? Targeting system?
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That is with the article from wired.


with the demonstration from boeing.


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Does it make Kent float on popcorn?
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That is with the article from wired.


with the demonstration from boeing.


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Dang.

Good thread.

I'm sure they have certain patriotic citizens in mind for this technology, too. Would certainly quell dissent through fear of being zapped out of the clear blue sky:

"Precision engagement of a PID [Positively Identified] insurgent by a DEW [Directed Energy Weapon] will be a highly surgical and impressively violent event. Target effects will include instantaneous burst-combustion of insurgent clothing, a rapid death through violent trauma, and more probably a morbid combination of both. It is estimated that the aftermath of a sub-second engagement by PASDEW [Precision Airborne Standoff Directed Energy Weapon] will also be an observable event leaving an impression of terrifyingly precise CF [Coalition Force] attribution in the minds of all witnesses."
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This is just like the halo game
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This is just like the halo game
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Never played it.

I just remember that movie from the 80s and the laser on the plane was just like this. At the time, I remember thinking, "Yeah, right." And today, here it is, ready to go on a massive "zapping spree" frying everything in its path.
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Bushmerika is like a crackhead with a sawed off shotgun in each hand, standing out in front of the 7/11.

We can't pay our bills, or build a tv set, or even a fucking toaster, but we can piss away our borrowed money on stupid crap like this.

Makes ya proud. It really does.

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Bushmerika is like a crackhead with a sawed off shotgun in each hand, standing out in front of the 7/11.

We can't pay our bills, or build a tv set, or even a fucking toaster, but we can piss away our borrowed money on stupid crap like this.

Makes ya proud. It really does.

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You must be out of your damn mind..


You sir are a looser and do not recognized when a 12k lb weapon that is refireable --requires no ammunition and can hang over a battlefield for hours at a time was just tested and approved for funding..


You sir are as dim as they come..

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I think they already tested it on 9/11.

Remember the photos of the weird burned autos? Half of one car melted, the other half ok. Rows of cars melted in a parking lot with all the other rows unharmed?

Here are the pics of the 9/11 "StarWars Beam"

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Bushmerika is like a crackhead with a sawed off shotgun in each hand, standing out in front of the 7/11.

We can't pay our bills, or build a tv set, or even a fucking toaster, but we can piss away our borrowed money on stupid crap like this.

Makes ya proud. It really does.

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You must be out of your damn mind..


You sir are a looser and do not recognized when a 12k lb weapon that is refireable --requires no ammunition and can hang over a battlefield for hours at a time was just tested and approved for funding..


You sir are as dim as they come..

God I love America.
 Quoting: Kanigo2


American idiot....
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This is old and way underpowered...

In flight, multiple target .. destruction.

The only thing we needed was more power and a stabilizing platform...
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I read about this thing a while back.

Here are some photos of the plane.

[link to news.bbc.co.uk]
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Bushmerika is like a crackhead with a sawed off shotgun in each hand, standing out in front of the 7/11.

We can't pay our bills, or build a tv set, or even a fucking toaster, but we can piss away our borrowed money on stupid crap like this.

Makes ya proud. It really does.

flag waver



You must be out of your damn mind..


You sir are a looser and do not recognized when a 12k lb weapon that is refireable --requires no ammunition and can hang over a battlefield for hours at a time was just tested and approved for funding..


You sir are as dim as they come..

God I love America.
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When determining the true state of our national security, there are far more important factors to wiegh in than the numbers of murders we can get away with.

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US Dollar Index: 2000 - 2008
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National Debt Graph (2007 Budget data)
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Rank Order - Current account balance

Rank Country Current account balance Date of Information
1 China $ 360,700,000,000 2007 est.
2 Japan $ 212,800,000,000 2007 est.
3 Germany $ 185,000,000,000 2007 est.
4 Saudi Arabia $ 100,800,000,000 2007 est.
5 Russia $ 76,600,000,000 2007 est.
6 Switzerland $ 72,840,000,000 2007 est.
7 Norway $ 63,660,000,000 2007 est.
8 Kuwait $ 52,730,000,000 2007 est.
9 Netherlands $ 50,930,000,000 2007 est.
10 United Arab Emirates $ 41,670,000,000 2007 est.
11 Singapore $ 39,160,000,000 2007 est.
12 Sweden $ 37,990,000,000 2007 est.
13 Taiwan $ 31,700,000,000 2007
14 Algeria $ 30,580,000,000 2007 est.
15 Iran $ 30,470,000,000 2007 est.
16 Malaysia $ 26,050,000,000 2007 est.
17 Hong Kong $ 25,460,000,000 2007 est.
18 Libya $ 24,280,000,000 2007 est.
19 Qatar $ 23,440,000,000
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more "gee whiz" shit.....but lap it up morons, just like the rail guns, plasma beams, and all that other "sdi" junk they've tossed money at like drunks at a stripclub for the past 20 yrs.....impractical... moisture in the atmosphere will detune the beam....it will only be useful as an anti-aircraft weapon, firing from a high-altitude platform to another high altitude target.... and it's mounted on the slow-moving, c-130 transport plane, excellent weapons platform for dealing with an enemy using 12th century technology and tactics.... they trot this shit out every 5 years or so, to get dumb-asses in the legislative branch to rubber stamp "high-tech" appropriations bills, then they build a couple science fair projects, and dump the cash into "black-ops", and retirement villas for druglords in costa rica.....i seem to remember the same crap being touted as a "missile defense" in the early 90s, only mounted on a 747.....but, it appeared that it wasnt such a panacea of destruction, as we developed the "patriot", and the other missiles that will be used for the "missile shield"..... smoke and mirrors kids.....
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more "gee whiz" shit.....but lap it up morons, just like the rail guns, plasma beams, and all that other "sdi" junk they've tossed money at like drunks at a stripclub for the past 20 yrs.....impractical... moisture in the atmosphere will detune the beam....it will only be useful as an anti-aircraft weapon, firing from a high-altitude platform to another high altitude target.... and it's mounted on the slow-moving, c-130 transport plane, excellent weapons platform for dealing with an enemy using 12th century technology and tactics.... they trot this shit out every 5 years or so, to get dumb-asses in the legislative branch to rubber stamp "high-tech" appropriations bills, then they build a couple science fair projects, and dump the cash into "black-ops", and retirement villas for druglords in costa rica.....i seem to remember the same crap being touted as a "missile defense" in the early 90s, only mounted on a 747.....but, it appeared that it wasnt such a panacea of destruction, as we developed the "patriot", and the other missiles that will be used for the "missile shield"..... smoke and mirrors kids.....
 Quoting: ambiguity unlimited


smoke and mirrors kids.....

wouldn't it be funny if all that was needed to counter this thing was putting a $10 mirror on the target to reflect the beam back into space?
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more "gee whiz" shit.....but lap it up morons, just like the rail guns, plasma beams, and all that other "sdi" junk they've tossed money at like drunks at a stripclub for the past 20 yrs.....impractical... moisture in the atmosphere will detune the beam....it will only be useful as an anti-aircraft weapon, firing from a high-altitude platform to another high altitude target.... and it's mounted on the slow-moving, c-130 transport plane, excellent weapons platform for dealing with an enemy using 12th century technology and tactics.... they trot this shit out every 5 years or so, to get dumb-asses in the legislative branch to rubber stamp "high-tech" appropriations bills, then they build a couple science fair projects, and dump the cash into "black-ops", and retirement villas for druglords in costa rica.....i seem to remember the same crap being touted as a "missile defense" in the early 90s, only mounted on a 747.....but, it appeared that it wasnt such a panacea of destruction, as we developed the "patriot", and the other missiles that will be used for the "missile shield"..... smoke and mirrors kids.....


smoke and mirrors kids.....

wouldn't it be funny if all that was needed to counter this thing was putting a $10 mirror on the target to reflect the beam back into space?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 434862

all that would be required would be a dense fog, or a cloud, anywhere between the platform and target.....
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Was tested and approved last wed-Thursday by Boeing ..

already on board for production...
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Crazy Ivan, the N. Korean's, Iran, Syria,

They will all be left fighting America and Israel

With bow's and arrows!

hahahahahah!


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Generals gathered in their masses
Just like witches at black masses
Evil minds that plot destruction
Sorcerers of deaths construction
In the fields the bodies burning
As the war machine keeps turning
Death and hatred to mankind
Poisoning their brainwashed minds, oh lord yeah!

Politicians hide themselves away
They only started the war
Why should they go out to fight?
They leave that role to the poor

Time will tell on their power minds
Making war just for fun
Treating people just like pawns in chess
Wait till their judgement day comes, yeah!

Now in darkness, world stops turning
As the war machine keeps burning
No more war pigs of the power
Hand of God has sturck the hour

Day of judgement, God is calling
On their knees, the war pigs crawling
Begging mercy for their sins
Satan, laughing, spreads his wings
All right now!
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Was tested and approved last wed-Thursday by Boeing ..

already on board for production...




Crazy Ivan, the N. Korean's, Iran, Syria,

They will all be left fighting America and Israel

With bow's and arrows!

hahahahahah!



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You forget Russia's particle beam weapons. They will turn your aircraft into flying french fries.
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Was tested and approved last wed-Thursday by Boeing ..

already on board for production...




Crazy Ivan, the N. Korean's, Iran, Syria,

They will all be left fighting America and Israel

With bow's and arrows!

hahahahahah!



 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 493802


The funny thing is, they don't even have to fight us.

All they have to do is stop loaning us money.
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The funny thing is, they don't even have to fight us.

All they have to do is stop loaning us money.
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