What's deal with tin-foil hats? | |
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<October> User ID: 427959 Canada 08/18/2008 12:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They don't work as well as folks think. In fact, according to a study at M.I.T. they can actually amplify some of the frequencies! [link to people.csail.mit.edu] There's also a video, but I can't find it right now... ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Fear is no policy and surrender is not an option ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Peace with Justice ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 486657 New Zealand 08/18/2008 12:38 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The belief that a tin foil hat can significantly reduce the intensity of incident radio frequency (RF) radiation on the wearer's brain is not completely without a basis in scientific fact. A well constructed tin foil enclosure would approximate a Faraday cage, reducing the amount of radiofrequency electromagnetic radiation entering from outside. A common high school physics demonstration involves placing an AM radio on tin foil, and then covering the radio with a metal bucket. This leads to a noticeable reduction in signal strength. The efficiency of such an enclosure in blocking such radiation depends on the thickness of the tin foil, as dictated by the skin depth, the distance the radiation can propagate in a particular non-ideal conductor. For half-millimeter-thick tin foil, radiation above about 20 kHz (i.e., including both AM and FM bands) would be partially blocked. The effectiveness of the tin foil hat as electromagnetic shielding for stopping radio waves is greatly reduced by the fact that it is not a complete enclosure. Placing an AM radio under a metal bucket without a conductive layer underneath demonstrates the relative ineffectiveness of such a setup. Because the effect of an ungrounded Faraday cage is to partially reflect the incident radiation, a radio wave that is incident on the inner surface of the hat (i.e., coming from underneath the hat-wearer) would be reflected and partially 'focused' towards the user's brain. While tin foil hats may have originated in some understanding of the Faraday cage effect, the use of such a hat to attenuate radio waves belongs properly to the realm of pseudoscience. A study by graduate students at MIT determined that a tin foil hat could either amplify or attenuate incoming radiation depending on frequency. The effect was observed to be roughly independent of the relative placement of the wearer and radiation source. At GHz wavelengths, the skin depth is less than the thickness of even the thinnest foil. Despite some allegations that electromagnetic radiation (EMR) exposure has harmful effects on health , at this time, no link has been verifiably proven between the radio-frequency EMR that tin foil hats are meant to protect against and subsequent ill health. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 486657 New Zealand 08/18/2008 12:40 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Various web sites claim that people believe in the efficacy of tin foil hats and similar devices to stop the voices in their head or prevent the government, paranormal beings, or aliens from reading and/or controlling their minds. These people believe that the foil deflects mind control signals from, for instance, project HAARP, which allegedly transmits mind-control signals from mobile phone towers. These draw on the stereotypical images of mind control operating by ESP or by technological means, like microwave radiation. Belief in the effectiveness of tin foil hats is popularly linked to mental illnesses such as paranoid schizophrenia. |
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<October> User ID: 427959 Canada 08/18/2008 12:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | From the link: <snip> "Conclusion The helmets amplify frequency bands that coincide with those allocated to the US government between 1.2 Ghz and 1.4 Ghz. According to the FCC, These bands are supposedly reserved for ''radio location'' (ie, GPS), and other communications with satellites (see, for example, [3]). The 2.6 Ghz band coincides with mobile phone technology. Though not affiliated by government, these bands are at the hands of multinational corporations. It requires no stretch of the imagination to conclude that the current helmet craze is likely to have been propagated by the Government, possibly with the involvement of the FCC. We hope this report will encourage the paranoid community to develop improved helmet designs to avoid falling prey to these shortcomings." ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Fear is no policy and surrender is not an option ~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Peace with Justice ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
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Mr. Predictor Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 287257 United States 08/18/2008 12:54 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ask the next person you see with either a tin foil hat or tin foil on their glasses' lenses better yet have a baby with them "If there is a new fascism, it won't come from skinheads and punks; it will come from people who eat granola and think they know how the world should be." - Brian Eno |
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hardboiledheretic User ID: 486705 United States 08/18/2008 12:59 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | They don't work as well as folks think. Quoting: <October>In fact, according to a study at M.I.T. they can actually amplify some of the frequencies! [link to people.csail.mit.edu] There's also a video, but I can't find it right now... lol |
hoot no more/hasheater User ID: 486712 United Kingdom 08/18/2008 01:14 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | You can get about a 30-40% felt reduction in the ELF whine from the WOODPECKER and cell phone tower transmitters with an old aluminum hard hat. Aluminum foil is not that effective. The best material to use is niobium foil, but it is very pricey; about $500 for a 10 square feet roll. Why in hell do you think, they take so much time and trouble to laugh at defensive tactics? |
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Omega User ID: 340280 United States 08/18/2008 10:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Sigh.....woo woo's.... Google Mu-Metal... Anyone serious about the issue goes with dat.... Handguns are a skill; shotguns an art; rifles a science. _____________________________________ Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on whats for dinner. Disarmament is the precursor to Genocide. Better to take action now rather than chances later. Your choice. |
Leoparda_Sanctus User ID: 629741 United States 03/11/2009 10:05 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Get military issue hard hat. Your going to need one. Brother sun, intuition moon. Home at the forest. Sure every post I have mentions goat blood...How do you think we get plasma tv's? Organic needs are being assaulted. I'm not amused by this & encourage all to grow heirloom seed for themselves. The garden gives greatest power. Diabetes curing food list [Forget the FDA - Think for yourself]: Thread: Every item recently recalled by FDA for salmonella has diabetic healing also prostate Big Pharma rids their competition |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 608667 United States 03/12/2009 10:51 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | People often refer to conspiracy theorists as tin-foil hat people, and I've seen the web sites where people swear by these things, offer instructions to make them and even sell them. But does anyone really wear them? And if so, will you admit it? Or do you know anyone who wears them? It is a common "stereotype" of people who frequent boards like this but I've never seen anyone on this or other similar sites seriously discussing their experiences with wearing such hats. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 550078 United States 03/13/2009 05:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | you will need the tin foil hat once the sun goes blooey and douses the earth in crazy x-ray juiced up photons - OH WAIT tin foil won't do shit against that!!! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 310466it worked to keep the radiation out of the appollo spacecraft when it was on it's way tot he moon |
The Psychedelic Magi User ID: 611217 United States 03/13/2009 05:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Preferably they wrap it tightly around the nose and mouth. Quoting: TunafishSammichesI WILL NOT let consequences dictate my course of action! A.K.A - Aresh, Awakened Me, An Ominous Coward (Howard), The Goddess Pandora, Aumon Haht Fith Ashai, Within The Flower and a few others... ------------------------------------ In all things, i am flowing back thru and in and out, within and without and beyond them. This is the Cosm. This is both I and You. I am the Truth, and I am the Lie - I am the very spark of the Divine! ------------------ as soon as you even go near these things your ego knows what it is.. its all like "what ya gonna do with that?" "Hope you not gonna take it" "cause i will throw myself down on the floor and scratch, claw and bite and tantrum" - Kyuubi "the gift of love makes much more sense than frankincense gold and myrhh" - Only Me |
falldown User ID: 520470 United States 03/13/2009 06:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | you will need the tin foil hat once the sun goes blooey and douses the earth in crazy x-ray juiced up photons - OH WAIT tin foil won't do shit against that!!! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 310466No, but if you wrap yourself up tightly in it, when the aliens land, they'll have nicely cooked meals wrapped and ready to go! :cannibal: ~ ~ "He who does not understand your silence will probably not understand your words." ~Elbert Hubbard |
Kanigo2 User ID: 442313 United States 03/13/2009 06:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I stopped wearing them years ago.. :Tinfoilkit: Bow to Zuul. :OnlyZuul: Alt+F4 Allows GodLikeProductions User to Check Current score in Thread Dialog. "GLP has some batty shit, but yours takes the fucking biscuit "-Disputed- Hurray for Anarchy! This is the happiest moment of my life. |
DaJavoo User ID: 633975 United Arab Emirates 03/13/2009 06:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | An older technician (prolly well retired by now) I used to know wore his ball cap with a tin foil insert. One of the smartest guys I ever met ~ just had this little woo-woo thing goin' on ~ He was NEVER without his ball cap ~ prolly even sleeps with it. :DJrebelli: |
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