Positive vs. Negative Thinking

Ah... it's called the Placebo effect.

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Does that answer your questions?

Dear FAR! Giving a nice Latin name (like Placebo-effect)to something does not mean that we have solved the problem of "WTF is this?"

Dear OP! Staying with your example, the person's negative mental emotional state causes decline in their life energy field, (you can call it aura, if you like)which in turn weaken their immune system, and makes them more susceptible to any illnesses. If the bacteria is around, their body (and soul) cannot defend themselves, so the fall ill.

It explains what it is but does not explain why it works. A person experiencing positive emotions and then having a reduction in symptoms is perplexing. I fail to see the logic in it.

Perhaps the positive emotions release endorphins thus reducing the pain. With the pain reduced, the illusion of recovery is then experienced? However, should this not be temporary as the neurological/biochemical effect wears off and thus the true state of the patient's actual physical state re-emerge?

I find it a bit preposterous to make claims about "life energy fields" or "souls" and the like without any concrete proof of their actual existence. We have physical proof of bacteria, virii and even sub-atomic particles but no physiological proof of the existence of a "soul".

The truth is objective whether everyone believes in it or if no one believes in it. The fact that a majority of people purport to believe in a "soul" or similar entity does not make it so. Show me a soul captured in laboratory conditions and properly analyzed to ascertain its veracity and I will believe as there will then exist some proof that it actually does indeed exist, as purported.

That's known as electromagnetic theories of consciousness.

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My guess is that, if you tell the mind what to do, it will do it, though not always verbal, but both physical methods and what not.

You want to know how?

So do we.

Go research that subject.

Biological substrates of the placebo response

A placebo response can amplify, diminish, nullify, reverse, or even divert the action of an active drug, and the study of placebo responses is essentially the study of the psychosocial construct surrounding a patient. (Koshi & Short 2007) Because a placebo response is just as significant in the case of an active drug as it is in the case of an inert dummy drug, the more that we can discover about the mechanisms that produce placebo responses, the more we can enhance their effectiveness and convert their potential efficacy into actual relief, healing and cure.

Recent research[8] strongly indicates that a placebo response is a complex psychobiological phenomenon, contingent upon the psychosocial context of the subject, that may be due to a wide range of neurobiological mechanisms, with the specific response mechanism differing from circumstance to circumstance. The very existence of these "placebo responses" strongly suggest that "we must broaden our conception of the limits of endogenous human control" (Benedetti et al. 2005, p.10390); and, in recent times, researchers in a number of different areas have demonstrated the presence of biological substrates, unique brain processes, and neurological correlates for the "placebo response":
2001: de la Fuente-Fernández and colleagues reported their PET scan findings on test subjects with Parkinson's disease.
2002: Petrovic and colleagues reported their PET scan findings on test subjects in a trial of opioid analgesia.
2002: Mayberg and colleagues reported their PET scan findings on test subjects with unipolar depression.
2004: Wager and colleagues reported their fMRI scan findings on test subjects in a trial of placebo analgesia.
2004: Lieberman and colleagues reported their PET scan findings on test subjects with Irritable bowel syndrome.
2006: Bingel and colleagues reported their fMRI scan findings on test subjects in a trial of placebo analgesia.
2006: Zubieta and colleagues reported their PET scan findings on test subjects in a trial of placebo analgesia.
2006: Sarinopoulos and colleagues reported their fMRI scan findings on test subjects in a trial neural responses to a highly aversive bitter taste.

A complex fMRI-centred study by McClure et al. (2004) on the brain responses of subjects who had previously expressed a preference for one or other of the similar soft drinks Pepsi and Coca-Cola, demonstrated that "brand information", which "significantly influences subjects’ expressed preferences", is processed in an entirely different brain area from the area activated in blind taste tests (when their "preferences are determined solely from sensory information").(McClure et al. 2004, p.385) This supports the claim that there are unconscious brain processes that activate the "placebo response".

There is proof: go to someone you love:(girlfriend, boyfriend even your dog:-) take his/her hands with one hand; close your eyes. What do you feel in your hand? That is the energy field.
Here is a link to learn to see it:

 [link to www.thiaoouba.com] 

Some responses:

What do you mean vibrations? I have never experienced such nonsense!

As for your stated opinion that pondering over contingency plans cause negative results, I find what you posted in that regard illogical. Should not the pondering refine the planning making it stronger. However, if one were to lose sleep over it, intellectual capacity could be reduced in the long-term due to sleep deprivation. Execution of the plans made could also suffer as a result.

While I am unable to act completely on reason and extricate all emotions and subjective thinking from my life, I understand that it is part of our DNA and we are stuck with it as a result.

As for intuition and imagination, I could not say that they are completely missing. However, I do believe my intuition and imagination to be far below the average based on the descriptions provided by other persons. This seems, in retrospect, to have indeed caused some detriment in my life as many persons seem to value intuitiveness as a desired character trait.

You've never experienced sound vibrations? You've never experienced waves of light?


All I can say, is that you're using the belief you understand logic, and applying your understanding on things which are unknown. This is highly illogical.

But at least you understand what you don't have, that's a good thing.

Two things for last before I go to sleep:

1.Use sometimes your own mind to think, instead of relying on others.
2. Try to open up yourself to the fact that "exact, pure science" does not exist. You can prove something, and next day someone can prove the opposite of it.

Homework for FAR for tomorrow:
It is a known fact, that the angles in a triangle are equal to 180 degrees, we know it for almost 2000 years since Euclides. Or maybe it is not true? Think about it.

OP has Asperger's Syndrome. Has no real social drive or ability to connect with others. will never know or be capable of things like Romantic Love until there is a cure. Will only post philosophical threads.

Also, the OP's post is correct positive negative things memes are almost all frauds.

He who seeks, let him not cease seeking until he finds; and when he finds he will be troubled, and if he is troubled, he will be amazed, and he will reign over the All.


Elucidation:
You must first break away from the herd, from all things you have considered normal, understanding that all you have learned in your life only served self-interest and group-interest; that so far your life, driven by vanity and selfishness, has been a mistake, and that you did not live as you might have. You must see that your character has been a learned behavior, until you have redeemed your last penny and stand completely naked. Then you will be granted the last step, from despair to rest. Then you will be able to see clearly. It is then that you will understand you are only man. At that moment, you will see everywhere around you people acting out their play, adorned with the masks of their character, occupation, religion and other group masks, and initially you cannot imagine that they cannot see this. It disturbs you when you realize you know more than all the great men of earth, because such knowledge is not needed. If you know yourself, you realize you only need knowledge in order to live in society, and that you must refute that same knowledge in order to live free from the world system. But, you understand everything!

Do not believe the words of your spiritual leaders. They tell you heaven is the reward and hell is the punishment after death. The true hell is the world of the dead, the unconscious, the sleeping here on earth. Heaven is the state of the awakened. When you know yourself, you feel a part of the entire creation and all people. When "Jesus" talks of the Kingdom and the Father, he tries to catch the unspeakable in a metaphor. About that which you cannot speak, you must pass over in silence. It is useless to talk of the unspeakable goal; it is enough to show the way. If you do not know yourself, you lead a miserable life; perhaps rich to the world, but poor for your Self.

A small child of 7 days is still open-minded, not yet saddled with the weight of culture. It does not play a role and is itself. It has neither fake needs nor property. It does not know past nor future, frights, problems nor anxieties. It lives in the present and is neither male nor female in behavior. It does not have the schizoid character and spuriousness of an adult. Therefore, if you want to live a real life you must be as a child once again.

You will understand everything when you know yourself. If you understand your inner world, you understand the outer world. Men say they know themselves with all their faults and shortcomings. If you know your faults, why do you continue to commit them, and why do you accept your shortcomings? When you conform to society, you do an injustice to yourself and sin against yourself. What is good for nature is wrong for culture, and what is good for culture is wrong for nature.

By fasting, praying and giving alms, no man has ever become more human. These things belong to a life in society. By fasting, you do not do yourself justice. You only pray to a god if you do not realize that you are god yourself. You can only give alms if you posses property, and property is theft from community.

Man is the crown of creation. Literally it means that if a lion devours you it is an upgrade for the lion to be admitted into man, but is a degradation if man is admitted into the lion. Figuratively, it means that man should devour culture and leave nothing. For, if culture devours man, he is not doing well.

Of everything man possesses, his true nature is the only thing of value. The rest is rubbish to be discarded.

Only when the lessons of the master find a good breeding ground will they bring forth fruit and plenty. Civilized people have entrenched themselves in their stubbornness and are deaf to the voice of their common sense. They have confused their common sense with their own laws and rules and therefore are always in conflict with themselves.

"Jesus" was convinced that his message would eventually be understood and would spread like wildfire across the world, leaving a track of awakened ones. He understood that the men in power would resist to the utmost. He envisioned that culture and falsehood would go up in flames and he expected man to choose en masse for a simple and righteous life. Unfortunately, power continues to prevail over love. However, power is never brought to an end by power. The eternal law is that power is overcome by love.

He proclaims the eternal truth that man is man, no matter what he considers himself to be and no matter what unnatural behavior he shows. Man is doomed to be happy notwithstanding his efforts to resist and he can only return to himself. The degenerated man does not really live and once awakened can never fall asleep again. What is it you are to do when you have reached enlightenment? As a small child you were whole; by adapting to society your life has become split and full of contradictions. Between character and nature, between your inside and your outside, between your mask and your true face. What will you choose?

Do not depend on the master. Everybody has his inner master, the voice of his conscience. The true master is the master that tells you to listen to yourself. He who will listen to himself unconditionally will become like the master. Every man can become wise and you are either wise or foolish, there is nothing between. He who is at a depth of one yard will drown just as the one who is at a depth of 500 fathoms. He who surpasses it can "walk on water".

Fasting is against nature, praying requires a personal god and giving alms is only possible because of inequality between people. If you return to the people, participate in their play again and do not worry about that which you will eat. Whatever you may or may not eat and what is healthy or not is only determined by people. If you are a whole man, you can eat everything. You will not get ill from wrong food but from what you utter. Because what comes from your mouth comes from your thoughts: dishonesty, annoyance, hatred, greed, egoism, jealousy, eagerness, viciousness, unrighteousness, ruse and deceit. This is what makes man ill. If nothing that enters the mouth makes ill, nothing that enters will cure as well. Medicines, vitamins and healthy food are for the sleeping ones. Cure the sick by showing them the way to wholeness and simplicity. The living do not turn ill, because there is no need for warnings to show them they have left the right track. Do not cure the body, that is in vain, but cure the soul and the body follows automatically. After all, a healthy spirit lives in a healthy body.

positive energy vs negative energy

Giving a nice Latin name (like electromagnetic theories of consciousness)to something does not mean that we have solved the problem of "WTF is this?"

I believe when we have a pole shift or the magnetic forcefield really weakens to 0 point, it will effect our conciousness. This will be the LAST Great Warning.

Electromagnetic theories of consciousness is latin???

yes

Yes.
Electro-: from Latin electrum, amber.]
Magnet: from Latin magnes
Theory: from Latin theoria
Consciousness: From Latin conscius

(American Heritage Dictionary)

It's pretty logical why they suggest "staying" positive etc.. Basically it boils down to stress levels and the inherent metabolic changes that one undergoes in a stressful situation. The bodies ph can swing from alkaline to acidic and in the case of cancer it's not a good thing. Positive thinking is beneficial and does have its merits.

English is latin???

yes English is Latin, German, Greek, French, Arabic, and a whole plethora of gibberish

One hell of a compound language.

Realistic thinking works best of all.

feeler type have a hard time with objective or subjective criticism.. they invented that old saying "mean people are bad" along with all the other catch phrases in an attempt to derail any sort of criticism that goes outside their conventional ways of thinking.

This is the most popular way of controlling people today.

most of the science and technology English is of Latin origin. They also borrowed some of it from ancient Greeks, ancient Arabians and who knows where more.

Positive/Negative thinking effects you physically...

pessimists are usually more prone to ulcers and other stress related illnesses, while optimists CAN and HAVE extended their lives when faced with cancer.