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Fantastic article that hits the point precisely!

Author Lament’s today’s emasculated male
By David Yount
Scripps Howard News Service

According to Genesis, God made woman by borrowing Adam’s rib. A new book contends that women, in an attempt to gain equality between the sexes, have stolen men’s spines.
In “Save The Males: Why Men Matter, Why Women Should Care,” conservative commentator Kathleen Parker complains that over the past 30 years we have created “a culture that is hostile toward males, contemptuous of masculinity and cynical about the delightful differences that make men irresistible.
In film and music, men are variously portrayed as dolts, bullies, brutes, deadbeats, rapists, sexual predators and wife-beaters.” In sitcoms, family men “are invariably cast, at best, as bubbling, dim-witted fools.”
Parker, who raised three boys and was a Cub Scout den mother, acknowledges herself to be “an unlikely champion of males.”
She warns that ridiculing men leads to shrinking the importance of fatherhood. At the same time, “by elevating single motherhood from an unfortunate consequence of poor planning to a sophisticated act of self-fulfillment, we have helped fashion a world in which fathers are not just scarce but in which men are superfluous.”
“When masculinity is not valued”, Parker warns, “there is little incentive for boys to grow up.”
“By indulging every appetite instead of recognizing the importance of self-control and commitment, …young men encounter little resistance against continuing to celebrate juvenile pursuits, losing themselves in video games and mindless, “guy-oriented’ TV fare – and casual sex.”
“As long as men feel marginalized by the women whose favors and approval they seek, as long as they are alienated from their children and treated as criminals by family courts, as long as they are disrespected by a culture that no longer values masculinity tied to honor, and as long as boys are bereft of strong fathers and our young men and women wage sexual war, then we risk cultural suicide.” Parker concludes.
anything after 'but' is bullshit!

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Yesterday there was a discussion about the damages of women's lib....

this article makes the point I couldn't. Men are INCREDIBLY neccessary, we are just forcing them to forget why.

I don't want to see a world where the genderliness are so blur there is no more distinction or importance to each other.
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Men as not genetically made to be fathers in monogomous relationships in the way tradition implies. Like most members of the animal kingdom, a male's primary purpose is to spread as much of their gooey genetic seed around the world as they can. The rest just comes down to territorial actions that always lead back to trying to establish higher standings in the pack - which of course leads to more female pun tang.

One could take a different approach and say that this cultural shift is a result of men breaking away from the religious based stereotype of being a provider and more towards a true male existence.
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Oh, for fucks sake, nobody is forcing anyone to abandon their manhood. Some people look for any reason to not grow up and do the right thing.
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There are quite a few species on this planet that stay in monogomous relationships where the father takes a very active and important role....why should man be different?

Men ARE engineered to be fathers...mankind is engineered to BE the superior species on this planet and therefore has incredible range of behavior and committment abilities.

I think it's weakness to use our sexual appetites as an excuse to be man-whores or sluts and to excuse off any responsibility as a result of this behavior!
anything after 'but' is bullshit!

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are you trying to say you need a good man sireen??
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are you trying to say you need a good man sireen??
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chuckle No way...I got me a good man!!!! He's one of the last of a dieing (or is it dying?) breed I believe.
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are you trying to say you need a good man sireen??



chuckle No way...I got me a good man!!!! He's one of the last of a dieing (or is it dying?) breed I believe.
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That is so close to a set up joke.....

I'll pass...
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There are quite a few species on this planet that stay in monogomous relationships where the father takes a very active and important role....why should man be different?

Men ARE engineered to be fathers...mankind is engineered to BE the superior species on this planet and therefore has incredible range of behavior and committment abilities.

I think it's weakness to use our sexual appetites as an excuse to be man-whores or sluts and to excuse off any responsibility as a result of this behavior!
 Quoting: Sireen-reborn
This is true,but you don't see too many monogamous primates in fact I don't think there are any. Ooops ok there are a few. Prosimian- at least one species of tarsier.
New world monkey- titi monkey, night monkey, callitrichids.
Old world monkey- langur/mentawi island leaf monkey.
Ape- Gibbon. But here is how it breaks down. Birds- 90% monogamous.
Mammals- under 5% monogamous
Primates- 37/200=~18% monogamous.
(Traditional human societies are about 20% monogamous.)
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In film and music, men are variously portrayed as dolts, bullies, brutes, deadbeats, rapists, sexual predators and wife-beaters.” In sitcoms, family men “are invariably cast, at best, as bubbling, dim-witted fools.”
Parker, who raised three boys and was a Cub Scout den mother, acknowledges herself to be “an unlikely champion of males.”

She warns that ridiculing men leads to shrinking the importance of fatherhood. At the same time, “by elevating single motherhood from an unfortunate consequence of poor planning to a sophisticated act of self-fulfillment, we have helped fashion a world in which fathers are not just scarce but in which men are superfluous.”

“When masculinity is not valued”, Parker warns, “there is little incentive for boys to grow up.”

 Quoting: Sireen-reborn

And these kinds of books perpetuate the idea. I will comment on the above three points.

Film and music does the same thing to women. Ditzy, drunk, irresponsible, materialistic, foolish, cheaters, liars, whores, toys; women are displayed as this and much worse.

The traditional family also diminished the importance of fatherhood. Fathers were virtually uninvolved in the "family". They worked, came home, ate, slept, and did it all over again. Fathers were not loving, nurturing, instructing or sharing the responsibility of raising children. If men showed and interest in being fathers, I doubt that any woman would turn them down.

Please, cry me a river about masculinity not being valued. That is bull shit. There is an entire culture of sports, hunting, etc. set up to glorify masculinity. Femininity on the other hand is not valued and has not been. Being feminine is shown as weak, not educated, silly, irresponsible therefore there is little incentive for women to be feminine.

Society does the same thing to both sexes. When you post one sided shit like this, it only perpetuates it.
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That article is shite.

Many of the men on this site are over-masculated -- they think that the only protest they have to stop of all this girly "compassion" and "caring" stuff is by massaging their guns and hardening their hearts.

Many of the women think they need to become like men to survive in today's environment. When in a den of rats you fight to survive.

But masculinity is what created the den of rats, it created capitalism and competition for survival. Instead of moving towards a more compassionate future they are abandoning their posts. Women were the last vestiges of hope for emotion and nurturing and they are walking away from their duties to the earth.

Hence, what that psycho savethemales guy calls the emasculated male. We need this. It is a natural balancing function.

We must return to compassion at all costs or we will die fighting for survival.

Imagine you crash landed on an island with a plane full of strangers. You would work together to survive would you not? And if you didn't, you wouldn't have the time to do all the things you needed to survive - build a shelter, find sticks for the fire, cook, hunt, give medical attention. We divide the tasks amongst the living and share our resources.

Well earth is that island. We are all the survivors of the crash and we need to fucking work together or we will die here.
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There are quite a few species on this planet that stay in monogomous relationships where the father takes a very active and important role....why should man be different?

Men ARE engineered to be fathers...mankind is engineered to BE the superior species on this planet and therefore has incredible range of behavior and committment abilities.

I think it's weakness to use our sexual appetites as an excuse to be man-whores or sluts and to excuse off any responsibility as a result of this behavior!
This is true,but you don't see too many monogamous primates in fact I don't think there are any.
 Quoting: WaitingForTheMiracle



There are a lot of differences between mankind and primates...we can't just pick and choose what we want to blame on evolution and what we want to adopt from it.
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chuckle No way...I got me a good man!!!! He's one of the last of a dieing (or is it dying?) breed I believe.
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There are lots of good men out there. I can assure you he is not the last and it is not a dying breed.
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In film and music, men are variously portrayed as dolts, bullies, brutes, deadbeats, rapists, sexual predators and wife-beaters.” In sitcoms, family men “are invariably cast, at best, as bubbling, dim-witted fools.”
Parker, who raised three boys and was a Cub Scout den mother, acknowledges herself to be “an unlikely champion of males.”

She warns that ridiculing men leads to shrinking the importance of fatherhood. At the same time, “by elevating single motherhood from an unfortunate consequence of poor planning to a sophisticated act of self-fulfillment, we have helped fashion a world in which fathers are not just scarce but in which men are superfluous.”

“When masculinity is not valued”, Parker warns, “there is little incentive for boys to grow up.”


And these kinds of books perpetuate the idea. I will comment on the above three points.

Film and music does the same thing to women. Ditzy, drunk, irresponsible, materialistic, foolish, cheaters, liars, whores, toys; women are displayed as this and much worse.

The traditional family also diminished the importance of fatherhood. Fathers were virtually uninvolved in the "family". They worked, came home, ate, slept, and did it all over again. Fathers were not loving, nurturing, instructing or sharing the responsibility of raising children. If men showed and interest in being fathers, I doubt that any woman would turn them down.

Please, cry me a river about masculinity not being valued. That is bull shit. There is an entire culture of sports, hunting, etc. set up to glorify masculinity. Femininity on the other hand is not valued and has not been. Being feminine is shown as weak, not educated, silly, irresponsible therefore there is little incentive for women to be feminine.

Society does the same thing to both sexes. When you post one sided shit like this, it only perpetuates it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 284011


See that's just it.....again how do we really KNOW what fathers were like before our generations? There were PLENTY of men who took their responsibilities as providers and fathers very seriously and LOVED their children...taught their children, etc. It's not about showing the kids with hugs and kisses and wishing their booboos good-bye...that's what the mothers are for...it's about teaching them responsibility, teaching them survival, being there to show them what it takes to be a man.
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..mankind is engineered to BE the superior species on this planet
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284011, well said. Females have been getting marginalized for millenia. Men get a little taste of it, and all the sudden it's wrong, bad, horrible, unjust.
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There are quite a few species on this planet that stay in monogomous relationships where the father takes a very active and important role....why should man be different?

Men ARE engineered to be fathers...mankind is engineered to BE the superior species on this planet and therefore has incredible range of behavior and committment abilities.

I think it's weakness to use our sexual appetites as an excuse to be man-whores or sluts and to excuse off any responsibility as a result of this behavior!
This is true,but you don't see too many monogamous primates in fact I don't think there are any.



There are a lot of differences between mankind and primates...we can't just pick and choose what we want to blame on evolution and what we want to adopt from it.
 Quoting: Sireen-reborn

I would agree with you but with what I see everyday it is pretty darn plain we are just monkeys.
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Men as not genetically made to be fathers in monogomous relationships in the way tradition implies. Like most members of the animal kingdom, a male's primary purpose is to spread as much of their gooey genetic seed around the world as they can. The rest just comes down to territorial actions that always lead back to trying to establish higher standings in the pack - which of course leads to more female pun tang.

One could take a different approach and say that this cultural shift is a result of men breaking away from the religious based stereotype of being a provider and more towards a true male existence.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 296738


Not true. The human offspring takes the longest to reach adulthood and needs the most resources to raise. Therefore, a human child needs both parents who are fully invested in his/her well being. If a man strays, it would cause all sorts of problems threatening the stability of the family and diminishing the childrens' chances for survival. The comparison to animals and even primates doesn't fly since we are not animals. I don't think females from the non-monogamous species would be too upset if the male who fathered their offspring mates with other females. Human females, however, are programmed to feel hurt and even devastated if their partner cheats. So, why would these feelings even exist if we were designed to screw everything that moves?
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Yesterday there was a discussion about the damages of women's lib....

this article makes the point I couldn't. Men are INCREDIBLY neccessary, we are just forcing them to forget why.

I don't want to see a world where the genderliness are so blur there is no more distinction or importance to each other.
 Quoting: Sireen-reborn


I agree Sireen.
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Be careful what you wish for.

Remember "Men need to get in touch with their feelings!"?
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There are a lot of differences between mankind and primates...we can't just pick and choose what we want to blame on evolution and what we want to adopt from it.
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We're 98% monkeys.

Look, in a man's perfect world I would walk up to you, bend you over, have my way and move on. As much as pretend to like otherwise - this is how we would prefer it.

In a woman's perfect world, one man will walk up to you, give you money, give you gifts, give you shelter, protect you with our life, sign some paper saying that if they leave you they owe you 50% of what they have, wipe the baby's ass, do *ugh father things with the annoying little pukes and die miserable.

The world was WAY too biased to the woman's perfect world before. Time to create a little balance.
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Not true. The human offspring takes the longest to reach adulthood and needs the most resources to raise. Therefore, a human child needs both parents who are fully invested in his/her well being. If a man strays, it would cause all sorts of problems threatening the stability of the family and diminishing the childrens' chances for survival. The comparison to animals and even primates doesn't fly since we are not animals. I don't think females from the non-monogamous species would be too upset if the male who fathered their offspring mates with other females. Human females, however, are programmed to feel hurt and even devastated if their partner cheats. So, why would these feelings even exist if we were designed to screw everything that moves?
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A female is equipmed to do the job. The issues that arise due to single parenting is envy of those with 2 parents. If EVERYONE had only their mother - development towards adulthood would not affected by the lack of stability.
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Since I see the absolute worst in humanity everyday,and have a very skewed view of the learned behaviors that constitute the idea of a relationship I am backing out of this thread.No need to stir an empty pot.
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There are a lot of differences between mankind and primates...we can't just pick and choose what we want to blame on evolution and what we want to adopt from it.


We're 98% monkeys.

Look, in a man's perfect world I would walk up to you, bend you over, have my way and move on. As much as pretend to like otherwise - this is how we would prefer it.

In a woman's perfect world, one man will walk up to you, give you money, give you gifts, give you shelter, protect you with our life, sign some paper saying that if they leave you they owe you 50% of what they have, wipe the baby's ass, do *ugh father things with the annoying little pukes and die miserable.

The world was WAY too biased to the woman's perfect world before. Time to create a little balance.
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Wow, really? You wouldn't give a damn about the kids you created? Or how the woman would survive on her own raising them? Cause that would most likely mean dying miserable for her too. Great guy you are.
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See that's just it.....again how do we really KNOW what fathers were like before our generations? There were PLENTY of men who took their responsibilities as providers and fathers very seriously and LOVED their children...taught their children, etc. It's not about showing the kids with hugs and kisses and wishing their booboos good-bye...that's what the mothers are for...it's about teaching them responsibility, teaching them survival, being there to show them what it takes to be a man.
 Quoting: Sireen-reborn

I'm guessing from listening to generations before us. Don't argue that. That was what "men" were taught to be. Sure, there were fathers who were different but they were not the societal "norm". I know personally because I had a father just like that. I come from a religious family like you do. And I know that if my father had been a more compassionate, loving example of what a real man should be, it would have saved me alot of time that was wasted on trashy men.

Why are mothers there for hugs and kisses and booboos? I'm not affectionate. I'm not that kind of person. Why should my husband become the quintessential, responsible, survivalist male when he is more affectionate? Why should we reverse roles for societies ideas of who should be what? Why can't we just be ourselves and appreciate that?

Blah blah blah, what it takes to be a man? It doesn't take anything. It takes genitals. I fail to see how a mother would not be involved in teaching children responsiblity and survival. I fail to see how it is important for the mother to be one thing and the father to be another. People have different strengths and weaknesses and it's not based on your gender.
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There are a lot of differences between mankind and primates...we can't just pick and choose what we want to blame on evolution and what we want to adopt from it.


We're 98% monkeys.

Look, in a man's perfect world I would walk up to you, bend you over, have my way and move on. As much as pretend to like otherwise - this is how we would prefer it.

In a woman's perfect world, one man will walk up to you, give you money, give you gifts, give you shelter, protect you with our life, sign some paper saying that if they leave you they owe you 50% of what they have, wipe the baby's ass, do *ugh father things with the annoying little pukes and die miserable.

The world was WAY too biased to the woman's perfect world before. Time to create a little balance.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 296738


God yes.

Can any woman honestly be surprised that we dont want to get married these days? I dont think it's really a matter of "growing up" either, our fathers and grandfathers didn't do any of the shit "expected" from todays male and they were regarded as noble?

Holy shit give me a break! hahah
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284011, well said. Females have been getting marginalized for millenia. Men get a little taste of it, and all the sudden it's wrong, bad, horrible, unjust.
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I know. These women who try to pity them annoy the hell out of me. They fail to see that it is truly a way of controlling men and keeping them down.
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Not true. The human offspring takes the longest to reach adulthood and needs the most resources to raise. Therefore, a human child needs both parents who are fully invested in his/her well being. If a man strays, it would cause all sorts of problems threatening the stability of the family and diminishing the childrens' chances for survival. The comparison to animals and even primates doesn't fly since we are not animals. I don't think females from the non-monogamous species would be too upset if the male who fathered their offspring mates with other females. Human females, however, are programmed to feel hurt and even devastated if their partner cheats. So, why would these feelings even exist if we were designed to screw everything that moves?


A female is equipmed to do the job. The issues that arise due to single parenting is envy of those with 2 parents. If EVERYONE had only their mother - development towards adulthood would not affected by the lack of stability.
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Are you totally NUTS??? You don't have a clue what you're talking about. My sister and I were raised by only my mother since my parents divorced when I was very young and my father didn't contribute much. It was a constant struggle and my mother was very unhappy and stressed, taking it out on us. When I was a kid I was often fantasizing and dreaming about having TWO loving parents and I was jealous of my classmates who were in that situation. You are an ignorant moron who has NO idea how it is to not have a father. MORON.
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I don't want to see a world where the genderliness are so blur there is no more distinction or importance to each other.
 Quoting: Sireen-reborn

Blurring gender lines does not cause us to be unimportant to each other. Irrelevance will. Gender roles cause people to be able to fall into a comfortable momentum without ever actually getting to the heart of who each person truly is. I think that is negative and damaging to a relationship.
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In a woman's perfect world, one man will walk up to you, give you money, give you gifts, give you shelter, protect you with our life, sign some paper saying that if they leave you they owe you 50% of what they have, wipe the baby's ass, do *ugh father things with the annoying little pukes and die miserable.
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You should get out more.
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There are a lot of differences between mankind and primates...we can't just pick and choose what we want to blame on evolution and what we want to adopt from it.


We're 98% monkeys.

Look, in a man's perfect world I would walk up to you, bend you over, have my way and move on. As much as pretend to like otherwise - this is how we would prefer it.

In a woman's perfect world, one man will walk up to you, give you money, give you gifts, give you shelter, protect you with our life, sign some paper saying that if they leave you they owe you 50% of what they have, wipe the baby's ass, do *ugh father things with the annoying little pukes and die miserable.

The world was WAY too biased to the woman's perfect world before. Time to create a little balance.


God yes.

Can any woman honestly be surprised that we dont want to get married these days? I dont think it's really a matter of "growing up" either, our fathers and grandfathers didn't do any of the shit "expected" from todays male and they were regarded as noble?

Holy shit give me a break! hahah
 Quoting: Concerned Reader 201486


Yes, I think my grandfather was an honorable man. Is it more 'noble' to spend your entire life fucking around, fuck around and not take any responsibility, and basically live like a dog? At least my grandfather died with a loving wife at his side, and he told her if he had to do it again, he would and would have married her again. You, on the other hand, might expire in a nursing home or in an apartment all by yourself like that 41-yr-old New York City man-child who had tons of "friends" and yet it took over a week before the super discovered his decomposing body. Great life, no?





GLP