Today's emasculated male!

Sadly - too many children are (& have been) raised in a single parent household. I know grown men - who have never had a dad. So, now they are trying to figure out - how to be a dad, when they were never given an example. And vice-versa - I'm sure. (Girls w/o moms.)

Call me old fashioned - but I think having a mom and dad (who get along) around on a daily basis is good for children.

Personally, I love it when my man opens the doors for me, carries the heavy groceries, takes out the garbage and tells me how beautiful I am....

and I equally love doing the dishes for him, cooking him good meals, massaging his back after a hard days work, and cleaning his home.

He's outside building a shed and me a greenhouse, laboring with the lumber, hammering nails and balancing on ladders all day to provide me a way to feed the family....

I'm inside cleaning the house, cooking him a good dinner and bringing him ice water to keep him hydrated.....

When we're out and about...I feel safe with him...because his attitude and affection for me will not allow harm to come my way without going through him first...

and me...I love it when we home alone, my touch, my lips and my words can melt him into a puddle of playdoh!

THIS is the gender role differences every child needs to be exposed too! THIS is what it's all about, where the balance comes in.

I wasn't saying IT was gender specific, I was giving an example of a potentially challenging job where people work a lot of hours. I was also saying that such challenging jobs are opportunities for men to take the harder job to make the job of the woman in maintaining the house-hold easier.


K. I'll give you that that you don't think it gender specific, but my alternate point stands. Both men and women do the job and the long hours. I know a number of both personally. men CAN take over the intellectual challenge, but women CAN easily take it too. Just outa curiosity... why should a woman be relegated to the house with the "intellectually easier" job or full time child rearing, cooking, cleaning, running errands, paying bills, juggling the house-hold budget, acting as taxi to kids, etc... when she's perfectly capable of the "intellectually harder" tasks? Please do not ignore my earlier point of once the womans job of producing milk for an infant is complete, either man or woman can be the in-home person. My main point being, why is the woman the only or main nurturing home care provider rather than being the main bread winner? Why is this not feminine? and a man caring for kids not masculine? Your point about long hours at an intellectually challenging job being a masculine thing is sorta confusing. A reverse point at an intellectual challenge is child-rearing, challenging in a very different way, but intellectual none the less.

LOL! I wasn't the one who brought up looking to nature as an example and implying animals!


No, I did. It doesn't hurt to look at the bigger picture and if you don't then you are stuck in your little box and need to get out of it to be able to connect the dots.

And, the human being is an animal species.

<snip> as long as they are alienated from their children and treated as criminals by family courts, as long as they are disrespected by a culture that no longer values masculinity tied to honor, and as long as boys are bereft of strong fathers and our young men and women wage sexual war, then we risk cultural suicide.” Parker concludes.

Personally, I love it when my man opens the doors for me, carries the heavy groceries, takes out the garbage and tells me how beautiful I am....

and I equally love doing the dishes for him, cooking him good meals, massaging his back after a hard days work, and cleaning his home.

He's outside building a shed and me a greenhouse, laboring with the lumber, hammering nails and balancing on ladders all day to provide me a way to feed the family....

I'm inside cleaning the house, cooking him a good dinner and bringing him ice water to keep him hydrated.....

When we're out and about...I feel safe with him...because his attitude and affection for me will not allow harm to come my way without going through him first...

and me...I love it when we home alone, my touch, my lips and my words can melt him into a puddle of playdoh!

THIS is the gender role differences every child needs to be exposed too! THIS is what it's all about, where the balance comes in.


That's fine for you, if you are happy. But you do not speak for all women. Personally, I love to do yard work, shovel snow, wash cars, etc. I do cook, but I absolutely hate washing dishes, cleaning the bathroom, and ironing clothes. So, when I get married, I would expect the latter chores to be at least 50/50. Any chore neither of us likes will be 50/50 or we will both pay someone else to do it.

We are all individuals with a right to be happy. As long as the couple is happy, who cares what anyone else thinks.

Great post! Nothing beats a two gendered parenting team - but even single parents should be true to their gender.


Sadly - too many children are (& have been) raised in a single parent household. I know grown men - who have never had a dad. So, now they are trying to figure out - how to be a dad, when they were never given an example. And vice-versa - I'm sure. (Girls w/o moms.)

Call me old fashioned - but I think having a mom and dad (who get along) around on a daily basis is good for children.

Personally, I love it when my man opens the doors for me, carries the heavy groceries, takes out the garbage and tells me how beautiful I am....

and I equally love doing the dishes for him, cooking him good meals, massaging his back after a hard days work, and cleaning his home.

He's outside building a shed and me a greenhouse, laboring with the lumber, hammering nails and balancing on ladders all day to provide me a way to feed the family....

I'm inside cleaning the house, cooking him a good dinner and bringing him ice water to keep him hydrated.....

When we're out and about...I feel safe with him...because his attitude and affection for me will not allow harm to come my way without going through him first...

and me...I love it when we home alone, my touch, my lips and my words can melt him into a puddle of playdoh!

THIS is the gender role differences every child needs to be exposed too! THIS is what it's all about, where the balance comes in.


That's fine for you, if you are happy. But you do not speak for all women. Personally, I love to do yard work, shovel snow, wash cars, etc. I do cook, but I absolutely hate washing dishes, cleaning the bathroom, and ironing clothes. So, when I get married, I would expect the latter chores to be at least 50/50. Any chore neither of us likes will be 50/50 or we will both pay someone else to do it.

We are all individuals with a right to be happy. As long as the couple is happy, who cares what anyone else thinks.

Some men are happy to be emasculated, that does not mean it is good for the society as a whole.
If you would like a man that will wash dishes, clean the bathroom and iron clothes, you will find many such men.
None of the tasks you listed are challenging either physically or intellectually.
Not caring what other people think is ignorance.

Personally, I love it when my man opens the doors for me, carries the heavy groceries, takes out the garbage and tells me how beautiful I am....

and I equally love doing the dishes for him, cooking him good meals, massaging his back after a hard days work, and cleaning his home.

He's outside building a shed and me a greenhouse, laboring with the lumber, hammering nails and balancing on ladders all day to provide me a way to feed the family....

I'm inside cleaning the house, cooking him a good dinner and bringing him ice water to keep him hydrated.....

When we're out and about...I feel safe with him...because his attitude and affection for me will not allow harm to come my way without going through him first...

and me...I love it when we home alone, my touch, my lips and my words can melt him into a puddle of playdoh!

THIS is the gender role differences every child needs to be exposed too! THIS is what it's all about, where the balance comes in.


That's fine for you, if you are happy. But you do not speak for all women. Personally, I love to do yard work, shovel snow, wash cars, etc. I do cook, but I absolutely hate washing dishes, cleaning the bathroom, and ironing clothes. So, when I get married, I would expect the latter chores to be at least 50/50. Any chore neither of us likes will be 50/50 or we will both pay someone else to do it.

We are all individuals with a right to be happy. As long as the couple is happy, who cares what anyone else thinks.

Some men are happy to be emasculated, that does not mean it is good for the society as a whole.
If you would like a man that will wash dishes, clean the bathroom and iron clothes, you will find many such men.
None of the tasks you listed are challenging either physically or intellectually.
Not caring what other people think is ignorance.

Well, if you don't like doing it, you should understand if the woman doesn't like it either. It's called treat others the way you like to be treated and is common sense. The only gender related tasks are childbirth and breast feeding. Everything else is unisex.

Any man that is equal to a woman is not much of a man.



That right there is why you are a misogynist. There are billions of men who are stronger, faster, smarter, and more "manly" than you. Does that mean you aren't much of a man?

The only man I compare myself to is Jesus.



That's right, don't bother comparing yourself to other men. Why face what a massive loser you are when it's easier to pretend otherwise.

Jesus set a higher standard than any other man I know of.

Sadly - too many children are (& have been) raised in a single parent household. I know grown men - who have never had a dad. So, now they are trying to figure out - how to be a dad, when they were never given an example. And vice-versa - I'm sure. (Girls w/o moms.)

Call me old fashioned - but I think having a mom and dad (who get along) around on a daily basis is good for children.



Did you not read the thread? Nobody is refuting that it's better to have both parents around involved in raising their children. The more people a child has around to support them and look to for answers and guidance, the better - including grandparents, aunts and uncles. The issue is whether or not men and women should be required to stay in strictly defined gender roles, with men being in the dominant role of breadwinners/pantswearer and women being in the submissive role of homemaker/boobookisser. I say let couples decide what is best for them based on their individual strengths.

It would be unreasonable to expect a woman to take care of the house-hold full-time and to work at a challenging job full-time. While it may be possible, it is not a reasonable expectation for most people.

It is masculine of the man to take the job which is more challenging and that he is more fit for. My point is that staying at home to cook and clean is NOT the most challenging job and not the most fitting job for a man.

If you disagree, you will have to learn about emasculation from personal experience.

Any man that is equal to a woman is not much of a man.



That right there is why you are a misogynist. There are billions of men who are stronger, faster, smarter, and more "manly" than you. Does that mean you aren't much of a man?

The only man I compare myself to is Jesus.



That's right, don't bother comparing yourself to other men. Why face what a massive loser you are when it's easier to pretend otherwise.

Jesus set a higher standard than any other man I know of.


Yes, he did. Jesus could walk on water, instantly turn water to wine, raise the dead, heal lepers, and move mountains. I'm quite sure you can't do these things and never will. Truly, compared to him, you aren't much of a man.

So let's be realistic, compared to a mere mortal men, you still aren't much of a man.

<snip> as long as they are alienated from their children and treated as criminals by family courts, as long as they are disrespected by a culture that no longer values masculinity tied to honor, and as long as boys are bereft of strong fathers and our young men and women wage sexual war, then we risk cultural suicide.” Parker concludes.


At risk?? ... We are already there. It's all over except for the final gasping for air.

It would be unreasonable to expect a woman to take care of the house-hold full-time and to work at a challenging job full-time. While it may be possible, it is not a reasonable expectation for most people.

It is masculine of the man to take the job which is more challenging and that he is more fit for. My point is that staying at home to cook and clean is NOT the most challenging job and not the most fitting job for a man.

If you disagree, you will have to learn about emasculation from personal experience.

It would be unreasonable to expect a woman to take care of the house-hold full-time and to work at a challenging job full-time. While it may be possible, it is not a reasonable expectation for most people.

It is masculine of the man to take the job which is more challenging and that he is more fit for. My point is that staying at home to cook and clean is NOT the most challenging job and not the most fitting job for a man.

If you disagree, you will have to learn about emasculation from personal experience.



When my man gets home and makes us dinner and cleans up the kitchen after, I'm going to enjoy eating it more than usual tonight. Then I'm going to fuck him extra long and hard because he isn't you.

When my man gets home and makes us dinner and cleans up the kitchen after, I'm going to enjoy eating it more than usual tonight. Then I'm going to fuck him extra long and hard because he isn't you.

It would be unreasonable to expect a woman to take care of the house-hold full-time and to work at a challenging job full-time. While it may be possible, it is not a reasonable expectation for most people.

It is masculine of the man to take the job which is more challenging and that he is more fit for. My point is that staying at home to cook and clean is NOT the most challenging job and not the most fitting job for a man.

If you disagree, you will have to learn about emasculation from personal experience.

Yes, I disagree that it is fully the mans job to go out and be the bread winner, and that if he doesn't he's emasculated. IF you are talking a family situation, then whom ever is most capable of providing for the family, guy or gal, should be the bread winner, and whomever isn't should be the main care giver, guy or gal. In a family you don't do what is best for the mans ego, you do what is best for the raising of the children. If you disagree, then you will have to learn about family problems which can easily lead to the dissolution of the family unit, meaning divorce. I know plenty of families where the wife is the main bread winner due to capability and job abilities, where the guy may not be the house-hubby, but he's got the larger load when it comes to home care IF she needs to work more. If she doesn't, then they share the responsibilities. I also know plenty of families where the more traditional role is taken for the mans ego, or as is put here, so he's not emasculated, and those families are failing and near divorce because the financial needs (food, shelter, bills paid, etc) aren't being met and the woman HAS to take on bread winner in-home while raising the child. My point from earlier, it's a 2 way street, and either gender can take on the "easier" roles. BTW, I know a number of dads who say that raising the kids ISN'T easier than going out and bringing home the bacon.

When my man gets home and makes us dinner and cleans up the kitchen after, I'm going to enjoy eating it more than usual tonight. Then I'm going to fuck him extra long and hard because he isn't you.

That's just too funny!!! LOL!

Sadly - too many children are (& have been) raised in a single parent household. I know grown men - who have never had a dad. So, now they are trying to figure out - how to be a dad, when they were never given an example. And vice-versa - I'm sure. (Girls w/o moms.)

Call me old fashioned - but I think having a mom and dad (who get along) around on a daily basis is good for children.



Did you not read the thread? Nobody is refuting that it's better to have both parents around involved in raising their children. The more people a child has around to support them and look to for answers and guidance, the better - including grandparents, aunts and uncles. The issue is whether or not men and women should be required to stay in strictly defined gender roles, with men being in the dominant role of breadwinners/pantswearer and women being in the submissive role of homemaker/boobookisser. I say let couples decide what is best for them based on their individual strengths.


I was replying to segment on parenting.

My personal feelings are -- I would never tell another person how to live their life. Nor is it my place to judge anyone.

I do feel that children have suffered as a result of the loss of an old fashioned family dynamic. Conversly -I think a house hubby would be great.

I just worry about how fucked up today's children are as a result of society's trends.
Peace.

Well, maybe for you, ya old decaying fuck. The final gasping for air will come sooner for you and good riddance.

Sadly - too many children are (& have been) raised in a single parent household. I know grown men - who have never had a dad. So, now they are trying to figure out - how to be a dad, when they were never given an example. And vice-versa - I'm sure. (Girls w/o moms.)

Call me old fashioned - but I think having a mom and dad (who get along) around on a daily basis is good for children.



Did you not read the thread? Nobody is refuting that it's better to have both parents around involved in raising their children. The more people a child has around to support them and look to for answers and guidance, the better - including grandparents, aunts and uncles. The issue is whether or not men and women should be required to stay in strictly defined gender roles, with men being in the dominant role of breadwinners/pantswearer and women being in the submissive role of homemaker/boobookisser. I say let couples decide what is best for them based on their individual strengths.


I was replying to segment on parenting.

My personal feelings are -- I would never tell another person how to live their life. Nor is it my place to judge anyone.

I do feel that children have suffered as a result of the loss of an old fashioned family dynamic. Conversly -I think a house hubby would be great.

I just worry about how fucked up today's children are as a result of society's trends.
Peace.


Then we agree. I highly doubt men being nurturers and staying home to raise the children while mom works to earn the money to support them all is what is causing the problems of society.

Lets focus on getting all men and women to take care of their kids, in any way they can, before we start knitpicking on how they do it.

Yes, I disagree that it is fully the mans job to go out and be the bread winner, and that if he doesn't he's emasculated. IF you are talking a family situation, then whom ever is most capable of providing for the family, guy or gal, should be the bread winner, and whomever isn't should be the main care giver, guy or gal. In a family you don't do what is best for the mans ego, you do what is best for the raising of the children. If you disagree, then you will have to learn about family problems which can easily lead to the dissolution of the family unit, meaning divorce. I know plenty of families where the wife is the main bread winner due to capability and job abilities, where the guy may not be the house-hubby, but he's got the larger load when it comes to home care IF she needs to work more. If she doesn't, then they share the responsibilities. I also know plenty of families where the more traditional role is taken for the mans ego, or as is put here, so he's not emasculated, and those families are failing and near divorce because the financial needs (food, shelter, bills paid, etc) aren't being met and the woman HAS to take on bread winner in-home while raising the child. My point from earlier, it's a 2 way street, and either gender can take on the "easier" roles. BTW, I know a number of dads who say that raising the kids ISN'T easier than going out and bringing home the bacon.

So...here you are describing a bunch of emasculated men. They don't mind, that's a big part of being emasculated.

Yes, I disagree that it is fully the mans job to go out and be the bread winner, and that if he doesn't he's emasculated. IF you are talking a family situation, then whom ever is most capable of providing for the family, guy or gal, should be the bread winner, and whomever isn't should be the main care giver, guy or gal. In a family you don't do what is best for the mans ego, you do what is best for the raising of the children. If you disagree, then you will have to learn about family problems which can easily lead to the dissolution of the family unit, meaning divorce. I know plenty of families where the wife is the main bread winner due to capability and job abilities, where the guy may not be the house-hubby, but he's got the larger load when it comes to home care IF she needs to work more. If she doesn't, then they share the responsibilities. I also know plenty of families where the more traditional role is taken for the mans ego, or as is put here, so he's not emasculated, and those families are failing and near divorce because the financial needs (food, shelter, bills paid, etc) aren't being met and the woman HAS to take on bread winner in-home while raising the child. My point from earlier, it's a 2 way street, and either gender can take on the "easier" roles. BTW, I know a number of dads who say that raising the kids ISN'T easier than going out and bringing home the bacon.

So...here you are describing a bunch of emasculated men. They don't mind, that's a big part of being emasculated.

nope. I'm describing family duty and putting the family before ones ego. Women are always expected to do it, why not guys if it's better for the family unit.

Besides the miracles, Jesus set a high personal standard that I aspire to live up to. I have no reason to compare to mere mortal men when a higher standard is available to me.

In fact the way they become emasculated is by letting women use sex as a reward and punishment system to manipulate them into fulfilling the selfish demands of their women.