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The undercurrent running behind this news story is not just the family values/morals issue...

It is because TRADITIONALLY (and the Republicans are the family values party) the woman is the primary caregiver of her children. If she has an underage daugher who is pregnant will this impede her ability to be Vice President? Especially when she has so many children underage at home, plus obviously issues with her teenager daughter.

This would not be as big a story if this was a male candidate with a pregnant teen at home.

But, since Republicans like to press "traditional roles", this is a legit question worthy of an answer by her.
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Why not kill this rumor with Palin's medical records? A 43 year old woman's pregnancy with a Downs Syndrome child would have been intensely monitored, and the records must be a mile long. Just release them, ok? If necessary in a closed room for reporters, just as with McCain. And we can all breathe a sigh of relief and move on.
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Wow, talk about not getting the point.

I thought Obama Christ said we shouldn't be barking up this tree?
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09/01/2008 05:51 PM
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It's really a shame her selfish lying mother forced her out into the spotlight.
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Don't be such a sissy.

Part of Palin's resume evidently involves being a "mother" of 5 children and loving to hunt.

Well, if these are her credentials, they are open for discussion.

Would this story have been revealed if there was not a question about the baby in question?
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The undercurrent running behind this news story is not just the family values/morals issue...

It is because TRADITIONALLY (and the Republicans are the family values party) the woman is the primary caregiver of her children. If she has an underage daugher who is pregnant will this impede her ability to be Vice President? Especially when she has so many children underage at home, plus obviously issues with her teenager daughter.

This would not be as big a story if this was a male candidate with a pregnant teen at home.

But, since Republicans like to press "traditional roles", this is a legit question worthy of an answer by her.
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Oh yes, and I forgot about her disabled child too. I think she NEEDS to address this issue. Can she be VP with so many children who OBVIOUSLY need a full time mother?(again, only because Republicans stress traditional family roles constantly...)
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To see the news sources spreading all sorts of info and probably some dis-info on Palin's daughter, pregnancy, unmarried status, etc., is the most vile thing I've ever seen what passes for reporting in this country do!

I was sick when I had to see and then read the 40 million dollar Star Report where in that perverted old reprobate, Ken Star, gave us the gory details of President Clinton's trysts with Monica Lewinski. That was shameful enough. But at least they were both adults!

To attack the VP Candidates' daughter who is apparently seventeen and perhaps pregnant is reprehensible! That girl is not running for office. Her mother is! It sickens me to think that even the press would jump on this bandwagon and so gleefully report it.

The sexual preferences, and activities of the candidates themselves should be off limits unless and until they cross into areas of illegality (ie: Minors, Prostitutes, Non-consensual sex, etc.) and the sexual lives and deeds of their minor children should NEVER be used as fodder for the selling of news papers or commercial time on the broadcast news. The fact that a president has a mistress (or a male lover for that matter) is NONE OF MY BUSINESS! I don't care and don't want to know! His wife and her attorney may be interested in those facts, but as a citizen, I am not!

I do want to know how he or she votes on critical issues, where they stand on the military industrial complex that's ruining this world, and what they intend to do about our dependence on oil, the crashing US economy, the illegal Federal reserve bank and it's actions, and a few million other things that are far far more interesting and important than who they or their children have been sleeping with or what they may have done in those various beds!

Whether Fox, or ABC, or CNN or NBC broke this story - I could care less - other than I'll know which of them to avoid in the future. I would like to get these young journalists and set them down and explain to them that while a public figure may forfeit his/her right to privacy, their minor children do not. Frankly, I would love to see the reporters and papers and media outlets who have deemed this "newsworthy" vs a private and potentially tragic mistake sent back to school and forced to take the ethics class that they so obviously flunked the first time around. Or do they still teach ethics in schools of Journalism today?

This is VILE and it sickens me. I'm a 5th Generation Card Carrying Kennedy-esque DEMOCRAT and Proud of it. But this time, the news media and their band of jackals have attacked a child - a child who's in a very difficult position, and made her a laughing stock and held her up for public humiliation for nothing more than selling their sleazy rags or newscasts. This should not even be visited upon a Republican.

If the media had any decency left, they would en masse start printing full page apologies to the candidate and her family! But I doubt they would even understand the word "decency" as I've used it herein. And they're probably too cheap to print and pay for a full page apology, too!

The once proud Forth Estate has now shat upon the entire nation! They are beneath our collective contempt for this!
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Dude give me a break.
They almost impeached Clinton for getting a knobber and that was a set up....what kinda fat assed biatch would save a dress with cum stains on it for a year?
Anyway, Ethics are a big part of the American opionion. Im surprised they allowed her to still be the tenative VP. Shes a ditz.
They have the power to create reality

I could explain it better but I would need charts, graphs and an easel.

By the way....which ones pink?
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The undercurrent running behind this news story is not just the family values/morals issue...

It is because TRADITIONALLY (and the Republicans are the family values party) the woman is the primary caregiver of her children. If she has an underage daugher who is pregnant will this impede her ability to be Vice President? Especially when she has so many children underage at home, plus obviously issues with her teenager daughter.

This would not be as big a story if this was a male candidate with a pregnant teen at home.

But, since Republicans like to press "traditional roles", this is a legit question worthy of an answer by her.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 357788


No.

The pitbulls of the Dems won't let this one go. Payback for the Larry Sinclair debacle is the only thing I can rationally come up with.

You're not going to vote republican, or sway any that will, by a story like this. Like I said in another post - who is the Christian Right going to vote for then? Obama? Laugh.

I'm staying home that day in November because I realize what a sham it is. "A giant douche and a shit sandwich - who do you like best?" as South Park put it.
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Unfortunately this is the reality for political figures.

They know that going in and use personal "dirt" against

their opponents.

So-they finally pinned a thread about the VP Candidate's

personal life, and its a complaint that we don't wanna hear

about it.

First of all, there are questions about a conspiracy to

portray a false image.

The "facts" that have been put out don't add-up.

Mono for 5 months, non-pregnant-looking woman gives birth

with odd-circumstances. Photos being re-dated by newspapers,

Wikipedia being wiped and re-written 1 day before big

announcement of VP candidacy, rumours being floated...

A lot of chatter on both political sides revolves around

birth certificates, the validaty of them and whatnot.

I guess we could say they are all bastards in one way or

another.

Maybe someday we'll "catch" one of these political or

celebrity figures in the act of outright lying to the

public about a birth certificate or something like that?

Maybe the fact that we usually don't catch them, or that by

the time we do it really doesn't matter anymore, ("I lied"-

Bill Clinton, Richard Nixon).
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it's okay, Mrs Palin's relatives are all planning to vote for Obama...

They see through the desperation move and are frankly disgusted by it.
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Medical records are confidential. Even a candidate's.
But hey, offer yours up to the local newspaper, if you like.
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[link to www.privacyrights.org]

...Many people consider information about their health to be highly sensitive, deserving of the strongest protection under the law. Long-standing laws in many states and the age-old tradition of doctor-patient privilege have been the mainstay of privacy protection for decades.

Now, the federal Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA) sets a national standard for privacy of health information, effective April 14, 2003. But HIPAA only applies to medical records maintained by health care providers, health plans, and health clearinghouses - and only if the facility maintains and transmits records in electronic form. A great deal of health-related information exists outside of health care facilities and the files of health plans, and thus beyond the reach of HIPAA. (PRC Fact Sheet 8a, "HIPAA Basics," www.privacyrights.org/fs/fs8a-hipaa.htm)

The extent of privacy protection given to your medical information often depends on where the records are located and the purpose for which the information was compiled. The laws that cover privacy of medical information vary by situation. And, confidentiality is likely to be lost in return for insurance coverage, an employment opportunity, your application for a government benefit, or an investigation of health and safety at your work site. In short, you may have a false sense of security.This guide provides information on medical records not covered by the HIPAA Privacy Rule ...
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MOVE ON EVERYONE!!!!

when right-wing hacks like Evil Twin, Mr. Predictor and Apocalypse Troll want to avoid talk of a political conspiracy in a FUCKING CONSPIRACY FORUM, then you know that there's no smoke to this fire.
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We want to respect the family's privacy and Bristol's feelings

CONCERN TROLL BULLSHIT

you fucks were dancing in the streets just days ago when Jodn Edwards' shit broke into pulic view... I guess his kid's shattered lives are not worth as much.
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The undercurrent running behind this news story is not just the family values/morals issue...

It is because TRADITIONALLY (and the Republicans are the family values party) the woman is the primary caregiver of her children. If she has an underage daugher who is pregnant will this impede her ability to be Vice President? Especially when she has so many children underage at home, plus obviously issues with her teenager daughter.

This would not be as big a story if this was a male candidate with a pregnant teen at home.

But, since Republicans like to press "traditional roles", this is a legit question worthy of an answer by her.


No.

The pitbulls of the Dems won't let this one go. Payback for the Larry Sinclair debacle is the only thing I can rationally come up with.

You're not going to vote republican, or sway any that will, by a story like this. Like I said in another post - who is the Christian Right going to vote for then? Obama? Laugh.

I'm staying home that day in November because I realize what a sham it is. "A giant douche and a shit sandwich - who do you like best?" as South Park put it.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 451005


I disagree, this is a legit question. How can she be VP with 5 young children which include a disabled child and a troubled pregnant teen? That family sounds like it needs TWO full time parents.
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First of all, Bristol is no longer a child.

In Alaska the age for consent(i.e. adult) is 16.

Old enough to [email protected]#k, old enough for flak.

Besides, her selfish lying bitch mother forced her into the spotlight.
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They announced the daughter's pregnancy TO ADDRESS THE

RUMOURS.

That was a bad move in my opinion. It would have been

better to leave that out.

Why would they come right out and state that they want to

address the rumours?

If I had written the press release, it would have said

something like, The Candidate & her family are happy to

announce that they will have another addition to the family

soon,and a new son-in-law, yes it was a surprize, bla bla

bla, and we'd appreiciate some privacy for our young

daughter's delicate situation.

Why on earth would they come out with a statement that says

they were forced to make the announcement?

And why would they even say they wanted to engage the

rumour-mill?
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Don't go after the kid, go after the candidate.
She's a candidate for a party that appeals to christians, in fact she's a christian. Why can't it be a part of campaign? They preach abstinence and no sex before marriage. How can she tell a country to don't have sex if she can't even raise her daughter to her standards? The poor sexual education in the us has lead to record stds and pregnancies among youth, also self-image among youth is very disturbing. By denying their sexuality, we are creating more and more psychopaths if we go along this way. Sex-ed according to christians, and her (
 [link to en.wikipedia.org] 

), is a nono. Why can't you tell a rival candidate it's a bit ironic in a discussion on the subject? Or is sex-ed due to the pregnancy of her daughter a nogo for candidates? How manipulated we are :-|
BTW Off-topic: Pro-life...Pro-death-penalty??? How can you support both views? She does and a lot of others, a bit hypocrytical. And i don't think god would like it too...Thou shalt not kill, I think a commandment goes before a human law (eye for an eye) don't you think?
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Don't go after the kid, go after the candidate.
She's a candidate for a party that appeals to christians, in fact she's a christian. Why can't it be a part of campaign? They preach abstinence and no sex before marriage. How can she tell a country to don't have sex if she can't even raise her daughter to her standards? The poor sexual education in the us has lead to record stds and pregnancies among youth, also self-image among youth is very disturbing. By denying their sexuality, we are creating more and more psychopaths if we go along this way. Sex-ed according to christians, and her (
 [link to en.wikipedia.org] 

), is a nono. Why can't you tell a rival candidate it's a bit ironic in a discussion on the subject? Or is sex-ed due to the pregnancy of her daughter a nogo for candidates? How manipulated we are :-|
BTW Off-topic: Pro-life...Pro-death-penalty??? How can you support both views? She does and a lot of others, a bit hypocrytical. And i don't think god would like it too...Thou shalt not kill, I think a commandment goes before a human law (eye for an eye) don't you think?
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I mean some christians, never meant to generalise, sorry
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This is an issue, period. OP, say hello to the fairy dragons and marshmellow elves in the dream world you live in. Once you are running for VP (with a good change of becoming President), it's ON. Decision making, judgment, and yes, family, all get scrutinized. This goes for everyone, not just Sarah Palin.

Grow up.
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Thank you OP, a very important post and thread.

The undercurrent running behind this news story is not just the family values/morals issue...

It is because TRADITIONALLY (and the Republicans are the family values party) the woman is the primary caregiver of her children. If she has an underage daugher who is pregnant will this impede her ability to be Vice President? Especially when she has so many children underage at home, plus obviously issues with her teenager daughter.

This would not be as big a story if this was a male candidate with a pregnant teen at home.

But, since Republicans like to press "traditional roles", this is a legit question worthy of an answer by her.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 357788


"To any critics who say a woman can't think and work and carry a baby at the same time, I'd just like to escort that Neanderthal back to the cave," Palin said.

Lotus
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BTW Off-topic: Pro-life...Pro-death-penalty??? How can you support both views? She does and a lot of others, a bit hypocrytical. And i don't think god would like it too...Thou shalt not kill, I think a commandment goes before a human law (eye for an eye) don't you think?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 283030


Forget the daughter and the DUI husband. Just sounds like a typical American Christian family.

There's other things that bother me about her as you stated above, pro-life...pro-death penalty. And it sounds like she abused her powers going after the brother-in-law.

And how can you be so pro-life and not care about the wolves? She only cares about the animals that she can hunt and kill.

I'm Republican and was already having hard time justifying voting for McCain and now for sure won't. She doesn't have the experience and coupled with her lying will kill the deal for me.

Some thing's not right with her and in all actuality she has a good chance of becoming president due to McCain's age.
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sexual chocolate! ooh..the bible belts gonna love that!
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Friday, April 18th, at 6:30 am. Trig Paxson Van Palin weighed in at 6 lbs, 2 oz when he was born at Mat-Su Regional Medical Center

Note the April calendar for the 18th, the supposed day Trig Palin was born at Mat-Su Regional Medical Center. His name does not appear.



[link to www.matsuregional.com]


[link to mparent7777-1.livejournal.com]
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EXCELLENT POINT!


"Search Results for Trig Palin - No Babies Entered Yet"
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If they would only go after the adults like Obama and his wife, the pastor Wright, all his shady cronies, his birth certificate, even the Saudis are pulling for him because they say he is Muslim. Let divide up the hate. Most Mothers in America work. Many teens are p.g., but thank goodness they are not lining up at an abortion clinic to kill. This country is becoming so hateful, but more so to the ones that are trying to do the right thing. I am just sick that the Dem's are willing to take on a young woman, to try and push their agendas. What are we becoming? What about Clinton, Kennedy, Edwards, they were not jumping up and down then and they were adults.
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This is an issue, period. OP, say hello to the fairy dragons and marshmellow elves in the dream world you live in. Once you are running for VP (with a good change of becoming President), it's ON. Decision making, judgment, and yes, family, all get scrutinized. This goes for everyone, not just Sarah Palin.

Grow up.
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Guess who lives down the road on Gum Drop Lane? Evil Twin and PACNWGUY.
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"To any critics who say a woman can't think and work and carry a baby at the same time, I'd just like to escort that Neanderthal back to the cave," Palin said.

Lotus
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Yea, but it it good for the kids? She failed to have enough time with the seventeen year old to teach her about birth control.
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Anyway, Ethics are a big part of the American opionion. Im surprised they allowed her to still be the tenative VP. Shes a ditz.
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Its a great pity that ethics is not part of American life, internet chat rooms and the media. In the last few days people have not only invaded the life of American citizens but they have shown themselves to be out of integrity with their conspiracy stories made up as they go along. How anyone can stoop so low is beyond me.

However, America is screaming for change and the Republicans are changing. Sounds like people here don't like the changes and don't like the fact that a mother can work and bring up a family. Just in case you have been asleep the last few decades mothers have been forced to work to be able to afford the essentials in life.

A VP that works and brings up her family with help from the rest of her family is in tune with modern day life in the 21st century, and it is only those that live in the dark ages that do not accept the rights of women to choose for themselves how they wish to run their lives.

It is very clear that the Republicans are changing big time but it seems that you do not wish to see that change happen due to your own agenda of change with a different party.

Well tough, because Sarah Palin being an Aquarian is all about change and those that do not change get stuck and sick if they do not move with the times and the nature of creation.

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The sexual preferences, and activities of the candidates themselves should be off limits unless and until they cross into areas of illegality (ie: Minors, Prostitutes, Non-consensual sex, etc.) and the sexual lives and deeds of their minor children should NEVER be used as fodder for the selling of news papers or commercial time on the broadcast news. The fact that a president has a mistress (or a male lover for that matter) is NONE OF MY BUSINESS! I don't care and don't want to know! His wife and her attorney may be interested in those facts, but as a citizen, I am not!
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You are on shaky ground there. The sexual preferences of candidates are shoved underground. NPI. There is no way an openly gay candidate could run for the office of president. Most gay men and women do not break the law.

As for adultery, homo or hetero, it IS an issue of character. Suddenly you think that should be off the table? Tell me, what was your opinion on the cigar incident?
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This is an issue, period. OP, say hello to the fairy dragons and marshmellow elves in the dream world you live in. Once you are running for VP (with a good change of becoming President), it's ON. Decision making, judgment, and yes, family, all get scrutinized. This goes for everyone, not just Sarah Palin.

Grow up.

Guess who lives down the road on Gum Drop Lane? Evil Twin and PACNWGUY.
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by the way,why is garbage pinned?
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It's really a shame her selfish lying mother forced her out into the spotlight.
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This is the whole point of the matter, really.

All of this could have been avoided if only her mother (Gov. Palin) had done the right thing and REFUSED the V.P. nomination.

And I can't believe McCain knew this before he announced her. Did he really pick her KNOWING that she is under investigation in Alaska for Troopergate (she just hired a lawyer today to defend her in this) -AND- that her unmarried 17 yr. old daughter is pregnant?????

If he picked her knowing all this, he is the world's biggest idiot. If he didn't know, he's still looks like an idiot!
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BTW Off-topic: Pro-life...Pro-death-penalty??? How can you support both views? She does and a lot of others, a bit hypocrytical. And i don't think god would like it too...Thou shalt not kill, I think a commandment goes before a human law (eye for an eye) don't you think?


Forget the daughter and the DUI husband. Just sounds like a typical American Christian family.

There's other things that bother me about her as you stated above, pro-life...pro-death penalty. And it sounds like she abused her powers going after the brother-in-law.

And how can you be so pro-life and not care about the wolves? She only cares about the animals that she can hunt and kill.

I'm Republican and was already having hard time justifying voting for McCain and now for sure won't. She doesn't have the experience and coupled with her lying will kill the deal for me.

Some thing's not right with her and in all actuality she has a good chance of becoming president due to McCain's age.
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When asked about the Ninth Circuit Court's ruling concerning the words 'under God' in the Pledge of Allegiance, stated, "If it was good enough for the founding fathers, it's good enough for me." (as reported in ADN - Anchorage Daily News) The Governor seemed unaware that the pledge was written in the 1890s, and that the words "under God" were added only in 1954. Ms Palin's ignorance of history was also made clear when she referred to wildlife officers as "brown shirts", inadvertently comparing Alaska State Troopers to Hitler's Brownshirts, the Nazi paramilitary organization.

Worse than these gaffes, however, is the Governor's refusal to support an increase in the maximum family-income limit for children's health-care coverage in the SCHIP program, now set at 175% of the poverty level, one of the stingiest in the nation. This is an embarrassment for a state awash in oil money.





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