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Anonymous Coward
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Leaders have to live above the mainstream, they are leaders their lived need to be EXAMPLARY


Other than Jesus Christ, name one leader that has ever lived a perfect life.
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No doubt. The hypocracy of Republican moralists is sickening.

Let's talk a woman's right to choose. Imagine what they would say if Bristal made the wrong choice,,,
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09/02/2008 03:44 AM
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I'm not an Obama supporter, but have to give kudos to him for his stance on this issue:

I have heard some of the news on this and so let me be as clear as possible. I have said before and I will repeat again, I think people's families are off limits, and people's children are especially off limits. This shouldn't be part of our politics, it has no relevance to governor Palin's performance as a governor or her potential performance as a vice president. And so I would strongly urge people to back off these kinds of stories. You know my mother had me when she was 18. And how family deals with issues and teenage children that shouldn't be the topic of our politics and I hope that anybody who is supporting me understands that is off limits.
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09/02/2008 05:23 AM
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I disagree with Obama to some degree; if the people in question have used their family for political gain, they are the ones who made them people to investigate. Palin's political image is her family, and she wants to march them out in front of everyone and say, "look how great I am, I have a family and can do it all." When she does that, she invites the investigation.
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09/02/2008 06:15 AM
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Good for you LF...but multiply what you did with one child by 5 children and can you see how IMPOSSIBLE something like that could be.
How would you like your child to be set-up to think such a crazy thing is actually possible?
In my opinion, that kind-of nonsense is bad for women. And even for men-whoever takes-on the FULL-TIME 24-7 job of child-raising.
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You are all making a lot of assumptions. How do you that her husband isn't going to give us his job to look after the two children. Her daughter might decide to stay in Alaska with dad and his parents. Many children leave home at 16/17/18.

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09/02/2008 06:25 AM
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Great post OP. The MSM is obviously in the tank for obama and it is sad.
Where are the question about Resko and Ayers?
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09/02/2008 06:29 AM
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the experience & morals of obama vs the exp. & morals of palin


the muslim bro wins.....lol

ask CNN or cnbc...it's a given
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Palin has the compassion and unconditional love to look after her family. Sadly, Obama does not look after his brother who lives in absolute poverty. So much for morals in the dem camp.

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09/02/2008 06:39 AM
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Maybe its a throwaway like Kerry was in 04. Maybe Obama has already been selected to win.
God I hope that the dark hand that really runs the show is not on him.
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The Lord said 'Beauty or the Beast' choose wisely. Check out the Revelations and the Leopard that is backed by the beast.

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09/02/2008 07:26 AM
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I disagree with Obama to some degree; if the people in question have used their family for political gain, they are the ones who made them people to investigate. Palin's political image is her family, and she wants to march them out in front of everyone and say, "look how great I am, I have a family and can do it all." When she does that, she invites the investigation.
 Quoting: Tick Tock 486272


Did Obama and Michelle not do the same.

Michelle and Obama are both working parents aren't they?

Lotus
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09/02/2008 07:29 AM
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A previous poster spoke of Sarah's fortitude for taking a 12-hour plane trip while she was in labor ... as if it was a GOOD thing. She supposedly KNEW she was about to give birth to a special needs child.

To me, it smacks of irresponsibility. If we are to believe Trig is her child, we are then also to believe she's a reckless and selfish woman.

I'm not attacking her daughter. I'm just sick of the lies. If she and her husband chose to take her child's child and raise it on their own, good for them! Regular people do it every day!

But she's anti-choice and is about to be put into a position where her views can be forced on the American people. We need to know the truth.

I have raised two responsible adult children, neither of whom brought home children for me to raise as they were teenagers. Neither of them were forced into farce marriages as a result of negligent sexual practices.

Come on America ... I'm tired of being lied to! I'm not attacking her or her family ... I'm just sick and tired of the lies. And hers are coming out from the git-go. Own up to who and what you and your family are, and let's get on with the business at hand.

Sarah could stop these attacks ... today ... if she only took the responsibility for her own and her family's actions.

Sorry Obama ... it's not about her family. It's about the lies.
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09/02/2008 07:42 AM
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And the beast is fighting hard because they do not wish to be crushed. It's going to get dirty and the mud will fly.

Palin is the light that triggers the darkness and the darkness triggers the light until there is no more darkness left. Palin will rise to the challenge but she will not hide behind protocol. She will be real in how she deals with it because she only knows how to be real.

Yes she will have the limelight just as we predicted and that limelight is about 'creative forgiveness'. McCain knows he can put her on the pedestal because he knows that this lady is invincible. The more she is attacked the more she will rise like a phoenix coming out of the ashes. The beast cannot harm her because God is with her and her family.

Let us hope by the time this election process is over the USA is shamed into learning forgiveness, compassionate action, unconditional love, acceptance and understanding.

It is obvious that the USA is going through a huge purge and purification and Palin is the catalyst like many Aquarian's turn out to be. The catalyst is always sent by God.

Let this be a time of healing all of the wounds of the past so that the USA can move into a better and brighter future.

Aquarian's are very unpredictable so wait and see what she has to say and don't judge her on what you perceive to be her response to major issues. This is a woman like no other and she is far more flexible and tolerant than most.

Lotus
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09/02/2008 07:54 AM
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Creative forgiveness ... right. The Clinton/Lewinsky investigation lasted six months, and cost taxpayers $6.2 to $7 million. All because he lied.
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09/02/2008 07:56 AM
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read this excellent essay...by someone who seems to know politics quite well....

What Palin Really Means

[link to lamecherry.blogspot.com]
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So Cindy McCain is going to run the U.S.?

No thanks.
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09/02/2008 08:10 AM
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Every sperm is sacred.

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09/02/2008 08:21 AM
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Creative forgiveness ... right. The Clinton/Lewinsky investigation lasted six months, and cost taxpayers $6.2 to $7 million. All because he lied.
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And British citizens could not believe that Americans could make such a big deal about an affair. To sacrifice a president and spend so much money.

In the UK corruption is shamed into resignation, so if and when discovered it is eradicated quickly. However, the people mainly leave these issues to the media. politican's and justice system. The British people are above making mountains out of molehills, they are busy getting on with their lives.

It is the same with the private lives of politicians. The UK tend to leave it to the politicians' to shame each other if it is deemed to be against the interests of the state.

It appears that the USA likes to put all the responsibility on to its leaders and refuses to look within at the self. The outer world is a reflection of our inner world, the cosmos is a two-way street. So ask yourselves why the Clinton case cost tax payers up to $7 million dollars. Ask yourselves was it worth it? Was it worth bringing down a president? Was it worth the shame it brought upon America and its people due to the debacle. Was it a set up?

The Lord Jesus demonstrated human weakness to help others rise up in his power. To teach people forgiveness and unconditional love.

Where is the plumb line? Where is the moral compass? What harm did Clinton do to the people? Why would the people seek to harm a person that did no harm to them personally prior to the court case impacting on tax payers.

Is it not time for the USA to integrate the ethic of reciprocity/ Golden Rule, a fundamental moral value which simply means "treat others as you would like to be treated."

If you stepped over the line in your private life would you like to lose your job and be shamed internationally, your wife and child who were innocent humiliated for what you had done?

My God the USA must raise its standards in more ways than one. Yes, leaders have a responsibility to lead by example. However, if they slip because they are human can you give them a leg up to help them not make the same slip again?

Or is the USA going to be an example to the world by having no compassion, no forgiveness, no unconditional love or acceptance of human weakness. If you wish to have good people representing you then the people have to play their part too. Why should good people lead your nation only to be torn asunder by it?

These are serious questions for you all to ponder upon.

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09/02/2008 08:47 AM
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I mean all woman should stand behind one of their own. This isnt shallow thinking, this is sisterly solidarity! Look at those tits!, those hips!, that's one of ours.

And having a baby at 44! Wow, that's a vagina of steel!

And surviving a 12 hour plane ride after your water broke? That shows a fortitude that could crack coconuts.

And shooting bears from airplanes for sport? Well, we know helping Siberian tigers from extinction is for sissies.

And her knowledge of Russia by her proximity to Alaska? I just adore a woman who knows her geography.

I could go on. But the Republicans just dont shut up about poor Bristol enough for Sarah to answer questions of substance.

Why do they excel in distraction?
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i love it !!
how stupid/gullible, do politicians think the american/world? public is ??????
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09/02/2008 08:51 AM
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Just release the medical records of her son's birth in April, with a righteous dose of indignation at the depravity of the press.

Problem solved. She gets to prove the rumor mongers wrong, and, bash the media in the process. A twofer.

One wonders why they haven't done it yet. Maybe waiting for the right moment?

Unless, that is, someone is LYING.
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Actually, all they have to do is find out if she was even a patient at that hospital at the time she said she was.

Kind of hard to miss the Governor of a state in a hospital. I used to work in a hospital, and word gets around. Plenty of people 'know'..

I think that is what all these people (investigative reporters, lawyers, etc.) are going to Alaska to find out, amongst other things.

If Palin wasn't there, she will be forced to resign.
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09/02/2008 09:02 AM
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I thought this post would contain something about Biden's family too.
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I'm also waiting on this
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09/02/2008 09:10 AM
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Palin has got to go!

Keep your eye on the ball. This story is NOT about the kids, or what the kids did and didn't do.

The story is about Sarah Palin lying about being pregnant.

Plus, any insinuation that Levi is the father of the baby Bristol is carry may also be fiction.

Facts are leading to the fact that Levi is the father of the first baby, which Sarah Palin, governor of Alaska, has claimed to be birthed.

We don't need to be fooled again by another lie. The family needs to shut up about the kids, who the father is, what the family plans are .... the US public does not have issue with that.

We have issue with lying Palin.
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Just release the medical records of her son's birth in April, with a righteous dose of indignation at the depravity of the press.

Problem solved. She gets to prove the rumor mongers wrong, and, bash the media in the process. A twofer.

One wonders why they haven't done it yet. Maybe waiting for the right moment?

Unless, that is, someone is LYING.


Actually, all they have to do is find out if she was even a patient at that hospital at the time she said she was.

Kind of hard to miss the Governor of a state in a hospital. I used to work in a hospital, and word gets around. Plenty of people 'know'..

I think that is what all these people (investigative reporters, lawyers, etc.) are going to Alaska to find out, amongst other things.

If Palin wasn't there, she will be forced to resign.
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yum...nice little topic to watch while eating my popcorn. Looks to me like Bush/Mccain made a stupid mistake. Breaking is that Palin used lobbyists to obtain a lot of special earmarked money for her hometown - when she was mayor. So some of her political stance is in conflict. McCain's choice is self-destructive behavior, and do we want either of them with access to the Oval office - NO. No amount of reproting on Gustav will overshadow this mess McCain has made. The MSM has beaten this to death. The storm is over! Sic McCain/Palin ticket!
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Did you hear the one that Sarah Palin belonged to an Alaskan party promoting seperation from the United States?

You got to love the Alaskans...
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It also seems that McCain broke with his advisors in a fit of fury because he couldnt get Leiberman or Ridge.

That's when he compulsively chose Palin.

Nice....... temper......
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09/02/2008 09:43 AM
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A previous poster spoke of Sarah's fortitude for taking a 12-hour plane trip while she was in labor ... as if it was a GOOD thing. She supposedly KNEW she was about to give birth to a special needs child.

To me, it smacks of irresponsibility. If we are to believe Trig is her child, we are then also to believe she's a reckless and selfish woman.

I'm not attacking her daughter. I'm just sick of the lies. If she and her husband chose to take her child's child and raise it on their own, good for them! Regular people do it every day!

But she's anti-choice and is about to be put into a position where her views can be forced on the American people. We need to know the truth.

I have raised two responsible adult children, neither of whom brought home children for me to raise as they were teenagers. Neither of them were forced into farce marriages as a result of negligent sexual practices.

Come on America ... I'm tired of being lied to! I'm not attacking her or her family ... I'm just sick and tired of the lies. And hers are coming out from the git-go. Own up to who and what you and your family are, and let's get on with the business at hand.

Sarah could stop these attacks ... today ... if she only took the responsibility for her own and her family's actions.

Sorry Obama ... it's not about her family. It's about the lies.
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Look this Mother is living in our culture and running under the front of a party whose vogue stance is one is to have the surprise babies within families and make up all kind of vague lies over keeping the baby as their party believes it to be unvogue to have sexuality explored yet human nature is such it has been going happening all through the centuries. The problem is in the Western culture it has been demanded of these right wingers to lie to protect the young one.We just need to bring the entire culture along that lying over what has always been happening leaving the baby and daughter in some cloud issue is WRONG.AND clouded for actually having done the RIGHT thing.A century ago women had to lie about ifthey even were working outside the home and receiving pay for it. It was a disgrace your "man" couldn't protect you or you weren't following "God" to have dreams.Charities were allowed so it was culture to lie one was off doing charities instead of setting up true businesses which in that culture only "tainted" women or women of the "night" received money as they had "fallen" outside of "God's" rule you cleave to a "man" and in his "Godly" duty he provides not dare be YOU.

Let this governor advance us to adoring and accepting the entire family and take this blight off early and surprise pregnancies which strikes within all families within their relatives.It should be a family matter and national politics stay out of it if it is pressuring the yong lady to marry for appearance sake.Hopefully this situation will help out many children whose Mothers got pushed into adoption over culture and we can evolve where even if adoption is chosen to chose another to help due to education or financial condition that the Mother is welcomed to stay acknowledged and the father as the parents.

At least they didn't murder this baby to "look" right or their convenience or putting first over the baby what others might think. It should be their personal privacy to handle this however they chose and respect their decisions as it is unrelated to professional life.Many of us alive wouldn't be here if our Mother's or grandparents pushed to eliminate the issue even being discovered.

Lets work toward moving on with business as we truly have international issues really more pressing than this family issue over a teen pregnancy which is rampant over the entire world.
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To see the news sources spreading all sorts of info and probably some dis-info on Palin's daughter, pregnancy, unmarried status, etc., is the most vile thing I've ever seen what passes for reporting in this country do!

I was sick when I had to see and then read the 40 million dollar Star Report where in that perverted old reprobate, Ken Star, gave us the gory details of President Clinton's trysts with Monica Lewinski. That was shameful enough. But at least they were both adults!

To attack the VP Candidates' daughter who is apparently seventeen and perhaps pregnant is reprehensible! That girl is not running for office. Her mother is! It sickens me to think that even the press would jump on this bandwagon and so gleefully report it.

The sexual preferences, and activities of the candidates themselves should be off limits unless and until they cross into areas of illegality (ie: Minors, Prostitutes, Non-consensual sex, etc.) and the sexual lives and deeds of their minor children should NEVER be used as fodder for the selling of news papers or commercial time on the broadcast news. The fact that a president has a mistress (or a male lover for that matter) is NONE OF MY BUSINESS! I don't care and don't want to know! His wife and her attorney may be interested in those facts, but as a citizen, I am not!

I do want to know how he or she votes on critical issues, where they stand on the military industrial complex that's ruining this world, and what they intend to do about our dependence on oil, the crashing US economy, the illegal Federal reserve bank and it's actions, and a few million other things that are far far more interesting and important than who they or their children have been sleeping with or what they may have done in those various beds!

Whether Fox, or ABC, or CNN or NBC broke this story - I could care less - other than I'll know which of them to avoid in the future. I would like to get these young journalists and set them down and explain to them that while a public figure may forfeit his/her right to privacy, their minor children do not. Frankly, I would love to see the reporters and papers and media outlets who have deemed this "newsworthy" vs a private and potentially tragic mistake sent back to school and forced to take the ethics class that they so obviously flunked the first time around. Or do they still teach ethics in schools of Journalism today?

This is VILE and it sickens me. I'm a 5th Generation Card Carrying Kennedy-esque DEMOCRAT and Proud of it. But this time, the news media and their band of jackals have attacked a child - a child who's in a very difficult position, and made her a laughing stock and held her up for public humiliation for nothing more than selling their sleazy rags or newscasts. This should not even be visited upon a Republican.

If the media had any decency left, they would en masse start printing full page apologies to the candidate and her family! But I doubt they would even understand the word "decency" as I've used it herein. And they're probably too cheap to print and pay for a full page apology, too!

The once proud Forth Estate has now shat upon the entire nation! They are beneath our collective contempt for this!
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If you're so outraged, maybe you should vote for John McCain.
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How fitting it was that the Democrat convention was held on the anniversary of Martin Luther King giving his speech 'I Had a Dream".

How fitting it was that Obama was chosen to give his speech on the anniversary.

How unfair it was that Obama was given the front position from day one from the media and Clinton had a steep uphill climb while it was made easy for Obama.

I just discovered that the date of the convention was decided back in 2005, does this not also tell you that Obama was on the ticket way back then?

DNC Announces Dates for 2008 Democratic Convention; Late August Convention Will Maximize Momentum for Democratic Ticket

NOVEMBER 4, 2005
DNC Announces Dates for 2008 Democratic Convention; Late August Convention Will Maximize Momentum for Democratic Ticket
"DNC Chairman Howard Dean today announced that the 2008 Democratic National Convention will be held Monday, August 25 through Thursday, August 28. The late August convention date will allow the Democrats to host their convention after the 2008 Summer Olympics in Beijing."
[link to www.newsunfiltered.com]

How amazing it is that the beast is setting the USA up for a fall and the American people are falling for it.

Choose wisely the world depends upon it.

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A woman's right to choose over her body works anyway a woman decides....

And when they choose we have to respect that choice...

I think it is disgraceful to call Bristol's baby a problem, or to describe it terms of a social tragedy.

Get over it...it's a choice in life,,,, and if she's fine with it so should we all be...
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I thought this post would contain something about Biden's family too.

I'm also waiting on this
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Here is a little nugget on bidens family:
[link to www.washingtonpost.com]
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A woman's right to choose over her body works anyway a woman decides....

And when they choose we have to respect that choice...

I think it is disgraceful to call Bristol's baby a problem, or to describe it terms of a social tragedy.

Get over it...it's a choice in life,,,, and if she's fine with it so should we all be...
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She runs on a platform of abstinence before marriage. Maybe she should instill her values in her children and leave ours alone?
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A woman's right to choose over her body works anyway a woman decides....

And when they choose we have to respect that choice...

I think it is disgraceful to call Bristol's baby a problem, or to describe it terms of a social tragedy.

Get over it...it's a choice in life,,,, and if she's fine with it so should we all be...


She runs on a platform of abstinence before marriage. Maybe she should instill her values in her children and leave ours alone?
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And how are you suppose to control every move your 16-18 yr old child makes?
You cant lock them in a basement until they are 21.
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To attack the VP Candidates' daughter who is apparently seventeen and perhaps pregnant is reprehensible! That girl is not running for office. Her mother is! It sickens me to think that even the press would jump on this bandwagon and so gleefully report it.
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"Even" the press? Who else but the press? It is they who are carrying it to unheard of heights.

Of course I have my suspicions that the Republican machine deflected the original story away from Sarah and onto to Bristol so as to blame the Dems, and instruct talking points to their supporters to show moral indignation.

Republican know how to point at others their moral superiority, however they get kind of uncomfortable when their hypocracy bites them in the ass....
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"Let this governor advance us to adoring and accepting the entire family and take this blight off early and surprise pregnancies which strikes within all families within their relatives.It should be a family matter and national politics stay out of it..."


You are right, accept the pregnancy. What I do not accept is Sarah Palin lying about being pregnant and delivering a child that was her daughter's.

Is Palin lying about the Down's? Is the Down's made up so that they child can be removed from the public eye whilst she is in public office - because the child belongs to her daughter.

The daughter's current pregnancy is no issue, none, nada. It is the Republican right trying to make the current pregnancy an issue to get the first pregnancy out of the spot light.

I despise lying bitches!





GLP