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"Maybe Soon" v 1.3

Table of Contents


I. Preface – Pg. 2

II. End Times Refresher
I. Why is it Important that We Watch? – Pg. 3
II.What are Some Signs that We Watch? – Pg. 8

III. Necessary Definitions and Clarification
I.The Rapture (Definition) – Pg. 38
II.Why I Believe in the Pre-tribulational Rapture (Timing) – Pg. 39
III.Daniels 70th Week - How it Relates to the Great Tribulation – Pg. 58
IV.The Jewish Feasts and How it Relates to End Times Prophecy – Pg. 60

IV. The Exciting Discovery
I.Preface – Dangers of Date Setting – Pg. 65
II.Signs in the Heavens – Pg. 66
III Some Interesting Mathematical Calculations – Pg. 76
IV.A Purim Connection – Pg. 81
V.Jubilee and Isaac Newton – Pg. 84
VI. The Beginning to the End – God’s Timeline – Pg. 85
VII. Conclusion – Pg. 88

V. Salvation
I. The Road to Salvation – Pg. 89

VI. Post Rapture Material
I. The Post Rapture Survival Guide – Pg. 93
II. Oops, I guess I wasn’t ready – Pg. 103
III A Second Chance at Salvation –Pg. 109

Addenda:

Post by Joshua Elsom

Note: Section III contains strongly supported speculation, however, it is still that, speculation. Obviously the conclusions generated from the signs discussed are speculative in nature and not a certainty, however, they are a very strong possibility and highly provocative.

Therefore, be aware, this is a calling to Christians for strong urgency to watch and to unbelievers to strongly consider a relationship with Jesus Christ.

Time MIGHT be very short.

9/13/2008


[link to www.fileden.com]

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Calling urgency to watch for Christians and Non-Christians to WATCH. This document is intended for multiple audiences pre and post rapture.

Preface:

I realize some recipients of this material might be quick to dismiss or disregard what is being presented. This was sent to you in thought and love in Jesus Christ. Please consider reading the material at least once, and if not, at the very least, please save this is a convenient location because either yourself or someone you love may realize an urgent blatant need for the material in the coming days.

Starting in 2003, I began my studies of Christian end times prophecy. I have been absolutely fascinated and current with the subject ever since. In the following, I would like to share one of the most startling and exciting discovery of end times signs to date in my opinion. But, before I do that, I would like to review some material that leads into it and will support the overall presentation and context. Whether you as the reader are a Christian or not, I would expect this material to be absolutely fascinating, and to Christians, this will be very exciting when you examine the “Exciting Discovery”

There are several purposes to this material and how it is organized. Regardless of your current beliefs, the common theme to this article is that time might be short, for Christians this should be rather exciting, for those that are not Christians or lukewarm Christians, this material might demonstrate a need for a sense of urgency to examine your relationship with Jesus Christ.

Before you begin reading, I realize that there is a lot of material presented here and I also recognize that there could be several audience types examining this presentation. That being said, please consider the following to possibly assist:

If the rapture and/or tribulation has not yet occurred

1) If you are not a Believer or if you are a Christian who is not too familiar with end times prophecy, then I recommend starting with section I, “Why is it Important that We Watch”

2) If you are a Believer and are rather familiar with end times prophecy, then you may be comfortable skipping to section III, “The Exciting Discovery”

If the rapture and/or tribulation start has already occurred

1) If you are not a Believer, please consider reading and starting in section IV “Salvation”

2) If you are a Believer, please consider reading and starting in section V as it may prove useful.

I hope this study is useful to you in multiple capacities. God bless and I pray I meet you in Heaven someday.
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NO!
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Downloaded it OP, looks time consuming, so I'll have to read it later, thanks!
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Downloaded it OP, looks time consuming, so I'll have to read it later, thanks!
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Yes it is a lot of material...absolutely fascinating, and depending on one's knowledge on the subject, skipping to section III (the really good stuff) might be possible...
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I'll stay around for questions as well as time allows.

This could be it!!! I couldn't imagine more blatant of signs.
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Thank you, I love homework.
It's a great way to end the sabbath.
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Sorry... I don't mean to sound too harsh, but this is nothing but more dispensational rubbish. Just a cursory glance at that article, they fail to even recognize the distinction between Israel and Judah in OT prophecy. In fact, when quoting "Israel" from Ezekiel, they use it to mean the nation of Israel over in the Middle East.

And the pretrib rapture false doctrine of devils, I'm not even going there...

It sounds to me like the author, instead of going to the Holy Spirit for truth, recycled more of the same ole, same ole from Hal Lindsey, Tim LaHaye, et al.
Genesis 3:15: "And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel." The Nephilim "seed" are TPTB.

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Sorry... I don't mean to sound too harsh, but this is nothing but more dispensational rubbish. Just a cursory glance at that article, they fail to even recognize the distinction between Israel and Judah in OT prophecy. In fact, when quoting "Israel" from Ezekiel, they use it to mean the nation of Israel over in the Middle East.

And the pretrib rapture false doctrine of devils, I'm not even going there...

It sounds to me like the author, instead of going to the Holy Spirit for truth, recycled more of the same ole, same ole from Hal Lindsey, Tim LaHaye, et al.
 Quoting: Michelle

Amen.
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Document link for download in MS Word format.

"Maybe Soon" v 1.3

Table of Contents


I. Preface – Pg. 2

II. End Times Refresher
I. Why is it Important that We Watch? – Pg. 3
II.What are Some Signs that We Watch? – Pg. 8

III. Necessary Definitions and Clarification
I.The Rapture (Definition) – Pg. 38
II.Why I Believe in the Pre-tribulational Rapture (Timing) – Pg. 39
III.Daniels 70th Week - How it Relates to the Great Tribulation – Pg. 58
IV.The Jewish Feasts and How it Relates to End Times Prophecy – Pg. 60

IV. The Exciting Discovery
I.Preface – Dangers of Date Setting – Pg. 65
II.Signs in the Heavens – Pg. 66
III Some Interesting Mathematical Calculations – Pg. 76
IV.A Purim Connection – Pg. 81
V.Jubilee and Isaac Newton – Pg. 84
VI. The Beginning to the End – God’s Timeline – Pg. 85
VII. Conclusion – Pg. 88

V. Salvation
I. The Road to Salvation – Pg. 89

VI. Post Rapture Material
I. The Post Rapture Survival Guide – Pg. 93
II. Oops, I guess I wasn’t ready – Pg. 103
III A Second Chance at Salvation –Pg. 109

Addenda:

Post by Joshua Elsom

Note: Section III contains strongly supported speculation, however, it is still that, speculation. Obviously the conclusions generated from the signs discussed are speculative in nature and not a certainty, however, they are a very strong possibility and highly provocative.

Therefore, be aware, this is a calling to Christians for strong urgency to watch and to unbelievers to strongly consider a relationship with Jesus Christ.

Time MIGHT be very short.

9/13/2008


[link to www.fileden.com]

To download a free MicroSoft Office Word Viewer

[link to www.microsoft.com]

Calling urgency to watch for Christians and Non-Christians to WATCH. This document is intended for multiple audiences pre and post rapture.

Preface:

I realize some recipients of this material might be quick to dismiss or disregard what is being presented. This was sent to you in thought and love in Jesus Christ. Please consider reading the material at least once, and if not, at the very least, please save this is a convenient location because either yourself or someone you love may realize an urgent blatant need for the material in the coming days.

Starting in 2003, I began my studies of Christian end times prophecy. I have been absolutely fascinated and current with the subject ever since. In the following, I would like to share one of the most startling and exciting discovery of end times signs to date in my opinion. But, before I do that, I would like to review some material that leads into it and will support the overall presentation and context. Whether you as the reader are a Christian or not, I would expect this material to be absolutely fascinating, and to Christians, this will be very exciting when you examine the “Exciting Discovery”

There are several purposes to this material and how it is organized. Regardless of your current beliefs, the common theme to this article is that time might be short, for Christians this should be rather exciting, for those that are not Christians or lukewarm Christians, this material might demonstrate a need for a sense of urgency to examine your relationship with Jesus Christ.

Before you begin reading, I realize that there is a lot of material presented here and I also recognize that there could be several audience types examining this presentation. That being said, please consider the following to possibly assist:

If the rapture and/or tribulation has not yet occurred

1) If you are not a Believer or if you are a Christian who is not too familiar with end times prophecy, then I recommend starting with section I, “Why is it Important that We Watch”

2) If you are a Believer and are rather familiar with end times prophecy, then you may be comfortable skipping to section III, “The Exciting Discovery”

If the rapture and/or tribulation start has already occurred

1) If you are not a Believer, please consider reading and starting in section IV “Salvation”

2) If you are a Believer, please consider reading and starting in section V as it may prove useful.

I hope this study is useful to you in multiple capacities. God bless and I pray I meet you in Heaven someday.
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This is all off, where did you get this from James Casbolt...

LMFAO
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Sorry... I don't mean to sound too harsh, but this is nothing but more dispensational rubbish. Just a cursory glance at that article, they fail to even recognize the distinction between Israel and Judah in OT prophecy. In fact, when quoting "Israel" from Ezekiel, they use it to mean the nation of Israel over in the Middle East.

And the pretrib rapture false doctrine of devils, I'm not even going there...

It sounds to me like the author, instead of going to the Holy Spirit for truth, recycled more of the same ole, same ole from Hal Lindsey, Tim LaHaye, et al.

Amen.
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I don't mean to sound too harsh, but the pretrib rapture is only for the 144,000 i.e., HIS special treasure!
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Sorry... I don't mean to sound too harsh, but this is nothing but more dispensational rubbish. Just a cursory glance at that article, they fail to even recognize the distinction between Israel and Judah in OT prophecy. In fact, when quoting "Israel" from Ezekiel, they use it to mean the nation of Israel over in the Middle East.

And the pretrib rapture false doctrine of devils, I'm not even going there...

It sounds to me like the author, instead of going to the Holy Spirit for truth, recycled more of the same ole, same ole from Hal Lindsey, Tim LaHaye, et al.
 Quoting: Michelle


I understand, and no, you were not too harsh. Don't get lost in the argument for rapture timing. Focus on the new signs I am presenting in section III, they still have much merit, and will blow you away in excitement.

I admit, I am not 100% on pre trib. I would like it not to be, however, I believe there is a strong risk that there is, hence the urgency I am presenting here.
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Sorry... I don't mean to sound too harsh, but this is nothing but more dispensational rubbish. Just a cursory glance at that article, they fail to even recognize the distinction between Israel and Judah in OT prophecy. In fact, when quoting "Israel" from Ezekiel, they use it to mean the nation of Israel over in the Middle East.

And the pretrib rapture false doctrine of devils, I'm not even going there...

It sounds to me like the author, instead of going to the Holy Spirit for truth, recycled more of the same ole, same ole from Hal Lindsey, Tim LaHaye, et al.
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YOU GO MICHELLE!!!
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Sorry... I don't mean to sound too harsh, but this is nothing but more dispensational rubbish. Just a cursory glance at that article, they fail to even recognize the distinction between Israel and Judah in OT prophecy. In fact, when quoting "Israel" from Ezekiel, they use it to mean the nation of Israel over in the Middle East.

And the pretrib rapture false doctrine of devils, I'm not even going there...

It sounds to me like the author, instead of going to the Holy Spirit for truth, recycled more of the same ole, same ole from Hal Lindsey, Tim LaHaye, et al.


I understand, and no, you were not too harsh. Don't get lost in the argument for rapture timing. Focus on the new signs I am presenting in section III, they still have much merit, and will blow you away in excitement.

I admit, I am not 100% on pre trib. I would like it not to be, however, I believe there is a strong risk that there is, hence the urgency I am presenting here.
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Are you the author of this article? I assumed it was a cut and paste job. As I said before, I don't mean to sound too harsh. I'm sorry if you wrote the article and I offended you.

I know you say not to get lost in the argument for rapture timing, but I wholeheartedly believe it's extremely important in many respects, and that's why I feel led of the Spirit to respond to it. The pretrib rapture timing completely cuts off the Jews from the Christians, when God in His Word says in Ezekiel in the valley of dry bones prophecy that the two sticks will become one in his hand, and this is all to happen BEFORE the coming of the Lord.

There's another poster on this forum, Wingedlion, that explained the error of dispensationalism much better than I ever could, and I saved what he wrote because I thought he said it so well. So I'll copy and paste it here for you. Here's what he said:


1. It relegates only a small portion of scripture as relevant to Christians since most of the Bible was written to the "jews"

2. It makes Christians lazy concerning the Kingdom, for they see no need to "persevere to the end".

3. It causes Christians to wish for the Earth to self destruct to bring in the "rapture" sooner.

4. It causes Christians to just sit back and give the Devil control over the Earth since they are about to be taken out.

5. It supports a "superior" kind of attitude, especially toward Western Christians who have never had to suffer any persecution.

6. It makes Christians weak, and unprepared to suffer any type of persecution. If they do, it will violate their faith.

7. It causes Christians to rejoice when terrible things occur in the World, for they see it as another sign that they are about to be "taken out" of this world.

8. It causes Christians to "believe a lie" thus giving ground for Satan to do all kinds of evil work on them.

9. It paves the way for the great deception that if it were possible, would deceive the very elect.

10. It cuts out the Jews and all the promises of God to Israel as "second class citizens of the Kingdom; condemning the Jews to the Earth, while the "raptured" Christians enjoy full entrance into the Heavenlies.

I could go on, but the fact that there has not been any major move of God on this Earth for the last 100 years, shows how soon people will loose their faith when the Lord "delays His coming". The salt has lost it's savor, and is now being trodden under the foot of man. This is an insidious doctrine birthed out of the depths of Hell, to "castrate" all power away from Christianity. It appears that they have done a good job too.
Genesis 3:15: "And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel." The Nephilim "seed" are TPTB.

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You Stupid fuck OP.

Your predicted time will arrive and pass, just as it has for millions of predictions by other christer zombies.

Nothing will happen. Your crappy jesus is never ever coming.

Your make believe shitty god is never coming either.

Your silly religion is shit.

Your devil is shit.

Your heaven is shit.

Your hell is shit.

Your stinky blind faith is pure shit.

Christers are all dim witted brain dead shitheads.
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Document link for download in MS Word format.

"Maybe Soon" v 1.3

Table of Contents


I. Preface – Pg. 2

II. End Times Refresher
I. Why is it Important that We Watch? – Pg. 3
II.What are Some Signs that We Watch? – Pg. 8

III. Necessary Definitions and Clarification
I.The Rapture (Definition) – Pg. 38
II.Why I Believe in the Pre-tribulational Rapture (Timing) – Pg. 39
III.Daniels 70th Week - How it Relates to the Great Tribulation – Pg. 58
IV.The Jewish Feasts and How it Relates to End Times Prophecy – Pg. 60

IV. The Exciting Discovery
I.Preface – Dangers of Date Setting – Pg. 65
II.Signs in the Heavens – Pg. 66
III Some Interesting Mathematical Calculations – Pg. 76
IV.A Purim Connection – Pg. 81
V.Jubilee and Isaac Newton – Pg. 84
VI. The Beginning to the End – God’s Timeline – Pg. 85
VII. Conclusion – Pg. 88

V. Salvation
I. The Road to Salvation – Pg. 89

VI. Post Rapture Material
I. The Post Rapture Survival Guide – Pg. 93
II. Oops, I guess I wasn’t ready – Pg. 103
III A Second Chance at Salvation –Pg. 109

Addenda:

Post by Joshua Elsom

Note: Section III contains strongly supported speculation, however, it is still that, speculation. Obviously the conclusions generated from the signs discussed are speculative in nature and not a certainty, however, they are a very strong possibility and highly provocative.

Therefore, be aware, this is a calling to Christians for strong urgency to watch and to unbelievers to strongly consider a relationship with Jesus Christ.

Time MIGHT be very short.

9/13/2008


[link to www.fileden.com]

To download a free MicroSoft Office Word Viewer

[link to www.microsoft.com]

Calling urgency to watch for Christians and Non-Christians to WATCH. This document is intended for multiple audiences pre and post rapture.

Preface:

I realize some recipients of this material might be quick to dismiss or disregard what is being presented. This was sent to you in thought and love in Jesus Christ. Please consider reading the material at least once, and if not, at the very least, please save this is a convenient location because either yourself or someone you love may realize an urgent blatant need for the material in the coming days.

Starting in 2003, I began my studies of Christian end times prophecy. I have been absolutely fascinated and current with the subject ever since. In the following, I would like to share one of the most startling and exciting discovery of end times signs to date in my opinion. But, before I do that, I would like to review some material that leads into it and will support the overall presentation and context. Whether you as the reader are a Christian or not, I would expect this material to be absolutely fascinating, and to Christians, this will be very exciting when you examine the “Exciting Discovery”

There are several purposes to this material and how it is organized. Regardless of your current beliefs, the common theme to this article is that time might be short, for Christians this should be rather exciting, for those that are not Christians or lukewarm Christians, this material might demonstrate a need for a sense of urgency to examine your relationship with Jesus Christ.

Before you begin reading, I realize that there is a lot of material presented here and I also recognize that there could be several audience types examining this presentation. That being said, please consider the following to possibly assist:

If the rapture and/or tribulation has not yet occurred

1) If you are not a Believer or if you are a Christian who is not too familiar with end times prophecy, then I recommend starting with section I, “Why is it Important that We Watch”

2) If you are a Believer and are rather familiar with end times prophecy, then you may be comfortable skipping to section III, “The Exciting Discovery”

If the rapture and/or tribulation start has already occurred

1) If you are not a Believer, please consider reading and starting in section IV “Salvation”

2) If you are a Believer, please consider reading and starting in section V as it may prove useful.

I hope this study is useful to you in multiple capacities. God bless and I pray I meet you in Heaven someday.
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Ya it's this year,

But there are raptures and there are raptures.

I like the scienific terms.

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OP,

I respect and understand your views of a Pre-Tribulation rapture, but I find the whole PRE-anytribwhatsoever rapturitus thing a bit much as it goes against the pattern of the entire bible as God has always placed his servants to the fire to refine them.

There is much debate on the tribulation as it applies to the transformation of the dead, then the living into the spiritual bodies. I have studied this intently and find that the first period of the Tribulation is mans wrath against man. The second half of the tribulation is when God's wrath pours out upon the earth.

We are not appointed unto wrath, as in God's wrath, so a mid Trib transformation is what I would deduce from that. However, echoing the words of Corrie Ten Boom, "the world is deathly ill. It is dying. The great physician has already signed its death certificate. There is tribulation everywhere".

It is with that I decided some time ago that I would not "plan" nor hope for the rapture, but prepare the lamps and be found hard at work in the fields when he returns and nothing more. If the transformation and gathering happens before the tribulation period begins, so be it and I will praise him for it. If it happens in the middle, I will praise him for it. If it happens at the end, I will STILL praise him for it. God's will be done and not the aspirations of my own understanding and I am preparing to endure till the end, not escape at the beginning...

Man cannot even discern the times when the storm clouds are among them and one mans version of tribulation is different from another. I know Christians that cry persecution because someone states an opposing belief which is nothing short of ridiculous. There are brothers and sisters of ours being crucified, yes, I said crucified even today. For them, their tribulation has come. Not to mention the over 60 million Christians Martyred worldwide in the 20th Century that no one talks about.

I believe that the whole rapture thing has become a stumbling stone for the faithful and we should not be worrying about whether or not the rapture will happen tomorrow, but we should be working to further His Kingdom today...

In Yeshua,

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You Stupid fuck OP.

Your predicted time will arrive and pass, just as it has for millions of predictions by other christer zombies.

Nothing will happen. Your crappy jesus is never ever coming.

Your make believe shitty god is never coming either.

Your silly religion is shit.

Your devil is shit.

Your heaven is shit.

Your hell is shit.

Your stinky blind faith is pure shit.

Christers are all dim witted brain dead shitheads.
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Pretty sad. Responses made with poor grammar and scrambled arrays of profanity reveal your character exactly. I would hope that you are more intelligent and a better person than this poster, otherwise you have a really rough road in life stretched out before you of which said conditions shall multiply exponentially as each day passes...
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Sorry... I don't mean to sound too harsh, but this is nothing but more dispensational rubbish. Just a cursory glance at that article, they fail to even recognize the distinction between Israel and Judah in OT prophecy. In fact, when quoting "Israel" from Ezekiel, they use it to mean the nation of Israel over in the Middle East.

And the pretrib rapture false doctrine of devils, I'm not even going there...

It sounds to me like the author, instead of going to the Holy Spirit for truth, recycled more of the same ole, same ole from Hal Lindsey, Tim LaHaye, et al.


I understand, and no, you were not too harsh. Don't get lost in the argument for rapture timing. Focus on the new signs I am presenting in section III, they still have much merit, and will blow you away in excitement.

I admit, I am not 100% on pre trib. I would like it not to be, however, I believe there is a strong risk that there is, hence the urgency I am presenting here.


Are you the author of this article? I assumed it was a cut and paste job. As I said before, I don't mean to sound too harsh. I'm sorry if you wrote the article and I offended you.

I know you say not to get lost in the argument for rapture timing, but I wholeheartedly believe it's extremely important in many respects, and that's why I feel led of the Spirit to respond to it. The pretrib rapture timing completely cuts off the Jews from the Christians, when God in His Word says in Ezekiel in the valley of dry bones prophecy that the two sticks will become one in his hand, and this is all to happen BEFORE the coming of the Lord.

There's another poster on this forum, Wingedlion, that explained the error of dispensationalism much better than I ever could, and I saved what he wrote because I thought he said it so well. So I'll copy and paste it here for you. Here's what he said:


1. It relegates only a small portion of scripture as relevant to Christians since most of the Bible was written to the "jews"

2. It makes Christians lazy concerning the Kingdom, for they see no need to "persevere to the end".

3. It causes Christians to wish for the Earth to self destruct to bring in the "rapture" sooner.

4. It causes Christians to just sit back and give the Devil control over the Earth since they are about to be taken out.

5. It supports a "superior" kind of attitude, especially toward Western Christians who have never had to suffer any persecution.

6. It makes Christians weak, and unprepared to suffer any type of persecution. If they do, it will violate their faith.

7. It causes Christians to rejoice when terrible things occur in the World, for they see it as another sign that they are about to be "taken out" of this world.

8. It causes Christians to "believe a lie" thus giving ground for Satan to do all kinds of evil work on them.

9. It paves the way for the great deception that if it were possible, would deceive the very elect.

10. It cuts out the Jews and all the promises of God to Israel as "second class citizens of the Kingdom; condemning the Jews to the Earth, while the "raptured" Christians enjoy full entrance into the Heavenlies.

I could go on, but the fact that there has not been any major move of God on this Earth for the last 100 years, shows how soon people will loose their faith when the Lord "delays His coming". The salt has lost it's savor, and is now being trodden under the foot of man. This is an insidious doctrine birthed out of the depths of Hell, to "castrate" all power away from Christianity. It appears that they have done a good job too.
 Quoting: Michelle


Michelle,

Absolutely no offense taken. :)

I did not author much of the material, some of it, but it is mostly an edited cut and past of material I agree with.

I agree with you, it is possible the rapture is not pre trib, and it is possible that some of the arguments you gave are legit. I have been pre-trib, mid trib, post-trib, and pre wrath in rapture timing at one time or another, and I have been unable to discredit any one of those positions completely. From examining the OT and NT from a big picture, I did come to the conclusion that pre trib is likely, though I would prefer it not to be. I would prefer to go through the trib, as I have many unsaved friends and family. We are prepared to be here for the trib physically, mentally, and spiritually, thought I believe there is a strong risk for pre trib. I believe it is very possible if not likely.

If this speculation of timing is correct, I guess we might see. Either the trib will start and we will still be here, or the rapture will happen.

The meat of the material is that the trib starts this Feast of the Trumpets and Christ returns on the Day of Atonement 2015. I am hoping that is what most of the discussion can surround.
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You Stupid fuck OP.

Your predicted time will arrive and pass, just as it has for millions of predictions by other christer zombies.

Nothing will happen. Your crappy jesus is never ever coming.

Your make believe shitty god is never coming either.

Your silly religion is shit.

Your devil is shit.

Your heaven is shit.

Your hell is shit.

Your stinky blind faith is pure shit.

Christers are all dim witted brain dead shitheads.

Pretty sad. Responses made with poor grammar and scrambled arrays of profanity reveal your character exactly. I would hope that you are more intelligent and a better person than this poster, otherwise you have a really rough road in life stretched out before you of which said conditions shall multiply exponentially as each day passes...
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Hahahaha. Well my grammer and my profanity have nothing to do with the fact that your dick sucking god and jesus are entirely imaginary sonny boy.

Imaginary supernatural beings are obviously useless.

Therefore your ass licking god and your big asshole jesus are entirely useless.

Your religion is usless except for collecting money under a fraudlent premise from lame and halt moron christers like you.

Basically you and your religoon are shit. You have shit for brains.

So you can stick your sorry assed god and your dick sucking jesus up your sorry asshole. K?
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OP,

I respect and understand your views of a Pre-Tribulation rapture, but I find the whole PRE-anytribwhatsoever rapturitus thing a bit much as it goes against the pattern of the entire bible as God has always placed his servants to the fire to refine them.

There is much debate on the tribulation as it applies to the transformation of the dead, then the living into the spiritual bodies. I have studied this intently and find that the first period of the Tribulation is mans wrath against man. The second half of the tribulation is when God's wrath pours out upon the earth.

We are not appointed unto wrath, as in God's wrath, so a mid Trib transformation is what I would deduce from that. However, echoing the words of Corrie Ten Boom, "the world is deathly ill. It is dying. The great physician has already signed its death certificate. There is tribulation everywhere".

It is with that I decided some time ago that I would not "plan" nor hope for the rapture, but prepare the lamps and be found hard at work in the fields when he returns and nothing more. If the transformation and gathering happens before the tribulation period begins, so be it and I will praise him for it. If it happens in the middle, I will praise him for it. If it happens at the end, I will STILL praise him for it. God's will be done and not the aspirations of my own understanding and I am preparing to endure till the end, not escape at the beginning...

Man cannot even discern the times when the storm clouds are among them and one mans version of tribulation is different from another. I know Christians that cry persecution because someone states an opposing belief which is nothing short of ridiculous. There are brothers and sisters of ours being crucified, yes, I said crucified even today. For them, their tribulation has come. Not to mention the over 60 million Christians Martyred worldwide in the 20th Century that no one talks about.

I believe that the whole rapture thing has become a stumbling stone for the faithful and we should not be worrying about whether or not the rapture will happen tomorrow, but we should be working to further His Kingdom today...

In Yeshua,

John
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 480668


John, the whole rapture timing thing certainly has become a stumbling block. I agree. To me, it does not matter too much...I prefer more of a pan trib perspective when it comes to discussion, though personally, I am stuck on pre trib, however, maybe that will change on Oct. 2nd LOL.

In the material are the most blatant and amazing signs I have ever seen pointing to when Christ will likely be returning. That is the most exciting thing I could imagine if I was still on Earth, I sincerely hope that some will read about these signs I have presented, examine them for what they could mean, and seek God's discernment as to whether these signs mean something.
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You Stupid fuck OP.

Your predicted time will arrive and pass, just as it has for millions of predictions by other christer zombies.

Nothing will happen. Your crappy jesus is never ever coming.

Your make believe shitty god is never coming either.

Your silly religion is shit.

Your devil is shit.

Your heaven is shit.

Your hell is shit.

Your stinky blind faith is pure shit.

Christers are all dim witted brain dead shitheads.

Pretty sad. Responses made with poor grammar and scrambled arrays of profanity reveal your character exactly. I would hope that you are more intelligent and a better person than this poster, otherwise you have a really rough road in life stretched out before you of which said conditions shall multiply exponentially as each day passes...
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I am glad he/she is here, if the speculation in the material is correct, at least he/she can come back to read the material.
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Very well researched and written! I appreciate your gentle nature towards non-christians throughout the text. You have the spirit and it shows.

I can't see any reason to argue any of the content, and it strikes me as very convienient that the whole 2012 thing is going full-forward everywhere, possibly trying to take away the idea of "The Tribulation" away and replacing it with "The Galactic Crossing"...or in other words blame the trib on anything but the accuracy of Biblical Prophecy which would confirm Christ and bring people into salvation.

*Sigh* I feel like a cheerleader for Christ and Christianity. I don't actually play the game but I do root it all on. I want it all to be true, and I want to feel it in my soul. I want to believe, but the final, all encompassing belief never comes and I feel lost and damned.

Well, at least when this stuff goes down I will be educated enough to help other people get there, and maybe myself in the process? One can hope. -GB
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OP,

I respect and understand your views of a Pre-Tribulation rapture, but I find the whole PRE-anytribwhatsoever rapturitus thing a bit much as it goes against the pattern of the entire bible as God has always placed his servants to the fire to refine them.

There is much debate on the tribulation as it applies to the transformation of the dead, then the living into the spiritual bodies. I have studied this intently and find that the first period of the Tribulation is mans wrath against man. The second half of the tribulation is when God's wrath pours out upon the earth.

We are not appointed unto wrath, as in God's wrath, so a mid Trib transformation is what I would deduce from that. However, echoing the words of Corrie Ten Boom, "the world is deathly ill. It is dying. The great physician has already signed its death certificate. There is tribulation everywhere".

It is with that I decided some time ago that I would not "plan" nor hope for the rapture, but prepare the lamps and be found hard at work in the fields when he returns and nothing more. If the transformation and gathering happens before the tribulation period begins, so be it and I will praise him for it. If it happens in the middle, I will praise him for it. If it happens at the end, I will STILL praise him for it. God's will be done and not the aspirations of my own understanding and I am preparing to endure till the end, not escape at the beginning...

Man cannot even discern the times when the storm clouds are among them and one mans version of tribulation is different from another. I know Christians that cry persecution because someone states an opposing belief which is nothing short of ridiculous. There are brothers and sisters of ours being crucified, yes, I said crucified even today. For them, their tribulation has come. Not to mention the over 60 million Christians Martyred worldwide in the 20th Century that no one talks about.

I believe that the whole rapture thing has become a stumbling stone for the faithful and we should not be worrying about whether or not the rapture will happen tomorrow, but we should be working to further His Kingdom today...

In Yeshua,

John


John, the whole rapture timing thing certainly has become a stumbling block. I agree. To me, it does not matter too much...I prefer more of a pan trib perspective when it comes to discussion, though personally, I am stuck on pre trib, however, maybe that will change on Oct. 2nd LOL.

In the material are the most blatant and amazing signs I have ever seen pointing to when Christ will likely be returning. That is the most exciting thing I could imagine if I was still on Earth, I sincerely hope that some will read about these signs I have presented, examine them for what they could mean, and seek God's discernment as to whether these signs mean something.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 473638

That is my view as well. Pan Tribber here. The New year is almost here and I would have to agree that there are signs everywhere, and more so than some want to hear.

I am currently writing a book about everything under the sun. The Vatican, the Ten Kings that received their kingdom in 2004, the Revived Roman empire, Islam, symbols, pagan gods and goddesses and the works to hopefully open peoples eyes. I was just in Italy at Emperor Hadrian's old villa and which was rebuilt by a Cardinal which is one of the most pagan sites I have ever been to. Eternal Virgins all over the place like Isis, Venus, Pandora, Diana etc. accompanied by statues of Jupiter and Neptune and more. They had a fountain there that was placed for Pope Gregory XIII (who changed the set times btw to todays Gregorian Calendar) that is 4 dragons spewing forth water. Go Figure.

If one wants to learn what the Vatican truly believes(For they appear as a Lamb, yet speak as a dragon), they need look no further than St peters Square and recognize the symbolism as it depicts the intercourse between two fallen angelic/human beings.

Symbol of Baal - Recessed, Rt Hand side
Baal
St Peters
:St Peters :
Star of Astarte (fertility Goddess) aka the Eastern Star
:astarte:

Pope bows to Fatima aka "The Queen of Heaven" and Muhammads favorite Daughter
:popequeeno:

Joel or Amos states in the direct Hebrew translation by the JPS "their "EYE" has gone throughout the entire earth"
:Priest dev:

Here is a Catholic Church in Poland - A picture is sometimes worth more than a thousand words.

:Catholic P:
Want to know who sits at the top of the Pyramid? They don;t call it the Un Holy "SEE" for nothing...

Just a tiny piece of what we will be presenting.
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Sorry... I don't mean to sound too harsh, but this is nothing but more dispensational rubbish. Just a cursory glance at that article, they fail to even recognize the distinction between Israel and Judah in OT prophecy. In fact, when quoting "Israel" from Ezekiel, they use it to mean the nation of Israel over in the Middle East.

And the pretrib rapture false doctrine of devils, I'm not even going there...

It sounds to me like the author, instead of going to the Holy Spirit for truth, recycled more of the same ole, same ole from Hal Lindsey, Tim LaHaye, et al.


I understand, and no, you were not too harsh. Don't get lost in the argument for rapture timing. Focus on the new signs I am presenting in section III, they still have much merit, and will blow you away in excitement.

I admit, I am not 100% on pre trib. I would like it not to be, however, I believe there is a strong risk that there is, hence the urgency I am presenting here.
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Sorry, I meant section IV, the exciting discover section, not section III
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A couple of books you may want to get OP. Really good stuff herecheers I will read through your article when I have time. I am currently reading Josephus and Temple at the center of Time so I will have to get to it after...

Temple at the center of time - Isaac Newton codex analysis

God's war on Terror. - Walid Shoebat - Former PLO Terrorist on Islam

The Exodus Case - (They found the crossing site of the Exodus and the Pharoahs army beneath the Red sea encrusted in coral)

DVD - Mountain Of Fire - The Hunt for the real Mt Sinai (They really found it. In Saudi Arabia at Jebel al Lawz. Amazing thing is that all the locals in the area know that and call it Mt Moses)
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please cern create that black hole lets get out of this unholy world!lol
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You Stupid fuck OP.

Your predicted time will arrive and pass, just as it has for millions of predictions by other christer zombies.

Nothing will happen. Your crappy jesus is never ever coming.

Your make believe shitty god is never coming either.

Your silly religion is shit.

Your devil is shit.

Your heaven is shit.

Your hell is shit.

Your stinky blind faith is pure shit.

Christers are all dim witted brain dead shitheads.

Pretty sad. Responses made with poor grammar and scrambled arrays of profanity reveal your character exactly. I would hope that you are more intelligent and a better person than this poster, otherwise you have a really rough road in life stretched out before you of which said conditions shall multiply exponentially as each day passes...


I am glad he/she is here, if the speculation in the material is correct, at least he/she can come back to read the material.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 473638


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Christers don't have a real god. That's why it never shows up.

Its a 6,000 year no show.

It's not real.

It's only a make believe god.

It can't ever come.

It cant do a fucking thing.

Its imaginary.

350,000 churches brainwash the public several times weekly.

They do that so they can continue to collect all that tax free cash every week.

Take away all those billions $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ in free cash, and your religion would be dumped in the shitter where it belongs.

The christer religion is all about money, just like Santa Clause.
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Coming Crisis Before USA Elections?!

A very honorable and popular media news journalist*, who wishes to remain anonymous, took the time to share with us the following...

In regards to what it says in the Zohar HaKadosh: "...President Gog Bush will visit Israel 3 times. But between his second and third visit, something will occur that will cause the USA elections to be cancelled and President Bush will remain the president.

Let me share a story Bill Dull told me this past week July 21, 2008. It is sobering and not from one who is a rumor-monger or paranoid tale-spreader. Bill Dull, as many know, is a solid, reputable missionary to India for many years, who with his wife, has established 2 orphanages and 2 seminaries in India plus 2 institutions in USA - Beautiful Valley in WV along with a beautiful SDA church still there even though the little academy closed many years ago; also Living Springs in NY which closed finally last year because the NY officials wouldn't quit taxing them unmercifully even though they were tax exempt. God has blessed them in many ventures.

He has a close relative in another state (Wildwood, GA) that called him just about 2 weeks ago with the following story. This man was raised SDA but is not one now. He is obviously beginning to think about Bible prophecy by relating this to Bill. He is wealthy and owns a business. His wife also owns a lucrative business selling fashionable women's things. People come from all over the state to her store. Two days before this phone call to Bill she received a client - a wealthy lady friend of hers and client - who told her this:

"My son is a Catholic priest - high up in the US hierarchy of priests. He goes to the Vatican (in Rome, Italy) about every 2 weeks and just returned 2 days ago. He told me - 'Mother, before the elections in November there will be a great crisis in the United States. Because of this crisis, life as we know it now will never be the same again. The American lifestyle will change and no-one will ever be able to carry it out the same again - never!'"

Why would a priest go back and forth every 2 weeks or so to the Vatican if he weren't involved in planning "the crisis" - whatever that is that will affect everyone of us.
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Coming Crisis Before USA Elections?!

A very honorable and popular media news journalist*, who wishes to remain anonymous, took the time to share with us the following...

In regards to what it says in the Zohar HaKadosh: "...President Gog Bush will visit Israel 3 times. But between his second and third visit, something will occur that will cause the USA elections to be cancelled and President Bush will remain the president.

Let me share a story Bill Dull told me this past week July 21, 2008. It is sobering and not from one who is a rumor-monger or paranoid tale-spreader. Bill Dull, as many know, is a solid, reputable missionary to India for many years, who with his wife, has established 2 orphanages and 2 seminaries in India plus 2 institutions in USA - Beautiful Valley in WV along with a beautiful SDA church still there even though the little academy closed many years ago; also Living Springs in NY which closed finally last year because the NY officials wouldn't quit taxing them unmercifully even though they were tax exempt. God has blessed them in many ventures.

He has a close relative in another state (Wildwood, GA) that called him just about 2 weeks ago with the following story. This man was raised SDA but is not one now. He is obviously beginning to think about Bible prophecy by relating this to Bill. He is wealthy and owns a business. His wife also owns a lucrative business selling fashionable women's things. People come from all over the state to her store. Two days before this phone call to Bill she received a client - a wealthy lady friend of hers and client - who told her this:

"My son is a Catholic priest - high up in the US hierarchy of priests. He goes to the Vatican (in Rome, Italy) about every 2 weeks and just returned 2 days ago. He told me - 'Mother, before the elections in November there will be a great crisis in the United States. Because of this crisis, life as we know it now will never be the same again. The American lifestyle will change and no-one will ever be able to carry it out the same again - never!'"

Why would a priest go back and forth every 2 weeks or so to the Vatican if he weren't involved in planning "the crisis" - whatever that is that will affect everyone of us.
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*Sigh* I feel like a cheerleader for Christ and Christianity. I don't actually play the game but I do root it all on. I want it all to be true, and I want to feel it in my soul. I want to believe, but the final, all encompassing belief never comes and I feel lost and damned.

Well, at least when this stuff goes down I will be educated enough to help other people get there, and maybe myself in the process? One can hope. -GB
 Quoting: Greg_B.

Yes.
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You Stupid fuck OP.

Your predicted time will arrive and pass, just as it has for millions of predictions by other christer zombies.

Nothing will happen. Your crappy jesus is never ever coming.

Your make believe shitty god is never coming either.

Your silly religion is shit.

Your devil is shit.

Your heaven is shit.

Your hell is shit.

Your stinky blind faith is pure shit.

Christers are all dim witted brain dead shitheads.

Pretty sad. Responses made with poor grammar and scrambled arrays of profanity reveal your character exactly. I would hope that you are more intelligent and a better person than this poster, otherwise you have a really rough road in life stretched out before you of which said conditions shall multiply exponentially as each day passes...


I am glad he/she is here, if the speculation in the material is correct, at least he/she can come back to read the material.


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Christers don't have a real god. That's why it never shows up.

Its a 6,000 year no show.

It's not real.

It's only a make believe god.

It can't ever come.

It cant do a fucking thing.

Its imaginary.

350,000 churches brainwash the public several times weekly.

They do that so they can continue to collect all that tax free cash every week.

Take away all those billions $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ in free cash, and your religion would be dumped in the shitter where it belongs.

The christer religion is all about money, just like Santa Clause.
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You know better.

Or you really have a vile soul.

Why such spastic hostility?





GLP