OP,

I respect and understand your views of a Pre-Tribulation rapture, but I find the whole PRE-anytribwhatsoever rapturitus thing a bit much as it goes against the pattern of the entire bible as God has always placed his servants to the fire to refine them.

There is much debate on the tribulation as it applies to the transformation of the dead, then the living into the spiritual bodies. I have studied this intently and find that the first period of the Tribulation is mans wrath against man. The second half of the tribulation is when God's wrath pours out upon the earth.

We are not appointed unto wrath, as in God's wrath, so a mid Trib transformation is what I would deduce from that. However, echoing the words of Corrie Ten Boom, "the world is deathly ill. It is dying. The great physician has already signed its death certificate. There is tribulation everywhere".

It is with that I decided some time ago that I would not "plan" nor hope for the rapture, but prepare the lamps and be found hard at work in the fields when he returns and nothing more. If the transformation and gathering happens before the tribulation period begins, so be it and I will praise him for it. If it happens in the middle, I will praise him for it. If it happens at the end, I will STILL praise him for it. God's will be done and not the aspirations of my own understanding and I am preparing to endure till the end, not escape at the beginning...

Man cannot even discern the times when the storm clouds are among them and one mans version of tribulation is different from another. I know Christians that cry persecution because someone states an opposing belief which is nothing short of ridiculous. There are brothers and sisters of ours being crucified, yes, I said crucified even today. For them, their tribulation has come. Not to mention the over 60 million Christians Martyred worldwide in the 20th Century that no one talks about.

I believe that the whole rapture thing has become a stumbling stone for the faithful and we should not be worrying about whether or not the rapture will happen tomorrow, but we should be working to further His Kingdom today...

In Yeshua,

John


John, the whole rapture timing thing certainly has become a stumbling block. I agree. To me, it does not matter too much...I prefer more of a pan trib perspective when it comes to discussion, though personally, I am stuck on pre trib, however, maybe that will change on Oct. 2nd LOL.

In the material are the most blatant and amazing signs I have ever seen pointing to when Christ will likely be returning. That is the most exciting thing I could imagine if I was still on Earth, I sincerely hope that some will read about these signs I have presented, examine them for what they could mean, and seek God's discernment as to whether these signs mean something.