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30 dead from Galveston? I am SOOOO not buying the death toll!

 
Ysosecret?
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30 dead from Galveston? I am SOOOO not buying the death toll!
I don't understand why the cover-up on the death toll. I went through Andrew in Florida, lost everything in Houston in 2000 and I'm an x-cop from Houston. You cannot tell me the have only found 30 dead. NOT POSSIBLE from what I've seen. The question is why down play the loss of life? We all know better. What purpose does it serve. Anyone?
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Some GLP'er from Houston/Galveston should start getting names of the M.I.A. I'd bet my annual salary that their #'s vs. Houston/Galveston's #'s would be night and day.
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POLITICAL AND ECONOMICAL, AS WELL AS EVERYTHING IN BETWEEN.

WITHOLDING INFORMATION IN EFFORT TO KEEP COSTS, OUTRAGE, QUESTIONS, AND NATIONAL EMBARRASMENT TO A MINIMUM. IF THE TRUTH IS REVEALED, PANDORAS BOX WILL BE OPEN, AND SHIT- PEOPLE MAY START TO REALISE THAT THEIR LEADERS ARE CORRUPT.
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My guess... weather war. Gov doesn't want the perpetrators to know how effective they were... at least, not yet.
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WallStreet insured a lot of Galveston and they are broke. can't afford to play this up. Also the death toll has to be so high that they could never admit to it and show how incompantant they are. especially after they Hyped Homeland Security as the answer to everything. Also the Bio Lab might be leaking and the death toll has only started. They might be trying to blame IKE on the Bio leak as people in Texas die and it clears the way for the Nafta highway, Martial law and G.W. as our new king!
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It's not like it won't come out. It will. What is the advantage of delaying such info? Your answer doesn't explain that and anyway, you were screaming so I am hesitant of your info :)
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All this with IKE is so downplayed in media AND on GLP, I read someplace that 2.000.000 people where displaced, isn't that a enormous amount of people
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I heard 260 but I can't remember the source
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WallStreet insured a lot of Galveston and they are broke. can't afford to play this up. Also the death toll has to be so high that they could never admit to it and show how incompantant they are. especially after they Hyped Homeland Security as the answer to everything. Also the Bio Lab might be leaking and the death toll has only started. They might be trying to blame IKE on the Bio leak as people in Texas die and it clears the way for the Nafta highway, Martial law and G.W. as our new king!
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Thanks Rota. That makes sense but do they really tink we will swallow it? Do they not know that after Rita & Katrina we will be watching them like hawks, cause I AM!
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All this with IKE is so downplayed in media AND on GLP, I read someplace that 2.000.000 people where displaced, isn't that a enormous amount of people
 Quoting: svenne 112531

Yes. It is an unbelievable number as it is tragic.
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Maybe it should be 30 FOUND dead.
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My guess... weather war. Gov doesn't want the perpetrators to know how effective they were... at least, not yet.
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Could be, could be... never let your enemy know how hard they hit you... make them find out for themselves. In such a scenario, who threw this weapon at the USA? But that is another thread... or is it?
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As the other poster noted, what's the value in delaying the inevitable news? I lean towards the 'weather war' conclusion because of the delay issue.

Insurance co's have always been able to drag things out when they don't want to make quick settlements.

The storm isn't the government's fault (unless they really are engaged in weather war, or are seeding storms via chemtrails or some other means).

Any fault on the part of local officials who gave bad advice about evacuating isn't on the fed's head anyhow, and the fed is obviously calling the shots on the blackout. Besides, the "certain death" evacuation warning was all over the TV for a full day before Ike hit. So the delay to manage bad planning doesn't seem viable to me.

If they were only worried about not showing bodies on TV, they'd have no reason to not let reporters know that was the reason.. there are many dead but we wont' let you film until all kin are advised. So that's not it.

I think another distinct possibility is that this is a drill. The gov't is testing the population to see just how far they can go in blatently withholding information. And if that's what's happening, they must be delighted with the results. Where are the crowds. queuing up outside CNN's studios demanding answers? Where are the protestors in Texas? Even Alex Jones doesn't seem to be railing against the machine (unless I missed that segment). Everyone's just sitting back and taking it, for the most part.

You'd think all the relatives would be storming the TX state capitol, but apparently not. Just picture what's gone on in years past when an airplane goes down. Next of kin have swarmed the airline offices, fiercely demanding news. Why isn't it happening? Perhaps everyone is now so numbed down by whatever koolaid we're drinking... and the mind control
test is a great success.

I'm just saying...
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Re: 30 dead from Galveston? I am SOOOO not buying the death toll!
I am SOOOOO not buying it either !
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Is there a way to find out who's been killed? ive been trying for DAYS to find out if my friend who lives there is ok!!! I cant find anything to look for names of the missng or dead. if someone knows email me @ brittanie_blokker@ hotmail.com
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Is there a way to find out who's been killed? ive been trying for DAYS to find out if my friend who lives there is ok!!! I cant find anything to look for names of the missng or dead. if someone knows email me @ brittanie_blokker@ hotmail.com
 Quoting: imasillyone 505175



Get in touch with the Mayor of Galveston, she is an Old Lady, and will talk if she knows.

If it is the Federal she will tel you.

Contact her and tell her you are from the media demanding answers.
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"Quite frankly we are reaching a health crisis for the people who remain on the island," LeBlanc said. At least a third of the community's 60,000 residents remained in their homes.

[link to www.foxnews.com]

Now tell me that there was only 30 dead, most of these are not from Galveston. 60,000 people stayed behind. Come on this is such BS. I would bet the number is in the thousands.... I live in Spring TX and we got hit hard by the storm. FEMA has done nothing and every time you call its busy. They are waiting for others to do it on there own when they in fact can not. Power will be out they say 2 to 4 weeks. If they have sent so much help as they advertise then we would not be in this mess. The GOV sucks donkey @%$* I think there is a big injustice in the GOV and them trying to pro-tray that they are the heroes when in all they are zeros. Just think all your hard earned tax paying money is going on a new toilet seat and not going to the places where it is needed. They will spend billions on BS and have a hard time spending money just so a person can stay at a hotel. I have a pregnant wife and 2 small children you think that any hospital wants to see her? Think again because they say she has chip we can not be seen. WHAT IS WRONG WITH THIS COUNTRY? This all has truly been a night mare and it feels like the media is brushing things under the mat. We all know how the GOV and media are in close to each other. Thats all I have to say. wtf
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Why don't people take pictures of them with their cell phones and send them to GLP?
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Better yet, Email them to me.

[email protected]. I will compile and put on You Tube with a song about our filthy lying commie government.
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Well you have to remember that some places haven't been searched yet and I think that the death toll will rise.

I live in San Antonio and this morning on the local news they said so far here in SA we have processed 11,000 people into shelters 2,750 of which are still here and that doesn't include the people that were bused out to Dallas and other areas. So I guess my point would be that a lot of people were evacuated in time. Un-like what happened in New Orleans. People are even camping out in our State Parks due to Hotels being out of rooms here. But Ike was a really strong storm and it devastated the Galveston/Houston areas.
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30 may well be all they found...the place is wiped clean in a lot of place...not even debris in some areas...that tells me you won't find alot of dead...they got washed out with the houses. So very sad
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30 may well be all they found...the place is wiped clean in a lot of place...not even debris in some areas...that tells me you won't find alot of dead...they got washed out with the houses. So very sad
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Yes very sad. I agree, a lot of these communities where people chose to stay were right on the beach so they most likely got washed back to sea.

I was in Galveston last year about this time and its was so nice they had really spruced up Seawall blvd. They really made it nice. The last day we were there we had an early dinner at a restaurant directly across from the beach on Seawall blvd. Anyhoo the sun was setting and we had our frosty drinks in hand that will be how I remember Galveston. I hope they rebuild just as strong.
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Some of Ike's Missing May Have Been Swept Out to Sea
Thursday, September 18, 2008


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GALVESTON, Texas The death toll from Hurricane Ike is remarkably low so far, considering that legions of people stayed behind as the storm obliterated row after row of homes along the Texas coast. But officials suspect there are more victims out there and say some might simply have been swept out to sea.

Exactly how many is anybody's guess, because authorities had no sure way to track those who defied evacuation orders. And the number of people reported missing after the storm, whose death toll stands at 16 in Texas, is fluctuating.

Search-and-rescue crews cleared out Wednesday after plucking survivors from Galveston and the devastated Bolivar Peninsula, and authorities are relying on Red Cross workers and beach patrols to run welfare checks on people named by anxious relatives.

"We don't know what's out there in the wilds," said Galveston County medical examiner Stephen Pustilniks. "Searchers weren't looking for bodies; they were looking for survivors."

As the hurricane closed in, authorities estimated that 90,000 people ignored evacuation orders along the Gulf Coast. Post-storm rescuers in Galveston and the peninsula removed about 3,500 people, but another 6,000 refused to leave.

Nobody is suggesting that tens of thousands died, but determining what happened to those unaccounted for is a painstaking task that could leave survivors wondering for months or years to come.

Authorities concede that at least some of those who haven't turned up could have been washed out to sea, as at least one woman on the peninsula apparently was, and that other bodies might still be found.

"I'm not Pollyana. I think we will find some," said Galveston County Judge Jim Yarbrough, the county's highest-ranking elected official.

Pustilniks' office brought in two refrigerated tractor-trailers to store bodies until autopsies are performed. One sat in front of the medical examiner's office Wednesday morning with a sign on the side: "Jesus Christ is Lord not a cuss word."

By the afternoon, five deaths had been reported in Galveston County: one man who drowned in his pickup, another found inside a motel, two dialysis patients who could not get to their treatment, and a woman with cancer whose oxygen machine shut down.

The stench of rotting animals and livestock polluted the once-picturesque community of Crystal Beach, where about two dozen people stayed behind. One survivor told of seeing a friend wrenched from the rafters by the storm's fury and swept out to sea.

In evacuation shelters hundreds of miles from the coast, displaced residents like the loved ones of victims of 2005's Hurricane Katrina scrolled through address books and blog postings and anxiously dialed relatives, friends and neighbors not heard from.

On an Internet forum where survivors listed notes giving their whereabouts and asking for news of the missing, the messages revealed the growing anxiety and frustration of those desperate for some word about their loved ones.

"Anyone know Rosa who lived on the end towards the bay in gilchrist on Dolphin rd? She didnt have a vehicle and last we heard she was staying?"

And this message: "If ANYONE KNOWS WHERE MY FATHER IS OR KNOWS IF HE IS ALIVE AND WELL, PLEASE PLEASE LET ME KNOW. I AM HEARTBROKEN!!"

In Galveston County, where about 15,000 residents stayed behind, officials did not have an exact number of missing residents. The Red Cross is helping track down the missing by setting up registries at shelters and sending workers on welfare checks, Yarbrough said.

At Galveston's emergency management center, 12 phone lines rang constantly with calls from people trying to find relatives. As the calls came in, the city's beach patrol would go to the homes and check.

Sometimes, the searches end in relief. The Red Cross quickly found an elderly Galveston couple reported missing Wednesday morning by relatives in Wyoming, Yarbrough said.

The search echoes the chaos following Katrina in 2005, when bodies were turning up more than a year after the storm as ruined homes were dismantled and families returned after months away. Katrina killed more than 1,600 people.

In that storm, there was no way to track people who left the city. The situation worsened when more than 100,000 New Orleanians who took refuge in Houston had to scatter again a few weeks later for Hurricane Rita.

Authorities opened a center in Baton Rouge, La., to take reports of people who were missing. And just as Ike survivors are doing now, volunteers there turned into amateur detectives digging through Web sites that sprouted for missing families and calling nursing homes and hospitals.

The center for the missing closed nearly a year after Katrina, when authorities said they had finally exhausted leads.

Brownsville resident Amy Woodside has posted several messages online trying to track down friends who may have succumbed to Ike.

"I'm worried about everybody who is still unaccounted for," she said. "We may never find some of them."
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wouldn't the bodies eventually get washed back to the beaches?
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wouldn't the bodies eventually get washed back to the beaches?
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Well since they said the over 4000 dead cattle were being eaten by alligators...I'm sure some of them are under water and debris that is still submerged...I think that is part of the problem in some areas...Its still flooded.
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I say wrongful Death , While it is true that they issued the most dire of warnings, The Certain Death one that only comes VIA the worse Major Disasters , They refused to let the people know that it was not the winds alone the people had to worry about,

I think many folks stayed behind because of the fact this storm was a Cat 2 ~ These folks whom stayed behind were not expecting what can only be phrased as a Pressure Bomb .

A Stronger warning here could have saved lives , Like the word Tsunami hitting instead of enhanced waves high from a storm surge .This had the waves and power at landfall of a Catastrophic Cat 5 system , Yet the winds of only a Cat 2

I have never seen this type of damage from any other Cat 2 ~ This is a new type of storm in yet is a hybrid at the same time

And to look at the after effects in the Ohio River Valley ~ AKA The Wind Storm 2008 which case was a direct result of this storm , This all leaves one asking only more questions , And they are not very forthcoming with their answers , Nor do I expect them to be anytime soon .

How many dead , Safely I think we can say thousands , How many will go down in the books ~ Not as many that were really lost
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Dolly First and Ike Second both in TTC - 69 area & Both were also along Priority Corridors

Landfall 948.9/ 112.4kts


[link to christodd.ipower.com]

Texas Highway plan above

And recall all that Mid West Flooding early this year

Nasco Map below

[link to christodd.ipower.com]
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People searching for missing just from Bolivar Island.

Wow...

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I don't understand why the cover-up on the death toll. I went through Andrew in Florida, lost everything in Houston in 2000 and I'm an x-cop from Houston. You cannot tell me the have only found 30 dead. NOT POSSIBLE from what I've seen. The question is why down play the loss of life? We all know better. What purpose does it serve. Anyone?
 Quoting: Ysosecret? 503739

Maybe they don't know the amount dead because they all washed out to sea and there are no bodies. Probably pretty hard to estimate death toll if unsure how many people remained and how many people are actually missing. In a storm surge that large bodies may have been taking miles out to sea.
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I don't understand why the cover-up on the death toll. I went through Andrew in Florida, lost everything in Houston in 2000 and I'm an x-cop from Houston. You cannot tell me the have only found 30 dead. NOT POSSIBLE from what I've seen. The question is why down play the loss of life? We all know better. What purpose does it serve. Anyone?
 Quoting: Ysosecret? 503739



They haven't been able to get in to all areas and sift through all the rubble yet.

Plus there are people that are just "missing" - swept out to sea? - swept into culverts?, etc...or merely evacuated at the last minute.

It will take time to sort it all out.
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Some GLP'er from Houston/Galveston should start getting names of the M.I.A. I'd bet my annual salary that their #'s vs. Houston/Galveston's #'s would be night and day.
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It's already being done here locally. Lists of lost and found people.





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