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How 6,700 Tons of Radioactive Sand from Kuwait Ended Up in IDAHO!!!

 
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How 6,700 Tons of Radioactive Sand from Kuwait Ended Up in Idaho

By Penny Coleman, AlterNet. Posted September 17, 2008.



Questions remain about how depleted uranium waste from the first Gulf War was transferred, and whether health risks were posed.


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On April 26, 2008, the BBC Alabama arrived in Longview, Wash., carrying 6,700 tons of Kuwaiti sand. The sand had become contaminated with depleted uranium when U.S. military vehicles and munitions caught fire at Doha Army base in Kuwait during the 1991 Gulf War. The depleted uranium was being repatriated. The sand was a gift of the Kuwaiti government.

So was the cost of repatriation. Neither government will discuss just how much the tab was.

The Longview Daily News reported that Mike Wilcox, vice president of the International Longshoremen's and Warehousemen's Union Local 21, initially had been "concerned about the safety of longshoremen and the entire community when he heard a shipment of depleted uranium was coming into Longview."

But the U.S. Nuclear Regulatory Commission determined that the sand contained "unimportant quantities" of radioactive material, and officials from the Department of Health would be available to test radiation levels -- just in case any of the sand spilled.

At the last minute, the Army notified port authorities that tests had revealed that the sand was also contaminated with lead -- in fact, four times more lead than the EPA's limit for hazardous materials. Transshipment was delayed for a few days awaiting a green light from the EPA.

Wilcox told the Daily News that he hoped the delivery would be a one-time thing.

Over the next month, longshoremen loaded 160 containers onto railcars bound for an Idaho-based waste disposal site owned by a company called American Ecology. When the sand arrived at the Idaho site, the company did its own tests and, as Chad Hyslop, project director for American Ecology, told the Daily News, "found no hazardous levels of lead."

Doug Rokke, who quit his job directing the cleanup of radioactive battlefields for the Army, contacted American Ecology and discovered "that they had absolutely no knowledge of U.S. Army Regulation 700-48, U.S. Army PAM 700-48, U.S. Army Technical Bulletin 9-1300-278, and all of the medical orders dealing with depleted uranium contamination, environmental remediation procedures, safety and medical care."

Hazardous materials storage has become a lucrative and growing business, especially since Donald Rumsfeld began implementing his plans for a sleek new "global cavalry" capable of swift and lethal response from strategically placed "frontier stockades" to punish bad guys whenever and wherever they have been bad. According to the Pentagon's annual "Base Structure Report," which itemizes its foreign and domestic military real estate, the Department of Defense currently operates more than 800 such bases around the world; 5,311 if you count the ones in American territories and on the U.S. mainland; probably well over 6,000 if you count the ones, like Doha in Kuwait, that for some reason didn't make the list. (Similarly omitted are all U.S. bases in Iraq, Afghanistan, Israel, Kyrgyzstan, Qatar and Uzbekistan.)

Rumsfeld, coyly switching metaphors, referred to them as "lily pads," which is about as convincing a euphemism as "American Ecology." Lily pads may sound greener and friendlier than, say, "footprint," which makes one at least think of boot heels, but it is safe to assume -- because there has never been an exception -- that every one of those bases is an environmental disaster area. The U.S. military is the most profligate polluter on the planet.

The Thule base in Greenland, for example, was sort of a pioneer lily pad. In the '40s, it was a convenient hop, skip and a bomber run to Berlin, and later it was part of the Cold War surveillance network. In 1953, the U.S. Navy sailed into Thule Harbor and informed the local Inughuit community that they had 48 hours to leave. Sorry for the inconvenience, folks, but there are houses 100 miles north of here with your names on them. We promise.

"Everyone packed what they could on their dogsleds and set off north across the ice," remembers Aron Qaavigaq, who was 12 at the time. "After a while, my father stopped and looked back. He and my mother were crying. ... We were young and very excited to be going somewhere new. But they kept crying, so we knew there was something wrong."

There were no houses. Qaavigaq and his family spent the winter in tents 695 miles north of the Arctic Circle. The hunting and fishing was lousy, and now the ice is melting. After 55 years, Qaavigaq and the rest of the Inughuit still want to go home. But first they want the United States to clean up the mess they have made: thousands of barrels of toxic chemistry, rubbish heaps, electrical equipment contaminated with PCBs, and one whole hydrogen bomb -- serial number 78252 -- which was never recovered when a B-52 crashed upon landing in 1968.

Unfortunately, unlike the emir of Kuwait, the Inughuits are poor and not very many of them survived the transplant. In a deal struck with the Danish government in 2003, the Bush administration agreed to return the original Inughuit community land in return for continued use of the base.

But the administration insists it is not responsible for any cleanup. "They said if they were to clean up after themselves at Thule, then they would be met by similar demands in the Philippines, Japan and elsewhere in the world," Svend Auken, Denmark's former minister of the environment, told the Christian Science Monitor in August. "They didn't want to set that precedent." CSM also quotes Cheryl Irwin, a spokeswoman for the secretary of defense, opining that cleanup costs "reflected a shared burden with our host nation for our contribution for defense of the free world." The United States has, however, agreed to forgo "any claims for residual value of improvements made while there."

There is a growing resistance to the omnipresence of U.S. military installations around the world. The coalition, though practically invisible in the United States, is evident elsewhere. NOBASES seeks "an end to military domination and intimidation and an end to the social, environmental and economic consequences of these bases in the host countries." The coalition has recently organized massive demonstrations in Italy, Poland, the Czech Republic and elsewhere, and though few have ultimately been successful, they have made acquiescing to American military expansion an increasingly expensive political choice for foreign leaders.

Here at home in Idaho, however, raping the land is cheap. American Ecology supplies the lubricant, and Idaho's Republican officials bend over. Senators Mike Crapo and Larry Craig, Representatives Mike Simpson and Bill Sali, and Gov. Butch Otter and Lt. Gov. Jim Risch have all benefited from American Ecology's generosity.

In the first quarter of 2008, American Ecology reported a record disposal volume and a $13.4 million profit, a 17 percent increase over the same quarter last year.

Asked if the sand is dangerous, Hyslop said, "It's not something you want laying around in Kuwait." So, send it to Idaho instead!

If American Ecology were really thinking outside the litter box, it would be supporting the NOBASES effort to repatriate all our military’s leavings.





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Don't let PACNWGuy see this...he'll just say "its not that much sand" or "its not that radioactive" or "that's just a conspiracy theory" or even "It's the Dems fault".

That said, the Dems are just as culpable for this as the Repubs are.

I wonder how much gas it took to ship all that crap here? And what the hell are they going to USE it for???
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i remember a similar situation during the kosovo/serbia conflict, i believe it was at the airport, highly radioactive sand from our munitions, again deemed safe by TPTB, and children were playing in it

some months later a very high occurrence of cancer broke out amongst the children
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This is sick stuff, folks.


>>snip: "..the sand contained "unimportant quantities" of radioactive material..."

Then why the pluck did they move it??


>>snip: "Asked if the sand is dangerous, Hyslop said, "It's not something you want laying around in Kuwait." So, send it to Idaho instead!"
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DU is the famed "dirty bombs" TPTB are always warning the Terrorists will use against us. Guess they are right, they just didn't mention that those very terrorists ARE TPTB.
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That said, who needs nuclear weapons when you have anti-tank shells that are 30% U235 in high velocity impacts with tank armor that is 30% U235.. ? I keep waiting for some sort of "manufacturing screw up" that puts 75% U235 anti-tank shells into 75% U235 tank armor. Very dirty low yield atomic bomb.. without the bomb actually being built.
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Now this is the kinda stuff you need to report on Polly, the daily tirade against McCain and Palin is making me numb...and almost ready to vote for them just from hearing their names over and over.
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That said, who needs nuclear weapons when you have anti-tank shells that are 30% U235 in high velocity impacts with tank armor that is 30% U235.. ? I keep waiting for some sort of "manufacturing screw up" that puts 75% U235 anti-tank shells into 75% U235 tank armor. Very dirty low yield atomic bomb.. without the bomb actually being built.
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I always think I won't be amazed anymore by the stupidity of our leaders. And yet I am amazed.
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Lol.....Karma!
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On April 26, 2008, the BBC Alabama arrived in Longview, Wash., carrying 6,700 tons of Kuwaiti sand.

What the FUCK is the "BBC Alabama" supposed to be?

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A little clearer (an unemotional) article:

[link to www.idahostatesman.com]
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On April 26, 2008, the BBC Alabama arrived in Longview, Wash., carrying 6,700 tons of Kuwaiti sand.

What the FUCK is the "BBC Alabama" supposed to be?

rolleyes

Can any of you actually think?
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What do you mean? The BBC Alabama is a ship.
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After saving their asses from Saddam Hussein in 1990 the least the ingrates could do is pick some part of their desert and bury the sand out there.

Fuck them, next time let which ever neighbor conquers them keep them.

We lost the lives of Americans, spent millions on pushing Hussein out of there, you can't return the lives, but we haven't even been payed back the cost of saving their asses.
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On April 26, 2008, the BBC Alabama arrived in Longview, Wash., carrying 6,700 tons of Kuwaiti sand.

What the FUCK is the "BBC Alabama" supposed to be?

rolleyes

Can any of you actually think?


What do you mean? The BBC Alabama is a ship.
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According to what I could find before I posted, that ship has not been called by that since 2004 (when it was sold), and is now registered as the 'Beluga Emotion'.

[link to www.boatnerd.com]

chuckle
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On April 26, 2008, the BBC Alabama arrived in Longview, Wash., carrying 6,700 tons of Kuwaiti sand.

What the FUCK is the "BBC Alabama" supposed to be?

rolleyes

Can any of you actually think?


What do you mean? The BBC Alabama is a ship.


According to what I could find before I posted, that ship has not been called by that since 2004 (when it was sold), and is now registered as the 'Beluga Emotion'.

[link to www.boatnerd.com]

chuckle
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That's funny. The official Saudi Ports Authority website shows that it is currently at the Jubail Port awaiting its departure on 10/03/08.
[link to www.ports.gov.sa]

Apparently it flies the flag of Antigua.
[link to www.ports.gov.sa]
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Reminds me of my cousins born in Grand Junction CO. In the 50s, they used uranium tailings from the mines in house construction. One cousin born with cleft pallate, hole in heart and really messed up legs; the other died from cancer in young adulthood... parents alcoholics, how better to cope?
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Old news, this goes back months here.

Thread: 6,700 tons Depleted Uranium to IDAHO!!!!!!!!!

Click the link about Rokke, a complete shill.

Get educated. With all the crap to worry about these days, depleted uranium in hole in Idaho is pretty far down my list.
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That's funny. The official Saudi Ports Authority website shows that it is currently at the Jubail Port awaiting its departure on 10/03/08.
[link to www.ports.gov.sa]

Apparently it flies the flag of Antigua.
[link to www.ports.gov.sa]
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Clearly, you didn't read the link I so kindly provided fur ye:

[link to www.boatnerd.com]

Beluga Emotion
BBC Alabama 2004 - 2004 9261061 2004 GC Beluga Shipping GmbH,
Bremen, Germany
Managed:
Beluga Fleet Management GmbH & Co. KG,
Bremen, Germany Antigua & Barbuda /
Saint John's 7,342 b.h.p.
5,400 KW
1 MaK
6M43 453' 00"
138.07m 68' 11"
21.00m 36' 01"
11.00m 12,798 tonnes

Cranes: 2 x 120t 5/11/2008
Stern view
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Here's a pic:

[link to www.boatnerd.com]

Here's another pic:

[link to www.boatnerd.com]

GYour contention is that this is not the 'BBC Alabama'?

rolleyes
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I dunno, Senator Craig?
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Don't let PACNWGuy see this...he'll just say "its not that much sand" or "its not that radioactive" or "that's just a conspiracy theory" or even "It's the Dems fault".

That said, the Dems are just as culpable for this as the Repubs are.

I wonder how much gas it took to ship all that crap here? And what the hell are they going to USE it for???
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Would make great CHEMTRAILS, I suppose.
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Hang'em high !

We should not even be jacking with Nuts-uclear anything, little lone becoming the dump for the Worlds waste..
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I would have left the sand in Kuwait, but since they scooped it up, why didn't they just drop it off in a really deep part of the ocean? Hmmmmm?
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700 of those tons where Opium!
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On April 26, 2008, the BBC Alabama arrived in Longview, Wash., carrying 6,700 tons of Kuwaiti sand.

What the FUCK is the "BBC Alabama" supposed to be?

rolleyes

Can any of you actually think?


What do you mean? The BBC Alabama is a ship.


According to what I could find before I posted, that ship has not been called by that since 2004 (when it was sold), and is now registered as the 'Beluga Emotion'.

[link to www.boatnerd.com]

chuckle


That's funny. The official Saudi Ports Authority website shows that it is currently at the Jubail Port awaiting its departure on 10/03/08.
[link to www.ports.gov.sa]

Apparently it flies the flag of Antigua.
[link to www.ports.gov.sa]
 Quoting: JohnnyCarcinogen


Where is it sailing to on October 3rd?
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Clearly, you didn't read the link I so kindly provided fur ye:
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On the contrary, I did read your trusty "boatnerd" link.

Here's a pic:

[link to www.boatnerd.com]

Here's another pic:

[link to www.boatnerd.com]

GYour contention is that this is not the 'BBC Alabama'?

rolleyes
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Considering the name of the boat reads 'Beluga Emotion'...

Considering the BBC Alabama was in use earlier this year and your website shows that it was renamed in 2004...

Considering the boat in question was hauling sand from the middle east and that the government website of Saudi Arabia's ports clearly shows the vessel to be currently residing there, yes that is my contention. You doubt it's credibility over..... "boatnerd"?
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Where is it sailing to on October 3rd?
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I don't know. I couldn't find that info on the website.
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The best place to hide it would be in a country targeted for nuclear destruction !
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