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THE WTF GUY !!!
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If someone came into your home and held you at gunpoint and forced you to folk over $15 thousand dollars in cash (provided, of course, you kept such a large amount at home), you’d call the cops as soon as you could, wouldn’t you? In fact, if you had a gun at home, you might even try and shoot the bastards before they could get away with your money.

But what happens when it is the U.S. government that is about to break into your house and make off with that much money? Whom do you call? Batman?

And yet, that is exactly how much money, thus far, the current round of government bailouts of big financial institutions is costing American households.

When you add up the $700 billion dollars of taxpayers’ money the government wants to spend to buy up all that bad debt out there, with the money already pledged to take over Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, AIG and to help broker the Bear Stearns/JPMorgan Chase deal, “A $700 billion fund would push the total pledged to combat the crisis to $1.8 trillion, or $15,000 per U.S. household, says a Reuters analysis.

No Help For The Rest Of Us

While the big boys will apparently get their burdens lifted, so far, there is nothing in the proposed plan for those who are about to foreclose on their home, or can’t find a job, or can’t afford health insurance or can’t afford gas for the car or heat for the home or food for the table.

In fact, this past Friday, even after the bailout was announced to a stunned world, the average rate on a 30 year, fixed rate mortgage actually went up to 6.11 percent from 6.07 just the day before, says the Associated Press. We are clearly not out of the woods yet!

Would the alternative be worse? Maybe. Maybe not. But I can tell you this: This entire bailout is happening so fast , in such a crisis atmosphere, red lights should be blinking and alarm bells sounding from sea to shining sea.

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they can try - ain't much you can take from someone with a negative net worth.
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For the 109th time.... it's NOT the fucking government!!!!!! The Federal Reserve is privately owned by the Rothschilds, they create 'money' out of thin air via the fractional reserve lending system. Their grip on the world is why we are so fucked.

I urge you all to set aside 3 and a half hours and download / watch this video - it was made in 1995 but lucidly predicts exactly what is going on right now. It plots the history of banking in America and how the Federal Reserve came into being in 1913. It is, for want of a better word, a scam, a smokescreen. It was called the Federal Reserve for a reason - to deceive - it is not Federal, and there are no reserves.

The video is called Money Masters - How International Bankers Control America. Download it HERE: [link to nw0.info] (700mb)

It is simply the best documentary I have ever seen. Every citizen of this world needs to see it. And right now. And in the meantime, forget about the Fed = Government - it's NOT! We are being scammed by crooks!
THE WTF GUY !! (OP)
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For the 109th time.... it's NOT the fucking government!!!!!! The Federal Reserve is privately owned by the Rothschilds, they create 'money' out of thin air via the fractional reserve lending system. Their grip on the world is why we are so fucked.

I urge you all to set aside 3 and a half hours and download / watch this video - it was made in 1995 but lucidly predicts exactly what is going on right now. It plots the history of banking in America and how the Federal Reserve came into being in 1913. It is, for want of a better word, a scam, a smokescreen. It was called the Federal Reserve for a reason - to deceive - it is not Federal, and there are no reserves.

The video is called Money Masters - How International Bankers Control America. Download it HERE: [link to nw0.info] (700mb)

It is simply the best documentary I have ever seen. Every citizen of this world needs to see it. And right now. And in the meantime, forget about the Fed = Government - it's NOT! We are being scammed by crooks!
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will FUCK THOSE DOUCHE BAGS !! in Washington for letting it happen anyway.
pennywise
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For the 109th time.... it's NOT the fucking government!!!!!! The Federal Reserve is privately owned by the Rothschilds, they create 'money' out of thin air via the fractional reserve lending system. Their grip on the world is why we are so fucked.

I urge you all to set aside 3 and a half hours and download / watch this video - it was made in 1995 but lucidly predicts exactly what is going on right now. It plots the history of banking in America and how the Federal Reserve came into being in 1913. It is, for want of a better word, a scam, a smokescreen. It was called the Federal Reserve for a reason - to deceive - it is not Federal, and there are no reserves.

The video is called Money Masters - How International Bankers Control America. Download it HERE: [link to nw0.info] (700mb)

It is simply the best documentary I have ever seen. Every citizen of this world needs to see it. And right now. And in the meantime, forget about the Fed = Government - it's NOT! We are being scammed by crooks!
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For the 109th time.... it's NOT the fucking government!!!!!! The Federal Reserve is privately owned by the Rothschilds, they create 'money' out of thin air via the fractional reserve lending system. Their grip on the world is why we are so fucked.

I urge you all to set aside 3 and a half hours and download / watch this video - it was made in 1995 but lucidly predicts exactly what is going on right now. It plots the history of banking in America and how the Federal Reserve came into being in 1913. It is, for want of a better word, a scam, a smokescreen. It was called the Federal Reserve for a reason - to deceive - it is not Federal, and there are no reserves.

The video is called Money Masters - How International Bankers Control America. Download it HERE: [link to nw0.info] (700mb)

It is simply the best documentary I have ever seen. Every citizen of this world needs to see it. And right now. And in the meantime, forget about the Fed = Government - it's NOT! We are being scammed by crooks!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 505568

so the Rothschilds have a serious agenda to fuck America over and bring it's downfall?.
So how can America fight back when most of it's own leaders are payed up members of the illuminati and part of the conspiracy?.
Look what happened to JFK when he tried to sanitise the whole money system and bring back a silver standard-backed currency. The same thing happened to Lincoln who wanted America to have its own independant greenback currency not reliant on the international bankers.
US presidents are well aware of what happens to anyone who gets in the way of the NWO agenda.
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will FUCK THOSE DOUCHE BAGS !! in Washington for letting it happen anyway.
pennywise
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laugh Yea
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they can try - ain't much you can take from someone with a negative net worth.
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Try food, health care, social security, jobs, freedom ... we have a lot to lose.
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The speed at which they are wanting to push this through, I agree, is alarming. Whenever they want to scam us-pull one over on us, they do it in haste and say they have no choice, then later the negative aspects get found out. I don't have a solution, but this is apparent-speed kills.
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For the 109th time.... it's NOT the fucking government!!!!!! The Federal Reserve is privately owned by the Rothschilds, they create 'money' out of thin air via the fractional reserve lending system. Their grip on the world is why we are so fucked.

I urge you all to set aside 3 and a half hours and download / watch this video - it was made in 1995 but lucidly predicts exactly what is going on right now. It plots the history of banking in America and how the Federal Reserve came into being in 1913. It is, for want of a better word, a scam, a smokescreen. It was called the Federal Reserve for a reason - to deceive - it is not Federal, and there are no reserves.

The video is called Money Masters - How International Bankers Control America. Download it HERE: [link to nw0.info] (700mb)

It is simply the best documentary I have ever seen. Every citizen of this world needs to see it. And right now. And in the meantime, forget about the Fed = Government - it's NOT! We are being scammed by crooks!
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Agreed. But it is the government who as we speak is planning on taxation-without-representation. Congress is just a rubber stamp for the Executive Orders of George W. Bush.
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The global power elites are trying to FUCK us over big time right now. When we need help we are just a bunch of welfare losers, useless food stamp eaters and foreclosed on whiners, but when the bankers want help we should drop everything that we are doing and write them a blank check?
Fuck them!
This is just another step towards our own enslavement and for what? To help the most greedy, corrupt, lying warmongers walk away with millions and hundreds of millions more of our hard earned money(worthless federal reserve bank notes, which are nothing more than funny paper money) in the form of profits for them and debt slavery for the rest of us.
Fuck them!
This is the time to draw a line in the sand and say enough!
You can't have another fucking penny from the working poor and middle class.
We need to abolish the federal reserve banking system, print our own money in the form of gold, silver and precious metals which is real money and tell these financial parasites to FUCK OFF!
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We'll be lucky if it's ONLY $15,000, no matter how much you swear or who you threaten.
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they can try - ain't much you can take from someone with a negative net worth.


Try food, health care, social security, jobs, freedom ... we have a lot to lose.
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Thats the dumbest reply EVER, you mor-on
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OP, you are a fucking moron!

If EVERY loan AIG has defaulted, that STILL wouldn't come close to costing the Fed $15000 per citizen.

In the end, this new RTC will almost certainly MAKE money for the government!


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IT IS the GOVERNMENT IF THE GOVERNMENT APPROVES THESE ACTIONS...

WFT used to me What The Fuck, now it means, We The Fucked.
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Sorry, the documentary download link I gave earlier was invalid, here's the correct link for Money Masters - How International Bankers Control America:
[link to nw0.info]

You MUST watch it! It's 3 1/2 hours, but like a good book you can't put down, this is the one to see.
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One can not squeze blood out of a turnip.
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OP, you are a fucking moron!

If EVERY loan AIG has defaulted, that STILL wouldn't come close to costing the Fed $15000 per citizen.

In the end, this new RTC will almost certainly MAKE money for the government!


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Ummmm....I would highly suggest you taking reading comprehension courses to enable you to cease in showing your ignorance.

When you add up the $700 billion dollars of taxpayers’ money the government wants to spend to buy up all that bad debt out there, with the money already pledged to take over Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, AIG and to help broker the Bear Stearns/JPMorgan Chase deal, “A $700 billion fund would push the total pledged to combat the crisis to $1.8 trillion, or $15,000 per U.S. household, says a Reuters analysis.
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Reread the highlighted portions above, then read who SAYS this, because I dont think, by using reason, that the OP is the Reuters Analyst who put forth these numbers.
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OP, you are a fucking moron!

If EVERY loan AIG has defaulted, that STILL wouldn't come close to costing the Fed $15000 per citizen.

In the end, this new RTC will almost certainly MAKE money for the government!
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 471491



First off, the article the OP quoted distinctly said, $15,000 per household.

$1 trillion would equate to approx. $3,300 for every man, woman, and child in America. So just $1 trillion - a figure we have already surpassed - would equate to approx. $8,500 per household.

And $1.8 trillion sure as shit does work out to a little over $15,000 per household.


Second, based on how bad you suck at math and reading comprehension, it is of little surprise your economic acumen is equally lacking. McCain, is that you?

This RTC will not make money for the government for the very same reason the financial institutions that have been collapsing have been writing down billions of dollars of assets.

We recovered about $.20 on the dollar from the S&L scandal. We'll be fortunate to get that percentage back this time around.

I frankly don't care how much bullshit-based spin you sling at the wall like so much so much monkey feke, this is nothing short that a complete financial meltdown that has bankrupted our economy and screwed the taxpayer.

Thank you McBush.
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HaHa WTF GUY, 15,000$ was the low estimate- in reality the number could be 10 to 20 times larger.... OR MORE!!!
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I know. I've pretty much decided to go TAX REVOLT. Evidently, a crusade of one. The numbers aren't behind me, but here's my thinking: retirement in prison? Might not be so bad. Shelter, food, water. If they chop my head off with a Chinese guillotine I'll be out of commission, and they'll be no moola from me. Either way, I'm getting mad enough to be fairly determined about this!

Conscientious objector!
the killing in the USA and all around the world
the fleecing of Americans
the greed
the lying
the coverups
the unbelievable evil and corruption

I simply can't wrap my little head around supporting the above any longer...
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It's time to realize that the American economy is being used as a
PONZI_SCHEME !

It's a massive RAID and swapping bad fiat currency for their real take-away
material gains.

3 years ago they changed the rules to take your pension funds..
doesn't make it legal and lawful.

What are we to do..? be slave to a new regime coming in via
England and Europe...?

They showed the PATRIOT on HBO tv again...
wonder why...
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First off, the article the OP quoted distinctly said, $15,000 per household.

Second, based on how bad you suck at math and reading comprehension, it is of little surprise your economic acumen is equally lacking. McCain, is that you?

This RTC will not make money for the government for the very same reason the financial institutions that have been collapsing have been writing down billions of dollars of assets.
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A) BIG fucking deal, it STILL isn't going to cost anyone anything.

B) IF AIG was to declare bankruptcy, MILLIONS of Americans would lost BILLIONS of dollars, AS WELL as their insurance coverage. You REALLY don't want to think (IF you can think) about the ripples THAT would cause.

As far as McCain and me, NOT the LEAST fucking bit close, but you're not close on much of anything else either.


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A) BIG fucking deal, it STILL isn't going to cost anyone anything.

B) IF AIG was to declare bankruptcy, MILLIONS of Americans would lost BILLIONS of dollars, AS WELL as their insurance coverage. You REALLY don't want to think (IF you can think) about the ripples THAT would cause.

As far as McCain and me, NOT the LEAST fucking bit close, but you're not close on much of anything else either.


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YOU have the mind of a pea.

GET OUT OF MY BOARD NOW OR I WILL SEND THE LAW ON YOU!!!

YOU ARE A TERRORIST!!!!
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No worries.. it's all good I watched the candidates on TV tonight. McCain is an ex POW that will fix everything, didn't you get the memo.?
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A) BIG fucking deal, it STILL isn't going to cost anyone anything.

B)IF AIG was to declare bankruptcy, MILLIONS of Americans would lost BILLIONS of dollars, AS WELL as their insurance coverage. You REALLY don't want to think (IF you can think) about the ripples THAT would cause.
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iamwith


Again, like I said, you suck at both math and reading comprehension. I never once said we shouldn't proceed with the bailout, did I?

In fact, if you research my posts on the subject, you would see I don't think we have any other choice.

Please do not attribute your ignorance to my words.

I simply illustrated and criticized your lack of simple sixth grade mathematical skills and/or poor reading comprehension, and described why your bullshit spin-based load of crap of how creation of an RTC and the subsequent sell off of non-performing assets at pennies on the dollar is somehow, in any way good for the taxpayer...

It's NOT.

Your inability to recognize this speaks to your lack of understanding of basic macroeconomics.

Did you get a "D" like Sarah Palin?
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Its kinda sad, but if I have to venture a GUESS, this bill is going to pass. The Democrats are already tacking on all the riders they want out of the deal. Our congress is going to jack us friends... I wish there was a way to stop this bill, but it just goes to show that our elected leaders do not truly represent us the people.. We are now being TAXED without representation.
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iwish

This cracks me up. Everyone "knows" they have been fucked over financially and will be taxed to high heaven.

Everyone pretends to freak out, yes...we have been fucked...and then they go away and forget about.

We fall for this shit every time.

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"They" are gaining control. In the process the extremely rich, those that are really in control, are going to get even richer what with the fire sales and all on the large corporations. This is how it works. We are little sheep and we are here to serve whether we like it or not.... this is all pre-planned and well organized.

Now the only way we can stop it will not be pretty, and the majority are too fat, dumb, and lazy, to do anything at all as they do not realize that their own wool is being pulled over their eyes.

When the shit hits the fan... and it will very soon, most will wonder what happened.

Few will be pre prepared.

Most will not. They will be too busy wondering what Paris is wearing, who she is dating, fucking. Or they will be glued to their computers that they bought on credit along with everything else they own.... and really cannot afford.

We do have a choice.

What will you choose?

Aloha.
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By my calculations:

There are 280 billion of derivatives out there leveraged at 32 to 1.

Thats 8.3 trillion dollars


If each of our 300 million Americans were to toss a grand each into a kitty, we would have 300 billion dollars or a third of a trillion. We need at least 20 times that much so I say the amount is about 20 k per person (not household). This merely gets us through the current crisis and has nothing to do with taxes.
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wat about the iraq and vietnam war? you know how much the smoking industry make ? ...





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