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The Bush/McCain/Palin contempt for subpoenas and the rule of law - "..a continuation of the worst abuses of bush/Cheney.."

 
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>>snip: "All of this unmistakably signals that a McCain/Palin administration would mean a continuation of the worst abuses of the Bush/Cheney administration."

Glenn Greenwald

Friday Sept. 19, 2008 08:19 EDT

The Bush/McCain/Palin contempt for subpoenas and the rule of law

Bill O'Reilly, Wednesday night, calling for the arrest of Gawker's owners and managers:

The website knows the law, and says "you know -- I'm going to do it anyway. I dare you to come get me."
Associated Press today, on Todd Palin's refusal to comply with the Alaska State Senate's subpoena:
Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin's husband has refused to testify in the investigation of his wife's alleged abuse of power, and key lawmakers said Thursday that uncooperative witnesses are effectively sidetracking the probe until after Election Day.

Todd Palin, who participates in state business in person or by e-mail, was among 13 people subpoenaed by the Alaska Legislature. Palin's lawyer sent a letter to the lead investigator saying Palin objected to the probe and would not appear to testify on Friday. . . .

Ignoring a legislative subpoena is punishable by a fine up to $500 and up to six months in jail under Alaska law. But courts are reluctant to intervene in legislative matters and the full Legislature must be in session to bring contempt charges, Wielechowski said. The Legislature is not scheduled to convene until January.

It is illegal in the State of Alaska to fail to comply with legislative subpoenas. But Todd Palin has announced he will do exactly that which the law prohibits for one simple reason -- because nothing can be done about it until after the election, and even then, it's unlikely much will be done to punish him for breaking the law. Sarah Palin has similarly ordered all of her aides to refuse to comply with these subpoenas even though doing so is illegal, because she, too, doubts there will be consequences for this illegal behavior. Or, as Bill O'Reilly put it in his righteous Rule of Law tirade: "I'm going to do it anyway. I dare you to come get me."

There is no doubt that the Legislature has the right to investigate and that these Subpoenaas are lawfully issued. Before Palin was selected as McCain's running mate, virtually everyone in Alaska -- including her -- agreed that the Legislature could and should investigate these allegations. From The Anchorage Daily News, July 29, 2008:

"The governor has said all along that she will fully cooperate with an investigation and her staff will cooperate as well," [Palin spokeswoman Sharon] Leighow said. . . .

Supporters as well as detractors of the Republican governor generally agreed the legislative investigation is needed into the circumstances leading up to Monegan's dismissal. . . .

Sen. Gene Therriault of North Pole, leader of the small Republican Senate minority that generally has backed Palin's policies, said he expects the governor will cooperate, and if she's cleared, the investigation could strengthen her. . . . Senate President Lyda Green, a Wasilla Republican and member of the Legislative Council, said the investigation is "absolutely" needed.

In August, Palin even praised herself for only suspending, rather than firing, one of her top aides who demanded -- in a recorded telephone call -- that the Police Commissioner fire her ex-brother-in-law by making this argument: "'While he is a state employee the governor can direct him to cooperate with [the Legislature's investigator], fulfilling her pledge that the administration will cooperate fully with the investigation,' [Palin spokesman] McAllister said."

But now, with the heavy involvement of the McCain campaign, Gov. Palin has embraced core GOP "principles" -- political officials can unilaterally exempt themselves from the rule of law and the people, through their elected representatives in the legislature, are powerless to learn what their political leaders have done. That, of course, has been the guiding principle of the Bush administration -- as one Bush official after the next has simply refused to comply with Congressional subpoenas as part of investigations into serious allegations of lawbreaking and other wrongdoing -- and the McCain campaign and the Palins are leaving no doubt that they are full-fledged believers in these corrupt and lawless prerogatives.



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bsflag Salon lol
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I knew you were going to do that.

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bsflag Salon lol
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Could someone clarify something?

Where do legislatures get their authority to do what is essentially police investigative work or work that should be a function of the courts?

How are their powers spelled out in the various constitutions that apply?

I was under the impression that legislative branches were meant to pass laws and spend money.

Not enforce those laws, which would come under the Judicial branch.
"Everybody lies."
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Could someone clarify something?

Where do legislatures get their authority to do what is essentially police investigative work or work that should be a function of the courts?

How are their powers spelled out in the various constitutions that apply?

I was under the impression that legislative branches were meant to pass laws and spend money.

Not enforce those laws, which would come under the Judicial branch.
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No comments?
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Perhaps President Obama sends out warrants for their arrest after his inauguration.
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Polly, and I think I speak for a lot of people here:




GO FUCK YOURSELF CUNT






that is all
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Polly, and I think I speak for a lot of people here:




I'M A MORON...SORRY, THAT'S 'MORAN'






that is all
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With all that is going on both sides dems/rep. agreeing to bail out everyone and leave us with the bill you keep posting shit that means nothing.
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Polly, you don't even care what troopergate is about do you?
its abuse! a man abusing a family... tasering a child and making death
threats... thats ok with you... just like its was ok for Bill Clinton to get his cock
sucked right in our very own oval office... those things don't bother you?
or when they stole from the Whitehouse and trashed Airforce One..

I have never seen such evil on this board... you are a person who totally
ignors the truth for political advantage... and btw the good ol 'USA won
in Iraq.. that just kills you doesn't it... I am sure everyday you wake up
looking for a suicide bombing there... God it must really suck to be you!
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and btw the good ol 'USA won
in Iraq..
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Oh yeah, you can see everyday how 'welcome' the American liberators are there...oh actually, you can't, because the media won't show the truth.

The most disgusting lie in an unending stream of lies is that the US invaded Iraq to set the Iraqui people free. Of course, it's just a coincidence that Iraq has a great deal of oil...disgusting, bloodsoaked LIARS.
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and btw the good ol 'USA won
in Iraq..

Oh yeah, you can see everyday how 'welcome' the American liberators are there...oh actually, you can't, because the media won't show the truth.

The most disgusting lie in an unending stream of lies is that the US invaded Iraq to set the Iraqui people free. Of course, it's just a coincidence that Iraq has a great deal of oil...disgusting, bloodsoaked LIARS.
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So where is all the oil we stole you fucking moron!
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and btw the good ol 'USA won
in Iraq..

Oh yeah, you can see everyday how 'welcome' the American liberators are there...oh actually, you can't, because the media won't show the truth.

The most disgusting lie in an unending stream of lies is that the US invaded Iraq to set the Iraqui people free. Of course, it's just a coincidence that Iraq has a great deal of oil...disgusting, bloodsoaked LIARS.
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Really its for oil?
Then why haven't we taken control of the oil there?
they have no means to stop us.
And why didnt we take kuwaits oil too.
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What, you mean they left the oil alone?!?!?!? OMG!
Then the army must have been sent to Iraq because Bush n' Co cared so much about the Iraquis, just like his dear ol' dad did...

Get real.
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Polly, you don't even care what troopergate is about do you?
its abuse! a man abusing a family... tasering a child and making death
threats... thats ok with you... just like its was ok for Bill Clinton to get his cock
sucked right in our very own oval office... those things don't bother you?
or when they stole from the Whitehouse and trashed Airforce One..

I have never seen such evil on this board... you are a person who totally
ignors the truth for political advantage... and btw the good ol 'USA won
in Iraq.. that just kills you doesn't it... I am sure everyday you wake up
looking for a suicide bombing there... God it must really suck to be you!
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If we won in Iraq as you and King George said, why are we still there? And the fact that the man tased a child has nothing to do with this investigation. This is about misuse of power by a government official but I suppose you neocons have gotten used to that after the last eight disasterous years under King George's rule.
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What, you mean they left the oil alone?!?!?!? OMG!
Then the army must have been sent to Iraq because Bush n' Co cared so much about the Iraquis, just like his dear ol' dad did...

Get real.
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where is the oil ass hole?
why our we spending 700 billion on oil?
why are we in the cities and towns?
If all we wanted was there oil we could of just sent our troops to guard the oil and no where else and escort our cut out to our ships but we dont do we.
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What, you mean they left the oil alone?!?!?!? OMG!
Then the army must have been sent to Iraq because Bush n' Co cared so much about the Iraquis, just like his dear ol' dad did...

Get real.
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you get real
The US has left the oil alone.
There is no iraqi "stargate" or secret ancient weapon.
Iraq is all about strategic position to attack Iran.
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The legislative committee conducting this political "investigation" is steered by partisan Democrats who are carrying the water for the Obama campaign operatives who have been sent to Alaska.

The chairman of this farce is a corrupt Democrat, Hollis French who has publically made comments on how he is going to "get" Palin.

Hollis French hired an investigator who is friends with the man who was fired. French knew this and hired him anyway.

This was never a fair or just investigation and it should be taken away from French and placed into a non-partisan venue that is not influenced by corrupt politicians seeking jobs in an Obama administration.

Hollis French and his dirty Dems should be slammed with ethics charges on this one and probably will be.
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Ok, so this discussion could go on forever, which isn't really ideal for any of us.

Basically, I'm just trying to stress that I don't believe Iraq was invaded merely to help the country's people. And if you believe that it was invaded for the above reason, then I think you're naive.
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Ok, so this discussion could go on forever, which isn't really ideal for any of us.

Basically, I'm just trying to stress that I don't believe Iraq was invaded merely to help the country's people. And if you believe that it was invaded for the above reason, then I think you're naive.
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Here is a list of where the majority of our oil comes from.
[link to askville.amazon.com]
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Polly, you don't even care what troopergate is about do you?
its abuse! a man abusing a family... tasering a child and making death
threats... thats ok with you... just like its was ok for Bill Clinton to get his cock
sucked right in our very own oval office... those things don't bother you?
or when they stole from the Whitehouse and trashed Airforce One..

I have never seen such evil on this board... you are a person who totally
ignors the truth for political advantage... and btw the good ol 'USA won
in Iraq.. that just kills you doesn't it... I am sure everyday you wake up
looking for a suicide bombing there... God it must really suck to be you!
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The issue isn't whether Wooten is a bad guy, the issue is whether Palin used illegal means (abuse of power) to try to get him fired and is now covering up her actions. There are rules, laws and a process to address Wooten's actions. SP doesn't get to make up her own rules, ignore and circumvent the ones that exist and abuse the powers of her public position for a personal agenda. That is the issue. How hard is this to understand ?

And, re: Iraq -- "we won". Won what at what cost and for what reason ? (Ask all the dead people and their families if "we won".) Furthermore, if you've been paying attention, there are some ideological rumbles again where some people in Iraqi communities are leaning aware from the US again. (It happens when you arrest and kill people for political reasons.) If it heats up again, do we go back in and invade a sovereign nation so we can "win" again ? Just my opinion.

Keep posting, Polly. You have your opinion, too.
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And it continues!
They have the power to create reality

I could explain it better but I would need charts, graphs and an easel.

By the way....which ones pink?
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www.salon.com lmao ahhh
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Ahh, someone who is very obviously head and shoulders above the intelect and comprehension of many reading this thread.

Thank you, A.C., for explaining the issue.

If found guilty of abuse of power Palin will be impeached and her husband and staff members will sent to prison for contempt.

We have much too look forward to.

flower


The issue isn't whether Wooten is a bad guy, the issue is whether Palin used illegal means (abuse of power) to try to get him fired and is now covering up her actions. There are rules, laws and a process to address Wooten's actions. SP doesn't get to make up her own rules, ignore and circumvent the ones that exist and abuse the powers of her public position for a personal agenda. That is the issue. How hard is this to understand ?

And, re: Iraq -- "we won". Won what at what cost and for what reason ? (Ask all the dead people and their families if "we won".) Furthermore, if you've been paying attention, there are some ideological rumbles again where some people in Iraqi communities are leaning aware from the US again. (It happens when you arrest and kill people for political reasons.) If it heats up again, do we go back in and invade a sovereign nation so we can "win" again ? Just my opinion.

Keep posting, Polly. You have your opinion, too.
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I am more interested in the obamabot lacky who illegally breeched Palins personal email and who knows what else.
Have they linked the son of the influential democratic representative to the obama campaign yet ?

THIS COULD BE BIG FOLKS!!!

Might just sink obama for good.
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so some misguided kid hacking unprotected email is more important to you than abuse of power by elected officials? You are probably the same kind of dipshit that thought that Clinton getting a blowjob in the oval office was as bad or worse than the assfucking Nixon gave the rule of law..what a bunch of idiots you people are..pathetic
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so some misguided kid hacking unprotected email is more important to you than abuse of power by elected officials? You are probably the same kind of dipshit that thought that Clinton getting a blowjob in the oval office was as bad or worse than the assfucking Nixon gave the rule of law..what a bunch of idiots you people are..pathetic
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agreed, Some people are just fucking stupid!
They have the power to create reality

I could explain it better but I would need charts, graphs and an easel.

By the way....which ones pink?
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The legislative committee conducting this political "investigation" is steered by partisan Democrats who are carrying the water for the Obama campaign operatives who have been sent to Alaska.

The chairman of this farce is a corrupt Democrat, Hollis French who has publically made comments on how he is going to "get" Palin.

Hollis French hired an investigator who is friends with the man who was fired. French knew this and hired him anyway.

This was never a fair or just investigation and it should be taken away from French and placed into a non-partisan venue that is not influenced by corrupt politicians seeking jobs in an Obama administration.

Hollis French and his dirty Dems should be slammed with ethics charges on this one and probably will be.
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This is one of the most ignorant posts I've read on this subject. You don't know what you're talking about.

Palin filed an ethics charge against herself after the legislature (with a republican majority) voted to file a complaint against her.

Hollis French is one of the most respected legislators in office - respected by democrats AND republicans. He NEVER said he was going to "get" her.

Palin welcomed Branchflower to be the investigator.

Since Palin's announcement that she would NOT be appearing before the legislature (which is 2/3 republican!), after she had made repeated promises to do so, she now says she'll appear in front of a 3 person committee all appointed by her.


And your comment, "The legislative committee conducting this political 'investigation' is steered by partisan Democrats who are carrying the water for the Obama campaign operatives who have been sent to Alaska" - is insane. Here's the facts about 'operatives':

Since Palin left the state to campaign, Lt Governor, Sean Parnell - who should be 'in charge', has been "out of the office", "on vacation", "not in town". Colberg, who is the Attorney General and should be running the state when Parnell and Palin aren't here, was "Sent to Kansas for vacation". So who is running Alaska now? The lawyers of the McCain-Palin campaign!!! They have taken over the State Department of Justice....and legislators and AK state lawyers are scrambling to contest this.

In addition to this, every media outlet - TV, newspaper, and radio stations - have been contacted by the McCain-Palin lawyers (read: operatives) and have been warned not to publish or produce or report any negative statements about Palin. Some reporters have been harassed by phone at home and some have even been fired.

We here in Alaska know exactly what's happening but it's obvious - and very disturbing - that this information is not being shared - allowed - to get into the MSM.

If you want to educate yourself further, you can do so here:

www.adn.com
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What, you mean they left the oil alone?!?!?!? OMG!
Then the army must have been sent to Iraq because Bush n' Co cared so much about the Iraquis, just like his dear ol' dad did...

Get real.
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The legislative committee conducting this political "investigation" is steered by partisan Democrats who are carrying the water for the Obama campaign operatives who have been sent to Alaska.

The chairman of this farce is a corrupt Democrat, Hollis French who has publically made comments on how he is going to "get" Palin.

Hollis French hired an investigator who is friends with the man who was fired. French knew this and hired him anyway.

This was never a fair or just investigation and it should be taken away from French and placed into a non-partisan venue that is not influenced by corrupt politicians seeking jobs in an Obama administration.

Hollis French and his dirty Dems should be slammed with ethics charges on this one and probably will be.


This is one of the most ignorant posts I've read on this subject. You don't know what you're talking about.

Palin filed an ethics charge against herself after the legislature (with a republican majority) voted to file a complaint against her.

Hollis French is one of the most respected legislators in office - respected by democrats AND republicans. He NEVER said he was going to "get" her.

Palin welcomed Branchflower to be the investigator.

Since Palin's announcement that she would NOT be appearing before the legislature (which is 2/3 republican!), after she had made repeated promises to do so, she now says she'll appear in front of a 3 person committee all appointed by her.


And your comment, "The legislative committee conducting this political 'investigation' is steered by partisan Democrats who are carrying the water for the Obama campaign operatives who have been sent to Alaska" - is insane. Here's the facts about 'operatives':

Since Palin left the state to campaign, Lt Governor, Sean Parnell - who should be 'in charge', has been "out of the office", "on vacation", "not in town". Colberg, who is the Attorney General and should be running the state when Parnell and Palin aren't here, was "Sent to Kansas for vacation". So who is running Alaska now? The lawyers of the McCain-Palin campaign!!! They have taken over the State Department of Justice....and legislators and AK state lawyers are scrambling to contest this.

In addition to this, every media outlet - TV, newspaper, and radio stations - have been contacted by the McCain-Palin lawyers (read: operatives) and have been warned not to publish or produce or report any negative statements about Palin. Some reporters have been harassed by phone at home and some have even been fired.

We here in Alaska know exactly what's happening but it's obvious - and very disturbing - that this information is not being shared - allowed - to get into the MSM.

If you want to educate yourself further, you can do so here:

www.adn.com
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