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The Helium Balloon Test . ((HE-goat))

 
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The Helium Balloon Test . ((HE-goat))
Helium symbol = He

If Iím holding a helium balloon in outer-space high above our Earthís atmosphere which way will the He-balloon float?

Like all things helium gas obeys the laws of Earthís physics, fresh water rises over salt water so will gases depending on their densities, He-gas will rise above Ozone but remain stationed below Hydrogen and as all of Earthís gases layer themselves one over the other from the bottom up there comes a limit to where there will be a clear separation between the layers of these gases (atmosphere) and the void of space. And this limit does exit or we would lose all of Earthís gases including our oxygen to the vast emptiness of space, so, these gases do respect the laws of Earthís physics. The Shuttle after piercing through the atmosphere falls back and hovers over the Earth by resting on the atmosphere, and needs rocket engines to help pierce back into the first layers of these gases until inside this invisible dome then shuts off the engines and glides to the surface of Earth.

Question remains, which way will this helium balloon float?
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In a vaccum, it will probably expand until it explodes. As there is no wind in space, it will probably sit stationary while expanding.
Thats my guess
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it'll explode....the extemely low pressure on the outside will cause the thin membrane to burst....bull shit experiment..... now, assuming you have a membrane that is durable enough.....and assuming that the balloon is most influenced by earths gravity, it will "fall" to earth, until it reaches a point of "dynamic eqilibrium" between its bouyancy(as related to the atmosphere), and its mass....it has more mass per unit volume than "space", even if it has less than earths atmosphere(depending on altitude, and internal pressure of the balloon, as well as the mass of the "envelope").....
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In a vaccum, it will probably expand until it explodes. As there is no wind in space, it will probably sit stationary while expanding.
Thats my guess
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As instructed to me by the Greatest scientist it will collect itself with the rest of the helium gas below the hydrogen level.
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In a vaccum, it will probably expand until it explodes. As there is no wind in space, it will probably sit stationary while expanding.
Thats my guess
As instructed to me by the Greatest scientist it will collect itself with the rest of the helium gas below the hydrogen level.
 Quoting: Punisher

Punisher wrong again. You're not accounting for the pressure differential between the inside and outside of the balloon. See ambiguity unlimited's post above for a clue.
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In a vaccum, it will probably expand until it explodes. As there is no wind in space, it will probably sit stationary while expanding.
Thats my guess
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As instructed to me by the Greatest scientist it will collect itself with the rest of the helium gas below the hydrogen level.
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Punisher wrong again. You're not accounting for the pressure differential between the inside and outside of the balloon. See ambiguity unlimited's post above for a clue.
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No my brother you're the one wrong, let me ask you this, "does this pressure have a density?" LOL, of course the balloon will fall back to Earth's atmosphere only the invisible dome will not allow it to pierce through and hover there with the Shuttle you went up with for the experiment.

Whether the balloon explodes or not the helium gas will not disperse itself in the outer-space it will fall back to where the rest of helium is obeying Earth's physics but will be restricted by the atmosphere itself.
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This is how the Shuttle after plunging through the atmosphere falls back and hovers over the Earth and needs rocket boosters to help break-thru the first layers of these gases until inside this invisible dome then shuts off the engines and glides to the surface of Earth.
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Wrong.
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In a vaccum, it will probably expand until it explodes. As there is no wind in space, it will probably sit stationary while expanding.
Thats my guess
As instructed to me by the Greatest scientist it will collect itself with the rest of the helium gas below the hydrogen level.
 Quoting: Punisher

that depends on altitude above the atmosphere....the relative mass of helium molecules is quite low....the bursting balloon would tend to scatter the molecules in all directions.... the molecule's idividual momentum might indeed be greater than the momentum that would be imparted by earth's gravity, so much of the helium might just become "free" in the void of space.... there is also the influence of "solar wind" and other radiological phenomena to contend with....but, what "free helium" does make it to the atmosphere should indeed stratify to a specific layer of atmosphere(though i doubt you will find individual elemental layers at these "boundaries", free molecules tend to combine into compounds...)the constant bombardment by outside influences would tend towards mixing(a "dynamic emulsion" if you will...)
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No my brother you're the one wrong, let me ask you this, "does this pressure have a density?" LOL, of course the balloon will fall back to Earth's atmosphere only the invisible dome will not allow it to pierce through and hover there with the Shuttle you went up with for the experiment.

Whether the balloon explodes or not the helium gas will not disperse itself in the outer-space it will fall back to where the rest of helium is obeying Earth's physics but will be restricted by the atmosphere itself.
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Have you performed this experiment ?
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Helium symbol = He

If Iím holding a helium balloon in outer-space high above our Earthís atmosphere which way will the He-balloon float?

Question remains, which way will this helium balloon float?
 Quoting: Punisher


People have missed several points.

1. OP is holding the balloon, ergo the balloon will go where he goes.

2. OP is quote "in outer-space high above our Earthís atmosphere" the balloon ceased to "float" as there is no atmosphere.

3. OP's orbit will degrade until the OP becomes a brief flash ending the experiment.
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it'll explode....the extemely low pressure on the outside will cause the thin membrane to burst....bull shit experiment..... now, assuming you have a membrane that is durable enough.....and assuming that the balloon is most influenced by earths gravity, it will "fall" to earth, until it reaches a point of "dynamic eqilibrium" between its bouyancy(as related to the atmosphere), and its mass....it has more mass per unit volume than "space", even if it has less than earths atmosphere(depending on altitude, and internal pressure of the balloon, as well as the mass of the "envelope").....
 Quoting: ambiguity unlimited


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No my brother you're the one wrong, let me ask you this, "does this pressure have a density?" LOL, of course the balloon will fall back to Earth's atmosphere only the invisible dome will not allow it to pierce through and hover there with the Shuttle you went up with for the experiment.

Whether the balloon explodes or not the helium gas will not disperse itself in the outer-space it will fall back to where the rest of helium is obeying Earth's physics but will be restricted by the atmosphere itself.
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Have you performed this experiment ?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 129376

Brother I have gathered all the scientific documentation regarding these gases and there physics and formulate the above mentioned into a quasi verbal mathematical equation, the O-P is indisputable as usual because the truth always is and about asking if I have access to NASA or their rockets to physically exercise the experiment is laughable as a rebuttal.
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i thought outer space doesn't exist, punisher?

or is it just that the other planets do not?


sorry... i just have trouble following your "logic"
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punisher = loser
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Helium symbol = He

If Iím holding a helium balloon in outer-space high above our Earthís atmosphere which way will the He-balloon float?

Question remains, which way will this helium balloon float?
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People have missed several points.

1. OP is holding the balloon, ergo the balloon will go where he goes.

2. OP is quote "in outer-space high above our Earthís atmosphere" the balloon ceased to "float" as there is no atmosphere.

3. OP's orbit will degrade until the OP becomes a brief flash ending the experiment.
 Quoting: Prof_Rabbit

Well noted Prof Rabbit and I was awaiting for this re[ply, you have fell into my TRAP, yes, the balloon ceases to "float" as there is no atmosphere, so, how do the astronauts float around their vessels as seen on pictures?
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punisher = loser
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givedamn
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so, how do the astronauts float around their vessels as seen on pictures?
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Simple.

They are not 'floating'.

dumbass
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i thought outer space doesn't exist, punisher?

or is it just that the other planets do not?
 Quoting: The Goddess Pandora

Just the planets sweety.
sorry... i just have trouble following your "logic"
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punisher = loser
givedamn
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You clearly cared enough to post.

douche
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oh, and OP...the boosters are used to break the orbit, and maneuver the craft to the proper angle to penetrate the atmosphere...not to punch it through...if you drop a rock from a bridge, it penetrates the water...if you "skip" the rock at an oblique angle, it bounces off the surface.... the ballon in this example wont develop much velocity(low mass), so it will just "sink" into the atmosphere....same for the individual molecules of helium....
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so, how do the astronauts float around their vessels as seen on pictures?


Simple.

They are not 'floating'.dumbass
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Prove it, with a NASA link preferably, lol, they float around in there Space Station, lol, your owned by the Punisher!!!!!!
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This is how the Shuttle after plunging through the atmosphere falls back and hovers over the Earth and needs rocket boosters to help break-thru the first layers of these gases until inside this invisible dome then shuts off the engines and glides to the surface of Earth.
 Quoting: Punisher


Uh, no.
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Have you performed this experiment ?


Brother I have gathered all the scientific documentation regarding these gases and there physics and formulate the above mentioned into a quasi verbal mathematical equation, the O-P is indisputable as usual because the truth always is and about asking if I have access to NASA or their rockets to physically exercise the experiment is laughable as a rebuttal.
 Quoting: Punisher

The usual Punisher gibberish.

If you haven't performed the experiment, you don't know what will happen. You're only promoting what you THINK will happen.

Since you have proven to be completely intellectually dishonest and completely ignorant of basic Physics (you have admitted failing your math and science courses) as evidenced by your previous several dozen threads, I'd suggest actually performing some experiments and actually learning something.
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They are not 'floating'.dumbass
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Prove it, with a NASA link preferably, lol, they float around in there Space Station, lol, your owned by the Punisher!!!!!!
 Quoting: Punisher


The shuttle moves at appx 17,500 moph in orbit...The astronauts are going the same speed...

Face it.

You are just not able to grasp simple concepts of motion.

Go back to reading your 'God' mythology.
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oh, and OP...the boosters are used to break the orbit, and maneuver the craft to the proper angle to penetrate the atmosphere...not to punch it through...if you drop a rock from a bridge, it penetrates the water...if you "skip" the rock at an oblique angle, it bounces off the surface....
 Quoting: ambiguity unlimited

Oh my GOD, science really took a toll on you, use your own example: "if you drop a rock from a bridge, it penetrates the water...if you "skip" the rock at an oblique angle, it bounces off the surface" same for the Shuttle if it begins entrance at an angle it will just skip along the atmosphere, "man alive is everybody like you?"
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Helium symbol = He

If Iím holding a helium balloon in outer-space high above our Earthís atmosphere which way will the He-balloon float?

Question remains, which way will this helium balloon float?
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People have missed several points.

1. OP is holding the balloon, ergo the balloon will go where he goes.

2. OP is quote "in outer-space high above our Earthís atmosphere" the balloon ceased to "float" as there is no atmosphere.

3. OP's orbit will degrade until the OP becomes a brief flash ending the experiment.
Well noted Prof Rabbit and I was awaiting for this re[ply, you have fell into my TRAP, yes, the balloon ceases to "float" as there is no atmosphere, so, how do the astronauts float around their vessels as seen on pictures?
 Quoting: Punisher

equal momentum... they are all travelling at high speeds, in an orbital elipse....no atmospheric resistance, so they continue at equal speeds, in the same orbit.... they thrust themselves away from the orbiter(whether using a reaction system or just a physical push) and are either tethered, or use some reaction system to counter the momentum that forced them to leave the craft.....it's not "floating", it's matched orbits......
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Here are the specs for the ISS:

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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BTW

The shuttle does a 'deorbit burn' in order to 'slow down' the shuttle enough to allow gravity to 'draw' the shuttle down...

[link to www.nasa.gov]
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The usual Punisher gibberish.

If you haven't performed the experiment, you don't know what will happen. You're only promoting what you THINK will happen.

Since you have proven to be completely intellectually dishonest and completely ignorant of basic Physics (you have admitted failing your math and science courses) as evidenced by your previous several dozen threads, I'd suggest actually performing some experiments and actually learning something.
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But you felt disturbed and compelled to rebuttal as best you could, the truth will disturb the lie, only a lie will appease the lie within you, this is why the world is full of lies, this is why politicians lie to get elected so they don't disturb the voters, so they don't disturb you and place educational systems to help you through this life of lies you undoubtably have to live.
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oh, and OP...the boosters are used to break the orbit, and maneuver the craft to the proper angle to penetrate the atmosphere...not to punch it through...if you drop a rock from a bridge, it penetrates the water...if you "skip" the rock at an oblique angle, it bounces off the surface....


Oh my GOD, science really took a toll on you, use your own example: "if you drop a rock from a bridge, it penetrates the water...if you "skip" the rock at an oblique angle, it bounces off the surface" same for the Shuttle if it begins entrance at an angle it will just skip along the atmosphere, "man alive is everybody like you?"
 Quoting: Punisher

wow, your reading comprehension needs work.....the boosters are used to break the orbit, and maneuver the the craft to the proper angle to penetrate the atmosphere verbatim quote from my post....the boosters arent used to impart velocity to "punch through" an "invisble dome", do you actually read what others post, or is everyone here right, and you're just an attention whore? where in your quoted reply to my post do you actually contradict what i posted?
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People have missed several points.

1. OP is holding the balloon, ergo the balloon will go where he goes.

2. OP is quote "in outer-space high above our Earthís atmosphere" the balloon ceased to "float" as there is no atmosphere.

3. OP's orbit will degrade until the OP becomes a brief flash ending the experiment.
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Well noted Prof Rabbit and I was awaiting for this re[ply, you have fell into my TRAP, yes, the balloon ceases to "float" as there is no atmosphere, so, how do the astronauts float around their vessels as seen on pictures?
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equal momentum... they are all travelling at high speeds, in an orbital elipse....no atmospheric resistance, so they continue at equal speeds, in the same orbit.... they thrust themselves away from the orbiter(whether using a reaction system or just a physical push) and are either tethered, or use some reaction system to counter the momentum that forced them to leave the craft.....it's not "floating", it's matched orbits......
 Quoting: ambiguity unlimited

Man Alive!!!!

You love lies and there's no ifs or buts about it, if gases have their limits wouldn't you think that solids have theirs? Of course they do, once outside the atmosphere that's the limit, that's right buddy boy there is no Mars probe.





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