Joe Biden was no match for "Joe Six-Pack." ~ "Say it aint so Joe" By PEGGY NOONAN | |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 478606 United States 10/03/2008 11:00 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A peppy bubble headed booby who didn't even realize the question about expanded powers of the VP wasn't about "as VP ya get to do more stuff if ya wanna" -- it's about constitutional balance of power. Or, "it doesn't matter what causes global warming, we just have to fix it." (So, you fix it if you don't know what causes it ? Address the symptom versus the cause leads to mistakes, making things worse. There's a pattern of ideology that changes things, huh?!) One can memorize, rote and recite words and be an "echo chamber", but it doesn't demonstrate one has comprehension. You can love her and vote for her if you want, Pacy, but she's dumb, dumb, dumb. I don't think the White House is the right place for dummies. As long as she's not asked to explain herself (which is what happens in msm interviews if you notice) she can "look" competent. But that's all it is. If you can't explain yourself, it's empty words. A cartoon -- no substance. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 516527 United States 10/03/2008 11:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Peggy- ABOUT FACE- noonan. Well at least she got this one right. Palin was the aggressor and dictated the debate. Even the paid biased moderator got put in her place at the start. Biden was glad to get out of dodge by the time it was over. |
Read 'em & vEEP! User ID: 496154 United States 10/03/2008 11:05 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Chances of McCain winning election: 16.2% Estimated Obama Electoral College Votes 331 Oregon: ROCK SOLID BLUE (THAT'S MY FAVORITE STAT OF THEM ALL!) [link to www.fivethirtyeight.com] Pac, you're not even worth wasting key strokes these days. I'll just let the facts speak for themself. |
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jarha User ID: 109238 United States 10/03/2008 11:07 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I LOVE THIS PART "It's so obvious that I'm a Washington outsider, and someone just not used to the way you guys operate," she said at one point, criticizing him for voting for the Iraq war before speaking out against it. "Americans are craving that straight talk." Speak plainly and colloquially, she described herself as a working mother who understands "what the hurts are" for blue-collar voters. When Biden tried to link John McCain to President Bush, she chided him for looking to the past. "There ya' go again pointing backward," she said at one point. "Now doggone it, let's look ahead." SARAH PERFORMANCE WAS EXCELLENT, SHE WON THE DEBATE |
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Jesus H Christ User ID: 516524 United States 10/03/2008 11:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "How dare you offend the one person who represents Joe 12-pack! We need someone in Washington that Maverick and prisoner of War! Joe-Kegger and Hockey Moms know we need this about budgets and stuff. Healthcare and the bail-out and then over here job creation with mavericks! Alaska has cattle and oil. Joe 24-pack and pretzels will have a say in Washington where I want to be with John McCain and families and pitbulls! Lipstick." -Sarah Palin interview after the First and Only VP Debate when asked by New York Times Political reporter about why McCain voted so often with Bush. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 515751 United States 10/03/2008 11:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Joe Biden treated her like a lady, offered her respect as a woman and a governor and never attacked her. He just stuck to his points...and to the questions of the moderator. She, on the other hand, was disrespectful, petulant, attack mode, repetitive, off subject, inaccurate, looking like a teenager trying to argue with her dad, make him look bad. Like a beauty queen tryin' hard to show she had some intelligence...trying too hard with too little result. And she plagarized Reagan..goose for gander...she needs to be called out on it. If, that is, the little lady can take what she dishes out. Doubt it. She'll hide behind another protective shell of crying foul on "gotcha" politics and "censorship" She's absurd Peggy Noonan has political capital to win back after her initial "BS". |
AmazingLarry User ID: 438364 United States 10/03/2008 11:17 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | nice try PAC. It's sad though. You're way too smart to be eating this shit up. Since the beginning of the electoral process in this country it has been a prized and required skill to be able to DEBATE in front of an audience on your stance of political issues. If you honestly believe Sarah Palin did better than Joe Biden than i suggest you attend ANY 7th grade debate class and learn how to score and conduct a debate. Last night's debate did absolutely NOTHING for the republican party. Sarah Palin continually would indirectly answer a question and move to a completely unrelated string of topics ranging from her family to her executive experience. Joe Biden on the other hand answered the questions posed to him, he was on point, he made few to no personal remarks regarding Palin or her terrible performance. In these debates we need to be looking at the bigger picture not who ya like more. Sarah Palin flounders on important issues, and being a washington outsider is no excuse. Anyone undecided and on the fence that i've spoken to still hasnt made a decision but you can bet your ass no one was blown away by how well Governor Palin conducted herself. It was child's play and IMHO Biden handed Palin's ass to her on a plate. with a bill. Democrats and undecided voters unfamiliar with Biden's style got a good look at a man with integrity that will fight for what he believes in regardless if the president himself disagrees. He showed a rare moment of weakness when speaking of his child, but i feel it was charming and gave you a sense of Biden's ablility to connect emotionally. I saw a passionate man who wanted to change this country for the better and protect it's people from the profiteering thieves that have raped this country of any integrity it has. In sarah Palin i saw the same glib woman who cares very little about me, my family, my taxes, my healthcare, my children, the war. You name it. Instead of having healthy argumnents she tried to nail Biden with zingers that fizzled out as soon as Biden began his counterpoint. You can bet she went home that night and for a split second she lost that shit eating cheshire cat grin. Watch closer now, she knows she's playing with fire. You have to be an IDIOT to think Palin had ANYTHING on Biden in last night's debate. Love, Larry If life is but a dream, wake me up. |
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PACNWguy (OP) User ID: 501628 United States 10/03/2008 11:21 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here are the facts kids. If Biden won the debate, it was on points. That is different than winning hearts and votes. 95% of voters will not vote for someone they dont personally like. What happened last night is millions of Americans came to the conclusion that they were right about her 5 weeks ago. Palin came on the scene and people had a "gut" feeling about her. They liked her. They liked her a lot. Since then the MSN who hate her has caused a lot of Palin supporters to second guess their original feelings about Palin. But last night, they sat there and smiled. "Nah, I wasnt wrong about her,,,,She really is fucking awesome." And then they thought about the MSM...."they can go fuck themselves..." OBAMA - THE FASTEST FAILED PRESIDENT IN AMERICAN HISTORY "I inherated and I am Great!" |
jarha User ID: 109238 United States 10/03/2008 11:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A peppy bubble headed booby who didn't even realize the question about expanded powers of the VP wasn't about "as VP ya get to do more stuff if ya wanna" -- it's about constitutional balance of power. Or, "it doesn't matter what causes global warming, we just have to fix it." (So, you fix it if you don't know what causes it ? Address the symptom versus the cause leads to mistakes, making things worse. There's a pattern of ideology that changes things, huh?!) One can memorize, rote and recite words and be an "echo chamber", but it doesn't demonstrate one has comprehension. You can love her and vote for her if you want, Pacy, but she's dumb, dumb, dumb. I don't think the White House is the right place for dummies. As long as she's not asked to explain herself (which is what happens in msm interviews if you notice) she can "look" competent. But that's all it is. If you can't explain yourself, it's empty words. A cartoon -- no substance. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 478606""it doesn't matter what causes global warming, we just have to fix it." YOU ARE IDIOT! NOBODY KNOWS WHAT CAUSES GLOBAL WARMING. THERE IS NOT CONVINCING SCIENTIFIC SUPPORT THAT HUMAN DISCHARGE OF CARBON DIOXIDE, METHANE, OR OTHER GREENHOUSE GASES IS CAUSING OF WILL, IN THE PROJECTED FUTURE, CAUSE DISASTROUS WARMING OF THE EARTH’S ATMOSPHERE AND DISTURBANCE OR CHANGE OF THE EARTH’S CLIMATE. THERE IS CONSIDERABLE EVIDENCE THAT THE CURRENT WARMING IS ENTIRELY NATURAL AND OBEYS TO PERIODICAL CHANGES IN THE PLANETARY SYSTEM. THE ATTRIBUTION OF THE GLOBAL WARMING TO THE CARBON DIOXIDE GENERATED FROM HUMAN ACTIVITIES IS A FALLACY. THE PROBLEM IS THAT -FOR REASONS MORE POLITICAL THAN RATIONAL- SOME ACADEMIES HAVE BEEN ADHERED TO UNWISE RADICAL-ENVIRONMENTALIST GROUNDS SO THEY ARE BEING VERY SELECTIVE ON THE PUBLICATION AND DIFFUSION OF SCIENTIFIC REPORTS THAT ARE REFERRING THIS MATTER. AND IF SOMEBODY IS "dumb, dumb, dumb" IT IS YOU AND AL GORE! |
Billy Bones User ID: 516253 United States 10/03/2008 11:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | nice try PAC. Quoting: AmazingLarryIt's sad though. You're way too smart to be eating this shit up. Since the beginning of the electoral process in this country it has been a prized and required skill to be able to DEBATE in front of an audience on your stance of political issues. If you honestly believe Sarah Palin did better than Joe Biden than i suggest you attend ANY 7th grade debate class and learn how to score and conduct a debate. Last night's debate did absolutely NOTHING for the republican party. Sarah Palin continually would indirectly answer a question and move to a completely unrelated string of topics ranging from her family to her executive experience. Joe Biden on the other hand answered the questions posed to him, he was on point, he made few to no personal remarks regarding Palin or her terrible performance. In these debates we need to be looking at the bigger picture not who ya like more. Sarah Palin flounders on important issues, and being a washington outsider is no excuse. Anyone undecided and on the fence that i've spoken to still hasnt made a decision but you can bet your ass no one was blown away by how well Governor Palin conducted herself. It was child's play and IMHO Biden handed Palin's ass to her on a plate. with a bill. Democrats and undecided voters unfamiliar with Biden's style got a good look at a man with integrity that will fight for what he believes in regardless if the president himself disagrees. He showed a rare moment of weakness when speaking of his child, but i feel it was charming and gave you a sense of Biden's ablility to connect emotionally. I saw a passionate man who wanted to change this country for the better and protect it's people from the profiteering thieves that have raped this country of any integrity it has. In sarah Palin i saw the same glib woman who cares very little about me, my family, my taxes, my healthcare, my children, the war. You name it. Instead of having healthy argumnents she tried to nail Biden with zingers that fizzled out as soon as Biden began his counterpoint. You can bet she went home that night and for a split second she lost that shit eating cheshire cat grin. Watch closer now, she knows she's playing with fire. You have to be an IDIOT to think Palin had ANYTHING on Biden in last night's debate. Love, Larry To keep telling yourself that is delusional. Everytime I looked at Joe, this is what I saw... ..."Stand up Chuck...stand up - let 'em see ya, buddy....Oh god- god bless ya Chuck..." |
AmazingLarry User ID: 438364 United States 10/03/2008 11:28 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Here are the facts kids. Quoting: PACNWguyIf Biden won the debate, it was on points. That is different than winning hearts and votes. 95% of voters will not vote for someone they dont personally like. What happened last night is millions of Americans came to the conclusion that they were right about her 5 weeks ago. Palin came on the scene and people had a "gut" feeling about her. They liked her. They liked her a lot. Since then the MSN who hate her has caused a lot of Palin supporters to second guess their original feelings about Palin. But last night, they sat there and smiled. "Nah, I wasnt wrong about her,,,,She really is fucking awesome." And then they thought about the MSM...."they can go fuck themselves..." You are honestly delusional if you believe that. She was out of her league and always will be. The moderator probably is more well versed on the office of vice president. I don't like her. Most WOMEN i know, DONT LIKE HER. Regardless of partisanship. And i'm a VERY largely conservative state. She DOES NOT SPEAK TO THE AVERAGE VOTER. Instead she tries to inject her motherhood and alaskan oil into EVERY answer she can't give. She couldn't even be clear on WHY her own executive experience makes her qualified. Only that it does. This kind of mis(or non)representation in the white house would be absolutely unacceptable. WHY did you decide on that VP Palin? Because i did. And McCain said it was a good idea. and I've been an executive and a mother. Case closed. If life is but a dream, wake me up. |
PACNWguy (OP) User ID: 501628 United States 10/03/2008 11:31 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What the debate accomplished last night is it took the VP issue off the table. The debate was a national "test" for Palin and she passed it with flying colors. Biden didnt have to do anything but stand there. He wasnt anything more than a prop. The focus was 99% on Palin. She is now a viable and confirmed candidate for VP. The election will now be just between the two leaders for the remainder of the month. OBAMA - THE FASTEST FAILED PRESIDENT IN AMERICAN HISTORY "I inherated and I am Great!" |
PACNWguy (OP) User ID: 501628 United States 10/03/2008 11:34 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't like her. Most WOMEN i know, DONT LIKE HER. Regardless of partisanship. And i'm a VERY largely conservative state. Quoting: AmazingLarryShe DOES NOT SPEAK TO THE AVERAGE VOTER. Go anywhere in the nation and announce two rallys. One with Joey Biden and one with Sarah Palin. The crowd would be 10- 20 times more for Palin. OBAMA - THE FASTEST FAILED PRESIDENT IN AMERICAN HISTORY "I inherated and I am Great!" |
jarha User ID: 109238 United States 10/03/2008 11:35 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Joe Biden treated her like a lady, offered her respect as a woman and a governor and never attacked her. He just stuck to his points...and to the questions of the moderator. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 515751She, on the other hand, was disrespectful, petulant, attack mode, repetitive, off subject, inaccurate, looking like a teenager trying to argue with her dad, make him look bad. Like a beauty queen tryin' hard to show she had some intelligence...trying too hard with too little result. And she plagarized Reagan..goose for gander...she needs to be called out on it. If, that is, the little lady can take what she dishes out. Doubt it. She'll hide behind another protective shell of crying foul on "gotcha" politics and "censorship" She's absurd Peggy Noonan has political capital to win back after her initial "BS". Biden wrongly claimed that McCain “voted the exact same way” as Obama on the budget bill that contained an increase on singles making as little as $42,000 a year. McCain voted against it. ................. Biden wrongly claimed that McCain had said "he wouldn't even sit down" with the government of Spain. Actually, McCain didn't reject a meeting, but simply refused to commit himself one way or the other during an interview. ................. Biden incorrectly said “John McCain voted the exact same way” as Obama on a controversial troop funding bill. The two were actually on opposite sides. ................. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 478606 United States 10/03/2008 11:36 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Winning votes on "hearts" might take an election, but it certainly doesn't address ability to help solve our national and global issues. It might "feel" nice, but that's it. Get drunk and do drugs will make you feel nice, too. That'll work, won't it ? |
PACNWguy (OP) User ID: 501628 United States 10/03/2008 11:41 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Winning votes on "hearts" might take an election, but it certainly doesn't address ability to help solve our national and global issues. It might "feel" nice, but that's it. Get drunk and do drugs will make you feel nice, too. That'll work, won't it ? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 478606Using your logic then Mondale should have beat Reagan. If the election was today and it was Biden vs Palin. Palin would win by a massive landslide. Because of her personality. Personality and confidence is what makes a leader a leader. Not a fucking IQ and 35 years of being an observer. OBAMA - THE FASTEST FAILED PRESIDENT IN AMERICAN HISTORY "I inherated and I am Great!" |
Godot User ID: 489464 United States 10/03/2008 11:42 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Poll Date Sample Obama (D) McCain (R) Spread RCP Average 09/26 - 10/02 -- 49.1 43.5 Obama +5.6 Rasmussen Tracking 09/30 - 10/02 3000 LV 51 44 Obama +7 Hotline/FD Tracking 09/30 - 10/02 909 RV 48 42 Obama +6 GW/Battleground 09/29 - 10/02 800 LV 49 46 Obama +3 Gallup Tracking 09/29 - 10/01 2747 RV 48 43 Obama +5 Marist 09/28 - 09/30 943 LV 49 44 Obama +5 CBS News 09/27 - 09/30 769 LV 50 41 Obama +9 Associated Press/GfK 09/27 - 09/30 808 LV 48 41 Obama +7 ABC News/Wash Post 09/27 - 09/29 916 LV 50 46 Obama +4 Pew Research 09/27 - 09/29 1181 LV 49 43 Obama +6 Ipsos/McClatchy 09/26 - 09/29 1007 RV 48 45 Obama +3 Time 09/26 - 09/29 1133 LV 50 43 Obama +7 Yes it's safe, it's very safe, it's so safe you wouldn't believe it.... ... No, it's not safe, it's very dangerous. Be Careful. |
PACNWguy (OP) User ID: 501628 United States 10/03/2008 11:48 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | AOL LIVE POLL HALF MILLION VOTES PALIN AHEAD [link to webcenter.polls.aol.com] OBAMA - THE FASTEST FAILED PRESIDENT IN AMERICAN HISTORY "I inherated and I am Great!" |
AmazingLarry User ID: 438364 United States 10/03/2008 11:51 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't like her. Most WOMEN i know, DONT LIKE HER. Regardless of partisanship. And i'm a VERY largely conservative state. Quoting: PACNWguyShe DOES NOT SPEAK TO THE AVERAGE VOTER. Go anywhere in the nation and announce two rallys. One with Joey Biden and one with Sarah Palin. The crowd would be 10- 20 times more for Palin. That's a ridiculous figure and you fucking know it. Spare me this fanboy shit and give me something REAL to chew on. If there were a higher crowd it would only be due to people's need to witness a car crash. I waited for the highlights on the McCain Obama debate. I watched the Yosemite Sarah vs Jo Biden debate for the pure spectacle of it all. I wanted to see if Biden would say anything stupid and i wanted to see if Palin could hold her own, which she could not. Let's not forget that on the floor you HAVE NO MODERATOR. No one to bail you out when you're flowndering. And if you believe that sexism will have a role in VOTING for a candidate how do you think this woman will stand up to the mysogonists in senate. They'll bully her and she'll have nothing left to do but sob. If you think sexism is a problem If life is but a dream, wake me up. |
AmazingLarry User ID: 438364 United States 10/03/2008 11:53 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Winning votes on "hearts" might take an election, but it certainly doesn't address ability to help solve our national and global issues. It might "feel" nice, but that's it. Get drunk and do drugs will make you feel nice, too. That'll work, won't it ? Quoting: PACNWguyUsing your logic then Mondale should have beat Reagan. If the election was today and it was Biden vs Palin. Palin would win by a massive landslide. Because of her personality. Personality and confidence is what makes a leader a leader. Not a fucking IQ and 35 years of being an observer. Reagan also knew what's BEST for our country. Palin hasn't the faintest clue on how to fix any major or fundemental problems facing the average taxpayer. Healthcare - not a word Education - Barely mentioned Give me a break. If life is but a dream, wake me up. |
Reece2076 User ID: 514993 China 10/03/2008 11:55 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | What the debate accomplished last night is it took the VP issue off the table. Quoting: PACNWguyThe debate was a national "test" for Palin and she passed it with flying colors. Biden didnt have to do anything but stand there. He wasnt anything more than a prop. The focus was 99% on Palin. She is now a viable and confirmed candidate for VP. The election will now be just between the two leaders for the remainder of the month. yet still less than half of Americans think she is qualified to be president... :sduh: As Above, So Below Work Smarter, Not Harder |
12Follow User ID: 341826 United States 10/03/2008 11:56 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I don't like her. Most WOMEN i know, DONT LIKE HER. Regardless of partisanship. And i'm a VERY largely conservative state. Quoting: PACNWguyShe DOES NOT SPEAK TO THE AVERAGE VOTER. Go anywhere in the nation and announce two rallys. One with Joey Biden and one with Sarah Palin. The crowd would be 10- 20 times more for Palin. and an obama crowd is 40-50 times larger than mccain. what's your point, cap'n copy and paste? |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 478606 United States 10/03/2008 11:57 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | A peppy bubble headed booby who didn't even realize the question about expanded powers of the VP wasn't about "as VP ya get to do more stuff if ya wanna" -- it's about constitutional balance of power. Or, "it doesn't matter what causes global warming, we just have to fix it." (So, you fix it if you don't know what causes it ? Address the symptom versus the cause leads to mistakes, making things worse. There's a pattern of ideology that changes things, huh?!) One can memorize, rote and recite words and be an "echo chamber", but it doesn't demonstrate one has comprehension. You can love her and vote for her if you want, Pacy, but she's dumb, dumb, dumb. I don't think the White House is the right place for dummies. As long as she's not asked to explain herself (which is what happens in msm interviews if you notice) she can "look" competent. But that's all it is. If you can't explain yourself, it's empty words. A cartoon -- no substance. Quoting: jarha""it doesn't matter what causes global warming, we just have to fix it." YOU ARE IDIOT! NOBODY KNOWS WHAT CAUSES GLOBAL WARMING. THERE IS NOT CONVINCING SCIENTIFIC SUPPORT THAT HUMAN DISCHARGE OF CARBON DIOXIDE, METHANE, OR OTHER GREENHOUSE GASES IS CAUSING OF WILL, IN THE PROJECTED FUTURE, CAUSE DISASTROUS WARMING OF THE EARTH’S ATMOSPHERE AND DISTURBANCE OR CHANGE OF THE EARTH’S CLIMATE. THERE IS CONSIDERABLE EVIDENCE THAT THE CURRENT WARMING IS ENTIRELY NATURAL AND OBEYS TO PERIODICAL CHANGES IN THE PLANETARY SYSTEM. THE ATTRIBUTION OF THE GLOBAL WARMING TO THE CARBON DIOXIDE GENERATED FROM HUMAN ACTIVITIES IS A FALLACY. THE PROBLEM IS THAT -FOR REASONS MORE POLITICAL THAN RATIONAL- SOME ACADEMIES HAVE BEEN ADHERED TO UNWISE RADICAL-ENVIRONMENTALIST GROUNDS SO THEY ARE BEING VERY SELECTIVE ON THE PUBLICATION AND DIFFUSION OF SCIENTIFIC REPORTS THAT ARE REFERRING THIS MATTER. AND IF SOMEBODY IS "dumb, dumb, dumb" IT IS YOU AND AL GORE! It doesn't take a mental giant to figure out if you don't work in concert with gaia, industrial waste will damage it. (Know what's in your water now, your soil that's grows your food, your air that you breathe? Same principle.) |
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