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Joe Biden was no match for "Joe Six-Pack." ~ "Say it aint so Joe" By PEGGY NOONAN

 
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Palin the Populist Joe Biden was no match for "Joe Six-Pack."By PEGGY NOONAN

She killed. She had him at "Nice to meet you. Hey, can I call you Joe?" She was the star. He was the second male lead, the good-natured best friend of the leading man. She was not petrified but peppy.

APThe whole debate was about Sarah Palin. She is not a person of thought but of action. Interviews are about thinking, about reflecting, marshaling data and integrating it into an answer. Debates are more active, more propelled—they are thrust and parry. They are for campaigners. She is a campaigner. Her syntax did not hold, but her magnetism did. At one point she literally winked at the nation.

As far as Mrs. Palin was concerned, Gwen Ifill was not there, and Joe Biden was not there. Sarah and the camera were there. This was classic "talk over the heads of the media straight to the people," and it is a long time since I've seen it done so well, though so transparently. There were moments when she seemed to be doing an infomercial pitch for charm in politics. But it was an effective infomercial.

Joe Biden seems to have walked in thinking that she was an idiot and that he only had to patiently wait for this fact to reveal itself. This was a miscalculation. He showed great forbearance. Too much forbearance. She said of his intentions on Iraq, "Your plan is a white flag of surrender." This deserved an indignant response, or at least a small bop on the head, from Mr. Biden, who has been for five years righter on Iraq than the Republican administration. He was instead mild.

The heart of her message was a complete populist pitch. "Joe Six-Pack" and "soccer moms" should unite to fight the tormentors who forced mortgages on us. She spoke of "Main Streeters like me." A question is at what point shiny, happy populism becomes cheerful manipulation.

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Sarah Palin saved John McCain again Thursday night. She is the political equivalent of cardiac paddles: Clear! Zap! We've got a beat! She will re-electrify the base. More than that, an hour and a half of talking to America will take her to a new level of stardom. Watch her crowds this weekend. She's about to get jumpers, the old political name for people who are so excited to see you they start to jump.

Her triumph comes at an interesting time. The failure of the first bailout bill was an epic repudiation of the Washington leadership class by the American people. Two weeks ago the president of the United States, the speaker of the House, the secretary of the Treasury and the leadership of both parties in Congress came forward and announced that the economy was in crisis and a federal bill to solve it urgently needed. The powers were in agreement, the stars aligned, it was going to happen.

And then the phones began to ring, from one end of Capitol Hill to the other. And the message in those calls was, essentially: We don't trust you to fix the problem, we suspect you may have caused it. Go away.

It was an epic snub, aimed at both parties. And the bill tanked.

We have simply, as a nation, never had a moment like this, in which the American people voted such a stunning no-confidence in America's leaders in a time of real and present danger. The fate of the second bill is unclear as I write, but the fact that it has morphed from three pages to roughly 450, and is festooned with favors, will do nothing to allay public suspicions about the trustworthiness of Congress. This, as a background, could not have helped Mr. Biden.

We have never seen an economic meltdown like this? We've never seen a presidential meltdown like this. George W. Bush's weakness is not all lame-duckship. In the last year of his presidency Ronald Reagan met with Mikhail Gorbachev in Moscow and helped change the world. In the penultimate year of his presidency, Bill Clinton sent U.S. troops, successfully, into Kosovo.

After the first bailout failed, Mr. Bush spoke like a man who was a mere commentator, not the leader in a crisis.

We witness here a great political lesson. When you are president, it matters—it really matters—that a majority of the people support and respect you. When you squander that affection, you lose more than mere popularity. You lose the ability to lead when your country is in crisis. This is a terrible loss, and a dangerous one, for the whole world is watching.

Young aides to Reagan used to grouse, late in his second term, that he had high popularity levels, that popularity was capital, and that he should spend it more freely on potential breakthroughs of this kind or that. But Reagan and the men around him were wiser. They spent when they had to and were otherwise prudent. (Is there a larger lesson here?) They were not daring when they didn't have to be. They knew presidential popularity is a jewel to be protected, and to be burnished when possible, because without it you can do nothing. Without the support and trust of the people you cannot move, cannot command. You are left, like Mr. Bush, talking to an empty room.

We saw this week, too, a turn in the McCain campaign's response to criticisms of Mrs. Palin. I find obnoxious the political game in which if you expressed doubts about the vice presidential nominee, or criticized her, you were treated as if you were knocking the real America—small towns, sound values. "It's time that normal Joe Six-Pack American is finally represented in the position of vice presidency," Mrs. Palin told talk-show host Hugh Hewitt. This left me trying to imagine Abe Lincoln saying he represents "backwoods types," or FDR announcing that the fading New York aristocracy deserves another moment in the sun. I'm not sure the McCain campaign is aware of it—it's possible they are—but this is subtly divisive. As for the dismissal of conservative critics of Mrs. Palin as "Georgetown cocktail party types" (that was Mr. McCain), well, my goodness. That is the authentic sound of the aggression, and phony populism, of the Bush White House. Good move. That ended well.

We must take happiness where we can. Tina Fey's Sarah Palin has become, in that old phrase, a national sensation, and Ms. Fey is becoming, with her show "30 Rock," and now the Palin impression, one of the great comic figures of her generation. Her work with Amy Poehler (as Katie Couric) in last weekend's spoof on "Saturday Night Live" was so astoundingly good—the hand gestures, the vocal tone and spirit—that it captured some of the actual heart of the Palin story. Ms. Poehler as Couric: "Mrs. Palin, are you aware that when cornered you become increasingly adorable?" Ms. Fey as Palin mugs, adorably.

To spoof someone well takes talent, but to utterly nail a political figure while not brutalizing him takes a real gift, and amounts almost to a public service. After all, to capture someone is a kind of tribute: it concedes he is real, vivid, worthy of note. We are not as a nation manufacturing trust all that well, or competence, or leadership. But some things we do well, and one is comedy. Ms. Fey plays characters who are sour, stressed and who, on "30 Rock," live in a world that is cynical, provisional and shallow. But to observe life so closely takes a kind of love.

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A peppy bubble headed booby who didn't even realize the question about expanded powers of the VP wasn't about "as VP ya get to do more stuff if ya wanna" -- it's about constitutional balance of power. Or, "it doesn't matter what causes global warming, we just have to fix it." (So, you fix it if you don't know what causes it ? Address the symptom versus the cause leads to mistakes, making things worse. There's a pattern of ideology that changes things, huh?!) One can memorize, rote and recite words and be an "echo chamber", but it doesn't demonstrate one has comprehension. You can love her and vote for her if you want, Pacy, but she's dumb, dumb, dumb. I don't think the White House is the right place for dummies. As long as she's not asked to explain herself (which is what happens in msm interviews if you notice) she can "look" competent. But that's all it is. If you can't explain yourself, it's empty words. A cartoon -- no substance.
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Peggy- ABOUT FACE- noonan.

Well at least she got this one right.
Palin was the aggressor and dictated the debate.
Even the paid biased moderator got put in her place at the start. Biden was glad to get out of dodge by the time it was over.
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Chances of McCain winning election: 16.2%


Estimated Obama Electoral College Votes 331


Oregon: ROCK SOLID BLUE (THAT'S MY FAVORITE STAT OF THEM ALL!)


[link to www.fivethirtyeight.com]


Pac, you're not even worth wasting key strokes these days. I'll just let the facts speak for themself.
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When Biden ran for president he only got 8,000 votes.

Now all of a sudden everyone thinks he is the cat's meow.

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I LOVE THIS PART

"It's so obvious that I'm a Washington outsider, and someone just not used to the way you guys operate," she said at one point, criticizing him for voting for the Iraq war before speaking out against it. "Americans are craving that straight talk."

Speak plainly and colloquially,
she described herself as a working mother who understands "what the hurts are" for blue-collar voters.

When Biden tried to link John McCain to President Bush
, she chided him for looking to the past.

"There ya' go again pointing backward," she said at one point. "Now doggone it, let's look ahead."

SARAH PERFORMANCE WAS EXCELLENT, SHE WON THE DEBATE

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A housewife from Alaska beat a 35 year Washington Belt Way Boy.
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"How dare you offend the one person who represents Joe 12-pack! We need someone in Washington that Maverick and prisoner of War! Joe-Kegger and Hockey Moms know we need this about budgets and stuff. Healthcare and the bail-out and then over here job creation with mavericks! Alaska has cattle and oil. Joe 24-pack and pretzels will have a say in Washington where I want to be with John McCain and families and pitbulls! Lipstick."

-Sarah Palin interview after the First and Only VP Debate when asked by New York Times Political reporter about why McCain voted so often with Bush.
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You guys are wanting to wave the white flag of surrender in Iraq Joe.

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Joe Biden treated her like a lady, offered her respect as a woman and a governor and never attacked her. He just stuck to his points...and to the questions of the moderator.

She, on the other hand, was disrespectful, petulant, attack mode, repetitive, off subject, inaccurate, looking like a teenager trying to argue with her dad, make him look bad. Like a beauty queen tryin' hard to show she had some intelligence...trying too hard with too little result.

And she plagarized Reagan..goose for gander...she needs to be called out on it. If, that is, the little lady can take what she dishes out. Doubt it. She'll hide behind another protective shell of crying foul on "gotcha" politics and "censorship" She's absurd

Peggy Noonan has political capital to win back after her initial "BS".
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nice try PAC.

It's sad though. You're way too smart to be eating this shit up.

Since the beginning of the electoral process in this country it has been a prized and required skill to be able to DEBATE in front of an audience on your stance of political issues.

If you honestly believe Sarah Palin did better than Joe Biden than i suggest you attend ANY 7th grade debate class and learn how to score and conduct a debate.

Last night's debate did absolutely NOTHING for the republican party. Sarah Palin continually would indirectly answer a question and move to a completely unrelated string of topics ranging from her family to her executive experience.

Joe Biden on the other hand answered the questions posed to him, he was on point, he made few to no personal remarks regarding Palin or her terrible performance.

In these debates we need to be looking at the bigger picture not who ya like more.

Sarah Palin flounders on important issues, and being a washington outsider is no excuse. Anyone undecided and on the fence that i've spoken to still hasnt made a decision but you can bet your ass no one was blown away by how well Governor Palin conducted herself. It was child's play and IMHO Biden handed Palin's ass to her on a plate. with a bill.

Democrats and undecided voters unfamiliar with Biden's style got a good look at a man with integrity that will fight for what he believes in regardless if the president himself disagrees. He showed a rare moment of weakness when speaking of his child, but i feel it was charming and gave you a sense of Biden's ablility to connect emotionally.

I saw a passionate man who wanted to change this country for the better and protect it's people from the profiteering thieves that have raped this country of any integrity it has.

In sarah Palin i saw the same glib woman who cares very little about me, my family, my taxes, my healthcare, my children, the war. You name it.

Instead of having healthy argumnents she tried to nail Biden with zingers that fizzled out as soon as Biden began his counterpoint.

You can bet she went home that night and for a split second she lost that shit eating cheshire cat grin.

Watch closer now, she knows she's playing with fire.

You have to be an IDIOT to think Palin had ANYTHING on Biden in last night's debate.

Love,

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Here are the facts kids.

If Biden won the debate, it was on points. That is different than winning hearts and votes.

95% of voters will not vote for someone they dont personally like.

What happened last night is millions of Americans came to the conclusion that they were right about her 5 weeks ago.

Palin came on the scene and people had a "gut" feeling about her. They liked her. They liked her a lot.

Since then the MSN who hate her has caused a lot of Palin supporters to second guess their original feelings about Palin.

But last night, they sat there and smiled. "Nah, I wasnt wrong about her,,,,She really is fucking awesome."

And then they thought about the MSM...."they can go fuck themselves..."
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A peppy bubble headed booby who didn't even realize the question about expanded powers of the VP wasn't about "as VP ya get to do more stuff if ya wanna" -- it's about constitutional balance of power. Or, "it doesn't matter what causes global warming, we just have to fix it." (So, you fix it if you don't know what causes it ? Address the symptom versus the cause leads to mistakes, making things worse. There's a pattern of ideology that changes things, huh?!) One can memorize, rote and recite words and be an "echo chamber", but it doesn't demonstrate one has comprehension. You can love her and vote for her if you want, Pacy, but she's dumb, dumb, dumb. I don't think the White House is the right place for dummies. As long as she's not asked to explain herself (which is what happens in msm interviews if you notice) she can "look" competent. But that's all it is. If you can't explain yourself, it's empty words. A cartoon -- no substance.
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""it doesn't matter what causes global warming, we just have to fix it."

YOU ARE IDIOT! NOBODY KNOWS WHAT CAUSES GLOBAL WARMING.

THERE IS NOT CONVINCING SCIENTIFIC SUPPORT THAT HUMAN DISCHARGE OF CARBON DIOXIDE, METHANE, OR OTHER GREENHOUSE GASES IS CAUSING OF WILL, IN THE PROJECTED FUTURE, CAUSE DISASTROUS WARMING OF THE EARTH’S ATMOSPHERE AND DISTURBANCE OR CHANGE OF THE EARTH’S CLIMATE.

THERE IS CONSIDERABLE EVIDENCE THAT THE CURRENT WARMING IS ENTIRELY NATURAL AND OBEYS TO PERIODICAL CHANGES IN THE PLANETARY SYSTEM. THE ATTRIBUTION OF THE GLOBAL WARMING TO THE CARBON DIOXIDE GENERATED FROM HUMAN ACTIVITIES IS A FALLACY.

THE PROBLEM IS THAT -FOR REASONS MORE POLITICAL THAN RATIONAL- SOME ACADEMIES HAVE BEEN ADHERED TO UNWISE RADICAL-ENVIRONMENTALIST GROUNDS SO THEY ARE BEING VERY SELECTIVE ON THE PUBLICATION AND DIFFUSION OF SCIENTIFIC REPORTS THAT ARE REFERRING THIS MATTER.

AND IF SOMEBODY IS "dumb, dumb, dumb" IT IS YOU AND AL GORE!
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nice try PAC.

It's sad though. You're way too smart to be eating this shit up.

Since the beginning of the electoral process in this country it has been a prized and required skill to be able to DEBATE in front of an audience on your stance of political issues.

If you honestly believe Sarah Palin did better than Joe Biden than i suggest you attend ANY 7th grade debate class and learn how to score and conduct a debate.

Last night's debate did absolutely NOTHING for the republican party. Sarah Palin continually would indirectly answer a question and move to a completely unrelated string of topics ranging from her family to her executive experience.

Joe Biden on the other hand answered the questions posed to him, he was on point, he made few to no personal remarks regarding Palin or her terrible performance.

In these debates we need to be looking at the bigger picture not who ya like more.

Sarah Palin flounders on important issues, and being a washington outsider is no excuse. Anyone undecided and on the fence that i've spoken to still hasnt made a decision but you can bet your ass no one was blown away by how well Governor Palin conducted herself. It was child's play and IMHO Biden handed Palin's ass to her on a plate. with a bill.

Democrats and undecided voters unfamiliar with Biden's style got a good look at a man with integrity that will fight for what he believes in regardless if the president himself disagrees. He showed a rare moment of weakness when speaking of his child, but i feel it was charming and gave you a sense of Biden's ablility to connect emotionally.

I saw a passionate man who wanted to change this country for the better and protect it's people from the profiteering thieves that have raped this country of any integrity it has.

In sarah Palin i saw the same glib woman who cares very little about me, my family, my taxes, my healthcare, my children, the war. You name it.

Instead of having healthy argumnents she tried to nail Biden with zingers that fizzled out as soon as Biden began his counterpoint.

You can bet she went home that night and for a split second she lost that shit eating cheshire cat grin.

Watch closer now, she knows she's playing with fire.

You have to be an IDIOT to think Palin had ANYTHING on Biden in last night's debate.

Love,

Larry
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To keep telling yourself that is delusional.

Everytime I looked at Joe, this is what I saw...


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Here are the facts kids.

If Biden won the debate, it was on points. That is different than winning hearts and votes.

95% of voters will not vote for someone they dont personally like.

What happened last night is millions of Americans came to the conclusion that they were right about her 5 weeks ago.

Palin came on the scene and people had a "gut" feeling about her. They liked her. They liked her a lot.

Since then the MSN who hate her has caused a lot of Palin supporters to second guess their original feelings about Palin.

But last night, they sat there and smiled. "Nah, I wasnt wrong about her,,,,She really is fucking awesome."

And then they thought about the MSM...."they can go fuck themselves..."
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You are honestly delusional if you believe that.

She was out of her league and always will be.

The moderator probably is more well versed on the office of vice president.

I don't like her. Most WOMEN i know, DONT LIKE HER. Regardless of partisanship. And i'm a VERY largely conservative state.

She DOES NOT SPEAK TO THE AVERAGE VOTER.

Instead she tries to inject her motherhood and alaskan oil into EVERY answer she can't give.

She couldn't even be clear on WHY her own executive experience makes her qualified. Only that it does. This kind of mis(or non)representation in the white house would be absolutely unacceptable.

WHY did you decide on that VP Palin?

Because i did. And McCain said it was a good idea. and I've been an executive and a mother.

Case closed.
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What the debate accomplished last night is it took the VP issue off the table.

The debate was a national "test" for Palin and she passed it with flying colors.

Biden didnt have to do anything but stand there. He wasnt anything more than a prop.

The focus was 99% on Palin.

She is now a viable and confirmed candidate for VP.

The election will now be just between the two leaders for the remainder of the month.
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I don't like her. Most WOMEN i know, DONT LIKE HER. Regardless of partisanship. And i'm a VERY largely conservative state.

She DOES NOT SPEAK TO THE AVERAGE VOTER.

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Go anywhere in the nation and announce two rallys. One with Joey Biden and one with Sarah Palin.

The crowd would be 10- 20 times more for Palin.
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Joe Biden treated her like a lady, offered her respect as a woman and a governor and never attacked her. He just stuck to his points...and to the questions of the moderator.

She, on the other hand, was disrespectful, petulant, attack mode, repetitive, off subject, inaccurate, looking like a teenager trying to argue with her dad, make him look bad. Like a beauty queen tryin' hard to show she had some intelligence...trying too hard with too little result.

And she plagarized Reagan..goose for gander...she needs to be called out on it. If, that is, the little lady can take what she dishes out. Doubt it. She'll hide behind another protective shell of crying foul on "gotcha" politics and "censorship" She's absurd

Peggy Noonan has political capital to win back after her initial "BS".
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Biden wrongly claimed that McCain “voted the exact same way” as Obama
on the budget bill that contained an increase on singles
making as little as $42,000 a year. McCain voted against it.
.................
Biden wrongly claimed that McCain had said "he wouldn't even sit down" with the government of Spain. Actually, McCain didn't reject a meeting, but simply refused to commit himself one way or the other during an interview.
.................
Biden incorrectly said “John McCain voted the exact same way” as Obama on a controversial troop funding bill. The two were actually on opposite sides.
.................
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Winning votes on "hearts" might take an election, but it certainly doesn't address ability to help solve our national and global issues. It might "feel" nice, but that's it. Get drunk and do drugs will make you feel nice, too. That'll work, won't it ?
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Winning votes on "hearts" might take an election, but it certainly doesn't address ability to help solve our national and global issues. It might "feel" nice, but that's it. Get drunk and do drugs will make you feel nice, too. That'll work, won't it ?
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Using your logic then Mondale should have beat Reagan.

If the election was today and it was Biden vs Palin. Palin would win by a massive landslide.

Because of her personality.

Personality and confidence is what makes a leader a leader.

Not a fucking IQ and 35 years of being an observer.

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Poll Date Sample Obama (D) McCain (R) Spread
RCP Average 09/26 - 10/02 -- 49.1 43.5 Obama +5.6
Rasmussen Tracking 09/30 - 10/02 3000 LV 51 44 Obama +7
Hotline/FD Tracking 09/30 - 10/02 909 RV 48 42 Obama +6
GW/Battleground 09/29 - 10/02 800 LV 49 46 Obama +3
Gallup Tracking 09/29 - 10/01 2747 RV 48 43 Obama +5
Marist 09/28 - 09/30 943 LV 49 44 Obama +5
CBS News 09/27 - 09/30 769 LV 50 41 Obama +9
Associated Press/GfK 09/27 - 09/30 808 LV 48 41 Obama +7
ABC News/Wash Post 09/27 - 09/29 916 LV 50 46 Obama +4
Pew Research 09/27 - 09/29 1181 LV 49 43 Obama +6
Ipsos/McClatchy 09/26 - 09/29 1007 RV 48 45 Obama +3
Time 09/26 - 09/29 1133 LV 50 43 Obama +7


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OBAMA - THE FASTEST FAILED PRESIDENT IN AMERICAN HISTORY

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Re: Joe Biden was no match for "Joe Six-Pack." ~ "Say it aint so Joe" By PEGGY NOONAN
I don't like her. Most WOMEN i know, DONT LIKE HER. Regardless of partisanship. And i'm a VERY largely conservative state.

She DOES NOT SPEAK TO THE AVERAGE VOTER.



Go anywhere in the nation and announce two rallys. One with Joey Biden and one with Sarah Palin.

The crowd would be 10- 20 times more for Palin.
 Quoting: PACNWguy



That's a ridiculous figure and you fucking know it.

Spare me this fanboy shit and give me something REAL to chew on.

If there were a higher crowd it would only be due to people's need to witness a car crash.

I waited for the highlights on the McCain Obama debate. I watched the Yosemite Sarah vs Jo Biden debate for the pure spectacle of it all. I wanted to see if Biden would say anything stupid and i wanted to see if Palin could hold her own, which she could not.

Let's not forget that on the floor you HAVE NO MODERATOR.

No one to bail you out when you're flowndering.

And if you believe that sexism will have a role in VOTING for a candidate how do you think this woman will stand up to the mysogonists in senate. They'll bully her and she'll have nothing left to do but sob.

If you think sexism is a problem
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10/03/2008 11:53 AM
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Re: Joe Biden was no match for "Joe Six-Pack." ~ "Say it aint so Joe" By PEGGY NOONAN
Winning votes on "hearts" might take an election, but it certainly doesn't address ability to help solve our national and global issues. It might "feel" nice, but that's it. Get drunk and do drugs will make you feel nice, too. That'll work, won't it ?


Using your logic then Mondale should have beat Reagan.

If the election was today and it was Biden vs Palin. Palin would win by a massive landslide.

Because of her personality.

Personality and confidence is what makes a leader a leader.

Not a fucking IQ and 35 years of being an observer.

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Reagan also knew what's BEST for our country.

Palin hasn't the faintest clue on how to fix any major or fundemental problems facing the average taxpayer.

Healthcare - not a word
Education - Barely mentioned

Give me a break.
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10/03/2008 11:55 AM
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Re: Joe Biden was no match for "Joe Six-Pack." ~ "Say it aint so Joe" By PEGGY NOONAN
What the debate accomplished last night is it took the VP issue off the table.

The debate was a national "test" for Palin and she passed it with flying colors.

Biden didnt have to do anything but stand there. He wasnt anything more than a prop.

The focus was 99% on Palin.

She is now a viable and confirmed candidate for VP.

The election will now be just between the two leaders for the remainder of the month.
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yet still less than half of Americans think she is qualified to be president...
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Re: Joe Biden was no match for "Joe Six-Pack." ~ "Say it aint so Joe" By PEGGY NOONAN
I don't like her. Most WOMEN i know, DONT LIKE HER. Regardless of partisanship. And i'm a VERY largely conservative state.

She DOES NOT SPEAK TO THE AVERAGE VOTER.



Go anywhere in the nation and announce two rallys. One with Joey Biden and one with Sarah Palin.

The crowd would be 10- 20 times more for Palin.
 Quoting: PACNWguy


and an obama crowd is 40-50 times larger than mccain. what's your point, cap'n copy and paste?
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Re: Joe Biden was no match for "Joe Six-Pack." ~ "Say it aint so Joe" By PEGGY NOONAN
A peppy bubble headed booby who didn't even realize the question about expanded powers of the VP wasn't about "as VP ya get to do more stuff if ya wanna" -- it's about constitutional balance of power. Or, "it doesn't matter what causes global warming, we just have to fix it." (So, you fix it if you don't know what causes it ? Address the symptom versus the cause leads to mistakes, making things worse. There's a pattern of ideology that changes things, huh?!) One can memorize, rote and recite words and be an "echo chamber", but it doesn't demonstrate one has comprehension. You can love her and vote for her if you want, Pacy, but she's dumb, dumb, dumb. I don't think the White House is the right place for dummies. As long as she's not asked to explain herself (which is what happens in msm interviews if you notice) she can "look" competent. But that's all it is. If you can't explain yourself, it's empty words. A cartoon -- no substance.

""it doesn't matter what causes global warming, we just have to fix it."

YOU ARE IDIOT! NOBODY KNOWS WHAT CAUSES GLOBAL WARMING.

THERE IS NOT CONVINCING SCIENTIFIC SUPPORT THAT HUMAN DISCHARGE OF CARBON DIOXIDE, METHANE, OR OTHER GREENHOUSE GASES IS CAUSING OF WILL, IN THE PROJECTED FUTURE, CAUSE DISASTROUS WARMING OF THE EARTH’S ATMOSPHERE AND DISTURBANCE OR CHANGE OF THE EARTH’S CLIMATE.

THERE IS CONSIDERABLE EVIDENCE THAT THE CURRENT WARMING IS ENTIRELY NATURAL AND OBEYS TO PERIODICAL CHANGES IN THE PLANETARY SYSTEM. THE ATTRIBUTION OF THE GLOBAL WARMING TO THE CARBON DIOXIDE GENERATED FROM HUMAN ACTIVITIES IS A FALLACY.

THE PROBLEM IS THAT -FOR REASONS MORE POLITICAL THAN RATIONAL- SOME ACADEMIES HAVE BEEN ADHERED TO UNWISE RADICAL-ENVIRONMENTALIST GROUNDS SO THEY ARE BEING VERY SELECTIVE ON THE PUBLICATION AND DIFFUSION OF SCIENTIFIC REPORTS THAT ARE REFERRING THIS MATTER.

AND IF SOMEBODY IS "dumb, dumb, dumb" IT IS YOU AND AL GORE!

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It doesn't take a mental giant to figure out if you don't work in concert with gaia, industrial waste will damage it. (Know what's in your water now, your soil that's grows your food, your air that you breathe? Same principle.)
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Re: Joe Biden was no match for "Joe Six-Pack." ~ "Say it aint so Joe" By PEGGY NOONAN
Personality and confidence is what makes a leader a leader.

Not a fucking IQ and 35 years of being an observer.
 Quoting: PACNWguy


Of course, it helped that raygun had experience playing second fiddle to a chimp.

lmao





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