THE RAPTURE HAS IT BEGUN

stop spreading fear.


the rapture has begun on this forum though.

yes the rapture has began, im in heaven now

Good question
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Honey, just let it go.

The Rapture ain´t comin´ to rescue you from the stupidity of your behavior.

The Rapture happened a long, long time ago, at the end of the Roman Empire.

Now, just stand here and FACE THE EFFECTS that "pretending everything is fine" has created.

Calvinistic Christianity has created this Hell-On-Earth.

Calvinistic Christianity is moribund, complacent, heretical and stupefying.

Get real.

Look what your Brothers have done to this planet. Take STOCK. Look at the Genocide. Look at the Omnicide. Look at the Death Industries that your neglect has permitted.

Nobody´s coming to rescue you.

Your hopes that God will clean up the mess, are in vain.

All you can do now is count casualties.

It´s the "meek" who shall inherit the earth, not the will-full, not the proud, not the self-righeous, not the negligent, not the oblivious, not the corrupted, not the lazy.

:moose:

Christianity is not part of the solution to finding God -- it is part of the problem why the Divine Light has not reached Earth. Imagine a world without the church interrupting who God is and God/Godess energy just being exactly as they are. That is what is coming. One´s karma will become one´s reality.

Amen CHAI

The meek shall and will and are beginning to inherit the Earth for it is rightfully our beloved home. Only we can love Her as she deserves to be Loved.

Don´t be an idiot.

The Thief comes to Destroy!Lay waste.

Who was taken away in the Flood in Mat:24??
Those who Knew not,until the flood came and took them away!
Two shall be walking and one shall be taken...Destroyed!

What is coming is the Reckoning! The Destruction.

Luke:17 ...they ask where were they taken? Jesus answers,Wheresoever the body is,thither will the eagles be gathered together.

Mat,24:28...says,For wheresoever the carcase is,there will the eagles be gathered together.

Last time I checked the Body,and Carcase are DEAD!

Come out of Her! The Whore of Babylon..the Moderen Church.The one that is telling you that you are going to be spared!Find out who you are in Christ!

Throw this Pre-Trib crap out the window...I was a Pre-triber for years...Then I woke up.Israel was not raptured from the earth during the plaques of Eygpt! Neither was Noah and his family raptured during the great flood...

The Pre-Trib mess started with Mary Margret McDonald.A Spiritaulist around the turn of the century,and brought forth by Darby!You WILL NOT find it in any pre-1850 writtings!!It´s a Satanic idea.Wake up!!

Christ comes back at the last trump!There are seven trumps in the book of Revelation..His return is at the Last trump!

This is a race for your very life..Wake up!

The Rapture ain´t comin´ to rescue you from the stupidity of your behavior.

No He´s coming to rescue those from wrath to come.
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The Rapture happened a long, long time ago, at the end of the Roman Empire.

Ridiculous statement.

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Now, just stand here and FACE THE EFFECTS that "pretending everything is fine" has created.

Calvinistic Christianity has created this Hell-On-Earth.

Unsubstantiated statement. I could say that new age humanistic freeks have destroyed what was once a great country and be closer to real facts.
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Calvinistic Christianity is moribund, complacent, heretical and stupefying.

Big words. Back it up.
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Get real.
Look what your Brothers have done to this planet. Take STOCK. Look at the Genocide. Look at the Omnicide. Look at the Death Industries that your neglect has permitted.

I will debate this statement also. Especially when millions of Christians are murdered every year. And the death industries are our fault!!
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Nobody´s coming to rescue you.

Your hopes that God will clean up the mess, are in vain.

No, your hopes that what we say are not true.

There will be no ´rapture´ of the Christians befor the destruction. Jesus does not return till the 7th and LAST trump. Satan and his minions come on the 6th trump. Surely you know 7 comes after 6. So guys, buckle up, there is no easy out for us unless we die befor the end.

Yes, I am a Christian too. Dont think we will be raptured out ahead of time. If it is true, then I will be pleasantly surprised.

Correct. There will be no pre-tribulation rapture.

The church will be purified through the tribulation, and unfortunately, many nominal Christians will be killed for their faith.

A small, spirit-filled remnant will be supernaturally protected as Yahushua´s vicarious representatives during the tribulation.

Look for the following chronological events:

1. Further attacks on America.
2. America´s destruction -- likely before 2006.
3. A spirit-filled remnant of believers in Christ to be miraculously indwelt by the Holy Spirit and will be Yahushua´s vicarious witnesses on earth.
4. The Great Tribulation to begin during 2006.
5. Antichrist´s revelation.
6. Great Tribulation and martyrdom of many Christians.
7. Finally, the return of Yahushua, probably by the Fall of 2009.

The word "victorious" is merely ironic.

That our spirits can withstand the insanity of these times will have to be "sufficient" Deliverance.

People who believe in magic make a liar out of the Christ, who said--only to those who were left--"I was hungry and you gave me food. I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink. I was a stranger and you welcomed me."

The day I see Calvinists doing this, I´ll fall over from sheer shock.

Only those "Christians" will withstand the Tribulation who emulate the Kingdom of God.

The Kingdom of God is to givE everything--all your riches away--and serve the Poor.

Trappists do it; 12Tribes do it; Poor Claire´s do it; and a few others.

The rest of you sitting in your nice homes with your nice cars, being nice in church on Sundays--you guys don´t have a clue or a prayer.

You don´t walk the walk. Pharisees by another stripe, is all. Talk is all. "Belief" is all.

"Ye shall know a tree by its fruit," is what you counterfeit followers of Jesus must yet experience.

Do it and shut up. Paul taught you to boast. Well, Paul WAS NO JESUS.

interesting something to think about

Honey, just let it go.

The Rapture ain´t comin´ to rescue you from the stupidity of your behavior.<<<<<<<

Not meaning to be mean but is this a demonstration of the fruits of the Spirit?

The fruits of the spirit are not my long and strong suit.

Sometimes, getting to the Truth takes stronger words than the Apostle Paul would have liked.

But in any case, Paul AIN´T JESUS. Never was.

Jesus didn´t mince His words. I´ll take my cues from Him.

If you take me as rude, it was in the service of delivering a harsh truth to a reluctant audience. Sorry to merely offend.

--Chai

Chai, Do you consider yourself a Christian?

I don´t know when the timing of the Rapture is. But I know something is happening in the world right now. I really believe these are the endtimes. People, it´s time for all of us to repent and seek the Lord Jesus Christ!

Jesus didn´t mince His words. I´ll take my cues from Him.<<<<<<

Jesus also said this: " Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth."

The purpose of the Tribulation is to galvanize individuals to accept or reject God. A pre-trib or Mid trib taking up of "God´s People" is a clear and obvious sign that there is a God.

Mind you, the whole Age of Grace is based upon having Faith in God - only - to decide. The task of Tribulation is to continue that Faith while giving individuals the clear cut choice (follow the Beast (Satan) or Follow God)

A sudden and miraculous event like the Rapture, taking up God only knows how many obvious Faithful would muddle the choice based on desire to be with God instead of out of Fear of making the wrong Choice.

This would force many to accept God (since now we have 100% proof positive evidence for God) Thus the rest of Tribulation would be a cruel, unkind act upon humanity.

The Purpose of Tribulation is not to be a punishment on humanity only - Yes many focus on that and many expound upon that as being the reason for Tribulation, however a clear understanding of the purpose of Tribulation is found when we read about the Beast, his Empire and most importantly the Mark.

People will be given a choice - a choice based upon knowledge and understanding of the ramifications of taking the Mark. This is not just a symbolic play on words, it is a branding which will be a decisive mark to show who exactly owns you. It is clear in reading that we are all given a choice to accept the Mark or not. It is not forced upon people, it is not put on people unawares, it is a clear choice that each individual must decide to either accept or reject.

Today there are few people who have not heard the Message and who do not know about the Mark and what it means. By the Time the mark becomes mandatory, all of those Christians who, living in the Tribulation Era, having expounded and predicted and preached and pleaded with the People as they are commanded and expected to do - Will have made a clear case for what the acceptance of the Mark means.

The Tribulation, in crudest of senses is a Culling of the Herd.

Its purpose is to decide once and for all who is For God and who is against God. Those who receive the mark are what? Damned to the Lake of fire with Satan and the Fallen Angels - No if´s ands or buts about it.

If God where to pull off a miracle of such magnitude as a Rapture before or During the Tribulation people will "lie" and not accept the Mark.

People lie all the time, there are many who claim to be a "Christian" and who cash in on that claim by "tricking" others into believing that they are "saved".

Through out Tribulation there will be no 100% clear cut evidence that there is a God - It will be a choice, a continuing choice based on Faith and Faith alone that there is a God.

Yes to the Author, John of Patmos, all of the events are seemingly supernatural, but today we in the 21st century can connect each and every wonder of Tribulation to a natural cause or to a clear cut device of mankind´s creation, be it A-Bombs, Veri-Chips, Computers, Helicopters - everything in Tribulation is explainable to us today and leaves that doubt wide open requiring faith, and faith alone, to judge if God is there.

Then there is the small fact that the Message of God´s Grace, and the coming Messiah will have to be preached by someone - If you take out all of the true Believer;s who is left to be messengers? Who will lead those undecideds and tell of the coming events before they happen? Who will warn the people in the first 3 1/2 years of the Tribulation that the Man they think of as being the best leader ever is really the Devil who is tricking them and is planning on branding them like cattle?

Not only that, but does not Jesus Himself tell us that a day of persecution is coming that all Christians during tribulation will be abused, hunted and persecuted? If all the Christians are taken from the world, who then are the ones that will be persecuted?

No, there will not be a rapture, there can not be, it goes against the rest of the bible, it goes against the purpose of Tribulation, it goes against other prophecies.

Sorry.

"Don´t board the ufos! ´To Serve Man´ is a cookbook!"

how come your still here/ go up and get lost!

what are you without the bible? can´t you speak for yourself than use verses that were written by insane white men?

Please leave. More for us.

No pre, or mid Trib rapture. HIS Remnant will be called to meet HIM in the air as HE returns; but who has need to know the how or why of that. HIS Will, not mine, be done!

I regret that the AC who posted such eloquent truth stating no rapture did not, does not, post with an identifying name. Your contributions here would be welcome.

God has never "removed" HIS People; HE has always "preserved" them. Jesus gives Witness to this in matthew 24, Luke 17, and Revelation.

The Remnant cannot possibly be deceived. The "taken" are taken unto their destruction.
The Bride is led in the desert and the dragon cannot prevail against her.

Only those who fear destruction and not God, believe in this fable. If you Know God, are led by the Holy Spirit, you KNOW your Salvation In-HIM is assured! What is there to fear? Death? Death has no victory over us. HIS Will, not our own, be done. What part of this is incomprehensble to you?

Praise HIS Name. Come quickly Lord Jesus!

However, in order to understand what rapture would mean ... think of the idea of Jesus rising "in a cloud" ... lower atoms falling back as he reached higher densities.

Now, I´m not saying there really was a Jesus & he ascended ... I´m saying "From something we must take our substance" ... and History is the substance from which we grasp where we are at, and perhaps what life´s about.

So what would Rapture be?

It could only be the lifting up or pushing down of Densities - magnetism in planetX if you believe it´s there = if you´ve seen it yourself.

So, which density are we really in, to start with?

That´s quite a study, and something of Steiner would have to be investigated to see that what he wrote about is verifiable in our own lives.

Anyway - if we are totally into duality - wanting to fight for rights, or whatever ... we are not yet out of 2nd Density struggle ... and we´ve been shoved, Duckies ...

Emotional injections are incoming to see if we can stand the pace even of 3rd density ... and if we can rise above that - having been through the emotions ... well, the next density above that may be the one that Rapture is all about.

If Awareness cannot withstand the emotions, we are allowed to retreat to 2D - the Garden of Eden - plant brain = middle brain ... but that´s only for a time, because the fiery sword of the 3rd density (astral with its AC current) will again descend, once we´ve woven another matrix (matrix is the 2D) ...

So, yes, I do believe there is a rapture ... and it may even take the form of a booster as densities finally fall away ... Why do you think the earth is on a roll now, with Sun too far south?

Something is up, but others have not even seen the 2 Suns, while their neighbours have ... different points of sight, it seems ...

I live in Venezuela - USGS showed tremendous earthquakes - really black stuff ... well, I have news ... it ain´t what we´re living in my
neck of the woods.

So ... just who do you think is living it?

Circe.

(I can tell you that even live TV shows are glitching - repeat of a word and action, same word same action - happened 4 times - yet it was a "live" show. I really paid attention.)

pre-trib mid trib or post it dosnt matter for when it comes one must be right so they dont get left. being left is to be with the beast

if everything is equal then there are signs take a look at this web page and follow the years. You´ll see that earthquake activity has increased every year becoming more and more deadly.
[link to neic.usgs.gov]

very interesting indeed.

Please God, end this thread!