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War veteran: U.S. dropped nuke on Iraq

 
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Iraq: US dropped nuclear bomb near Basra in 1991, claims veteran

Rome, 8 Oct. (AKI) - An American veteran of the first Gulf War in Iraq claims that the United States dropped a five-kilotonne nuclear bomb in 1991 in a deserted area outside the southern city of Basra on the Iranian border.

The claim by US war veteran Jim Brown was made during an interview included in a 30-minute current affairs report to be broadcast by Italian state news channel RaiNews24 on Thursday.

Brown told the Italian news channel that the bombing took place on the last day of the war in Iraq on 27 February 1991.

RaiNews24 claims to have conducted its own inquiry and found that a seismic event took place on that day equal to a five-kilotonne blast.

The network cited the online archives of the International Seismological Center, a non-profit UK-based organisation, as confirmation of its research.

The Italian journalist in charge of the inquiry Maurizio Torrealta told Adnkronos International (AKI) that there is no definitive proof of the nuclear blast and that it should not be taken as a fact.

Instead he asked the international community to further investigate the claims by Brown.

"We are asking journalists and the international community for help, in order to clarify this," said Torrealta.

However, in the documentary, which was shown to the media on Wednesday, Torrealta said that one of the possible reasons that the US may have dropped the bomb, was in retribution for the launch of Scud missiles on the US Dhahran military base in Saudi Arabia on 25 February.

Twenty-eight American soldiers died in the attack.

The US veteran, Jim Brown was not present during the alleged launch of the bomb and it is not clear how he obtained the information.

RaiNews24 said that 45-year-old Brown was originally a fourth-level engineer in the US Army and was demoted to third-level after health problems, following a vaccination against chemical weapons.

The injection deteriorated his health and he was eventually discharged from the army with honour.

He is now director of the GulfWatch I.N.S. organisation. Its website claims to have 350 supporters who are or were involved in coalition intelligence during the 1991 Gulf War.

"These people have agreed to work together to make sure that as much information about the war as possible is released about the activities prior to, during and after the war that have affected the health of potentially hundreds of thousands of soldiers, and their spouses and children," said a statement on the website.

The documentary included an interview with an Iraqi doctor, Jawad al-Ali, who told RaiNews24 that before the beginning of the first Gulf War in 1989 there were 32 cases of tumours, while in 2002 the number had risen to 600 in the Basra area.

Al-Ali also told RaiNews24 that tumours that used to affect older citizens had started to impact younger children. He then showed alleged photos of the tumours in the documentary.

During the RaiNews24 report , Torrealta said that the US State Department had rejected Brown's claims and said only 'conventional' weapons had been used during the first Gulf War.

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this should be pinned! everyone needs to see it. veterans fighting back! HooRah!
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Related to GULF WAR SYNDROME?

To be honest i think this is likely a load of old BS. However, its interesting, because if there was indeed a seismic event on the same day it makes claims this far fetched have some basis, could however just be an earthquake with somebody cashing in on that fact.

Ill be watching this story.
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Absolute BS. Like that could have been kept a secret. Besides, the article referrs to the "veteran" as a 4th level engineer, later reduced to a "3d level". What in the hell is that? No such thing as "levels" in the army. I guess they could be referring to a pay grade - however, I kind of doubt an E-4 (specialist) would know much about the secret dropping of a nuke.
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HERE IS IT bsflag
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i had a friend who was in the area working for an oil company, and the military during this time, and one day some brits came running into his office screaming that the yanks had just dropped a nuke, well it turned out to be a fuel air explosive, which can have the same mushroom cloud effect, and they certainly are very powerful

i have no idea if these two events are related?
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i had a friend who was in the area working for an oil company, and the military during this time, and one day some brits came running into his office screaming that the yanks had just dropped a nuke, well it turned out to be a fuel air explosive, which can have the same mushroom cloud effect, and they certainly are very powerful

i have no idea if these two events are related?
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The United States used Daisy Cutter bombs during the Gulf War. The Iraqi's thought the US had dropped a nuke - but it's only a 20k ton conventional bomb pushed out the back of a C-130 transport.

The Daisy Cutter was used by the Air Force to clear obstacles, mines, and artillery positions in front of advancing US Marines entering Quwait.

Iran can expect MOAB munitions to be dropped in a similar way should they react against US Forces when Israel opposes the Syrians invasion of Lebanon next week.


There was no nuke in 1991.

The story comes from the same Iranian press who reported that Iran force landed a US Fighter last week. Total BS from a BS source, with a BS "vet".
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The Daisy Cutter was used by the Air Force to clear obstacles, mines, and artillery positions in front of advancing US Marines entering Quwait.
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Id go with this, sounds logical.
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i had a friend who was in the area working for an oil company, and the military during this time, and one day some brits came running into his office screaming that the yanks had just dropped a nuke, well it turned out to be a fuel air explosive, which can have the same mushroom cloud effect, and they certainly are very powerful

i have no idea if these two events are related?



The United States used Daisy Cutter bombs during the Gulf War. The Iraqi's thought the US had dropped a nuke - but it's only a 20k ton conventional bomb pushed out the back of a C-130 transport.

The Daisy Cutter was used by the Air Force to clear obstacles, mines, and artillery positions in front of advancing US Marines entering Quwait.

Iran can expect MOAB munitions to be dropped in a similar way should they react against US Forces when Israel opposes the Syrians invasion of Lebanon next week.


There was no nuke in 1991.

The story comes from the same Iranian press who reported that Iran force landed a US Fighter last week. Total BS from a BS source, with a BS "vet".
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i was checking out MOAB's last night on youtube, some scary shit

so you think this is going to get underway next week?

hope you are wrong
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The story comes from the same Iranian press who reported that Iran force landed a US Fighter last week. Total BS from a BS source, with a BS "vet".

Probably - but the source is actually Italian; Press TV (Iranian) are just covering it.
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MOAB's can generate "seismic events" and they even
generate a mushroom-like cloud.

They've fooled more than one observer
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Absolute BS. Like that could have been kept a secret. Besides, the article referrs to the "veteran" as a 4th level engineer, later reduced to a "3d level". What in the hell is that? No such thing as "levels" in the army. I guess they could be referring to a pay grade - however, I kind of doubt an E-4 (specialist) would know much about the secret dropping of a nuke.
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There most certainly are skill training levels attached to different ranks in the Army. A combat engineer private graduating Advanced Individual Training will be awarded a 12B10 rating (for instance) upon promotion to E5 in the unit I was in you were required to take advanced training courses in order to get your 12B20.
I'm not certain about a 12B40 rating but there are different types of combat engineers, perhaps a 12 Echo has a rating system that high. A 12E10 is a tactical nuclear specialist, you will find nothing about these guys on the web, they used to call them straight out of or classrooms to go to classified instruction in the deployment of different varieties of small tactical devices.
Those devices are used in battle a lot more than you might think.
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i was checking out MOAB's last night on youtube, some scary shit

so you think this is going to get underway next week?

hope you are wrong
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The United States likes to operate at night because we train at night. Our weapons are optimized for night operations. It scares the shit out of the enemy when you can hit them and they don't know where you are.

The Syrians, however, have the opposite problem. They need 24hr light for visual optics.

The Moon's phase will be brightest next week.

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Most likely a BLU-82.

Popping a tactical nuke would have sent out an EMP that would have been picked up by every EWO in theater. I don't think that that would go unreported.
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Pic of nuke blast in Desert

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If anything, it was a MOAB or Daisycutter.
(nuke/BS!)
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Re: War veteran: U.S. dropped nuke on Iraq
I'm more than aware of the type of skill level that you refer to [i.e. your example of 12B20 (sergeant), 12B30 (staff sergeant) and 12B40 (sergeant first class)]. I spent 11 years active duty and ETS'd as an 11M30 in 2000. However, they are never referred to just as a Level 3 or Level 4.

I also am familiar with the tac nuke specialist's in the Artillery Branch (my former roommate was one). However, although they may trained to use a nuke arty round, they didn't fire one during the Gulf.





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