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Anonymous Coward User ID: 456947 United States 10/10/2008 05:19 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Not an unreasonable concept. I wondered for quite a while how they could deceive christians who were at least somewhat aware of the threat of "taking the mark", but I'm suspecting that these people's own hearts will sell them out, in light of Jesus' admonition that "If you save your life you'll lose it, but if you lose your life, you'll find it". Offering our bodies a living sacrifice daily (Romans 12) should safeguard us from submitting to governmental/economic idolatry, even if tangible security or provisions are otherwise unavailable to us. Yet, like before, the Judases will cooperate with the "high priests" in exchange for a payoff. Or like Esau selling his birthright for some lunch. All that said, I still speculate whether we could be tricked into receiving the mark, or whether the acceptance or rejection thereof will merely be a physical response revealing where our heart really lies. Meaning, if we're learning *now* to walk by faith and not function the way the world/flesh does, that is, based on feelings or emotions or a dog-eat-dog/survival-of-the-fittest mentality, we'll likely be fine when the choice is thrust our way. He provides us such trials not to make us fall, but to "prove" us. On the other hand, I think it's entirely plausible that the image of a cross could be the mark or an aspect of it. . . [link to nhkox.homestead.com] |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 456947 United States 10/10/2008 05:28 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | If that thought line is correct, then ALL Christians have taken the mark. On a daily basis. Yet, as you say, we repent and we are the new virgin bride again. Quoting: Tierny 515187Is this in response to the "crucifix as the mark" idea? |
Drain the gene pool User ID: 523233 United States 10/11/2008 06:30 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | BIRTH is the mark of the beast. What this country needs most is a good $100 abortion that's available in every state and county. The followers of jesus want everyone to live in a Procreation Nation. It’s time to drain the gene pool. Pop a fetus, just to piss off little jesus. To save the world, the most important thing that we can all do is simply NOT breed. Every popped fetus is 1 less person who will have to be subjected to the torture that the jesus fanatics call “WITNESSING.” So be merciful. Pop a fetus. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 523145 Israel 10/11/2008 08:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | the beast is the roman catholic church Quoting: Anonymous Coward 523275the mark is the thumb print of ash rubbed onto your forehead, which i think is at easter time called ash wednesday. i'm not catholic so may have time wrong I thought so too. But, the ash washes off. The mark is permenant. Its IN yo haid! |
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rb User ID: 523304 United States 10/11/2008 09:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | makes sense I think scripture says some of us will be put through the fire to refine us and some will fail yet be redeemed looks like if we take the mark we can chop off our hand or gouge out our eye to remove it? dangerous territory though best to just stand for Christ and be beheaded I'm getting God's Word in my heart love peace and joy rb |
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Lotus Feet User ID: 433953 United Kingdom 10/11/2008 09:24 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Mark of the Beast is designed to deceive Christians Quoting: Follower of JesusSix years ago when studying the Sermon on the Mount I made the same conclusion as you have . When I tried to present the idea it was considered almost blasphemous because of Revelation 14:9-10: “And the third angel followed them, saying with a loud voice, If any man worship the beast and his image, and receive [his] mark in his forehead, or in his hand, The same shall drink of the wine of the wrath of God, which is poured out without mixture into the cup of his indignation; and he shall be tormented with fire and brimstone in the presence of the holy angels, and in the presence of the Lamb” Notice that there is an “AND” in those verses concerning the mark. So I put the idea away waiting for someone else to confirm that it was of God, and you have done that. You are correct in your posting of October 6, 2008 that Jesus has indeed prescribed an anti-dote to the mark of the beast. This anti-dote is prophesied in the sermon on the mount in chapter 5 of Matthew as Jesus is defining what adultery actually is. Jesus tells us that long before we actually commit adultery with our bodies the sin of adultery itself begins in our mind. So after Jesus tells us what adultery is he tells us in Matthew 5:29-30 The Mark of the Beast is designed for Christians, Satan does not need to deceive the lost, they are already deceived, Satan just needs to keep the lost where they are. Christians on the other hand need to be deceived. Be alert, don’t be deceived, DON’T TAKE THE MARK The two witnesses are the two religions Jews and Christians. Who marks the head? The shiites they even cut babies heads. The mark in the hand is the Qu'ran it is a play on words. However, all religionists are people of the book. The word adultery comes from 'adulterate' and people adulterate their being, mind, body and soul in all kinds of ways. So yes the beast is religion. The scriptures talk about the final showdown between the orthodox and free thinkers. The bedrock of Jesus was spiritual freedom and the capstone is Spiritual Independence. The Christian and Hebrew scholars know that the final showdown is with Islam. Hence, why Islamic countries are mentioned in many places in the scriptures. Lotus i love satan |
Lotus Feet User ID: 433953 United Kingdom 10/11/2008 09:37 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Mark of the Beast is designed to deceive Christians "If your right eye makes you stumble, tear it out and throw it from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. If your right hand makes you stumble, cut it off and throw it from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to go into hell.” The only religion that takes out the eye and removes parts of the body is Islam. if Jesus did in fact say the words above then he would have been talking in metaphors and not literals. Like he said to the Apostles "Did you not understand that I was not talking about bread?" In other words they did not understand the symbology, metaphors and spiritual wisdom that he was conveying. OP it would be worth doing a comparative study on the passages with the texts that were rejected by Rome. Lotus i love satan |
Follower of Jesus (OP) User ID: 507164 United States 10/11/2008 06:32 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The Mark of the Beast is designed to deceive Christians Quoting: Lotus Feet"If your right eye makes you stumble, tear it out and throw it from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to be thrown into hell. If your right hand makes you stumble, cut it off and throw it from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to go into hell.” The only religion that takes out the eye and removes parts of the body is Islam. if Jesus did in fact say the words above then he would have been talking in metaphors and not literals. Like he said to the Apostles "Did you not understand that I was not talking about bread?" In other words they did not understand the symbology, metaphors and spiritual wisdom that he was conveying. OP it would be worth doing a comparative study on the passages with the texts that were rejected by Rome. Lotus Interesting perspective Lotus thank you, I will study that further. Follower of Jesus (FoJ) |
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Toward The Mark User ID: 523522 United States 10/11/2008 06:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | So many theories. Didn't someone say something about the secret things? Who was that again? .............................. Sometimes people mistake the way we talk for what we are thinking. So, one must live the way one thinks or end up thinking the way one has lived. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 523677 Australia 10/11/2008 06:52 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Our bodies are a gift, how dare anyone graffitti on it. This shows disrespect to our creator. When the demons are summoned, it's these tattoos that they are coming to cut from you |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 361590 United States 10/13/2008 11:23 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It is about who you ultimately decide to belong to. Willingly accept the cattle tag of a flesh and blood owner or not. It starts in the mind as a decision with outward showing of a mark to bring temporary satisfaction of the flesh. When faced with death of the flesh, many will sell out to live a little longer on this earth rather than live forever with eternal life. The one dwelling in the 'heart' will NOT MIX with the schemes of slavery of those following the Dragon and with the worship of devils who are living in these 'masters' and it's convolution of a man-made religion of differing flavors. They will appear so 'right' as an angel of Light but beware of who they really are. For one who is Born Again, the one giving eternal life will leave as this final line is crossed when the ultimate decision is made to follow after a false 'shepherd' of man and accept the initiation mark to identify who one belongs to. The accepting starts with an inward 'mind' decision with the outward showing of the mark. The whole of following the true shepherd is to be found W-a-l-k-i-n-g in him day to day, moment to moment, walking in his truth of Perfect Torah Righteousness as he is that Righteous Living WORD that only the Written can try to describe as a witness of him. Those accepting this mark of man and the Dragon will not have any further 'calls' to follow the true shepherds voice. If it is forced, the 'mind' decision can still resist it and still refuse to worship the Dragon masters. At least those who have not heeded the true shepherds call yet, and are not Born Again, and have not made the ultimate decision will still have opportunity to call out to him when he calls and to have his eternal life. Nonetheless any who have denied the one of whom they are BEING, and not been clothed in his eternal life, the same Living Word who is the LIGHT of ALL man, they will at least not suffer in eternal torment but will still face the second death. This time will come upon this world. The second master of Rev 13 has not taken power yet. The first one is still reigning in what power he has now and is preparing for his final time at the 'wheel'. There is a little while to go before the final one is given power. There are many things that will happen before then that maybe some will see that the scriptures of the bible are amazingly correct. |
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