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Lester User ID: 325428 United States 10/25/2008 07:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Fuckin' Chuck can't just witness The Truth, he has to couch his uncertainties in polite double-speak, lest he offend anyone who might take offense. Chuckie-baby, by now Chrisitans, including you, either Know or don't! Not a matter of ecclesiology or eschatology. It is a matter of Relationship With The Father! Pretty sad when someone who claims HIM can't stand up and tell it straight and true. Yet, Jesus said that those to whom were Given Knowledge of The Mysteries of Heaven, they would have their Knowledge Increased, while those not Given would have what knowledge they possessed taken away (Matt 13:12). Chuck ain't Abiding In-HIM so he can't witness HIS Truth. Only the very elect cannot be deceived. Missler clearly shows he is among the deceived. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 493706 United States 10/25/2008 07:21 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Agreed, it is a lie. I was taught the rapture as a child and as an adult I investigated and found it to be a complete fallacy. I looked into it initially to figure out some of the finer points and to solve disagreements as to the placement of the rapture...and what I found was ALL lies. let go of it. let go of your church and its doctrines and get to know The Lord Jesus Christ personally. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 249732 India 10/25/2008 07:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Mattew 24:29 proves that the OP can't read very well. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 528524Don't know if OP can read but I do wonder if he/she can count. OP when does Christ come back to - as you say - rapture people? 1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, 1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. He comes at the last trump that is the very last thing that happens before the millennium age. Now I ask you, how is anyone going to escape this world before then. - Only by death. |
Lester User ID: 325428 United States 10/25/2008 07:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Mattew 24:29 proves that the OP can't read very well. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 528524No, AC, the parable of The Taken is not a rapture substantiation. Eagles eat carrion. The body refers to the taken whom are dead meat which the vultures/eagles are eating from their bones, in the ditch. Luke 17 has The Taken without interuption which occurs in matthew. Yet, if Missler were giving a real witness here, he would speak plainly and leave no doubt. As it is, he must believe he is more politician than member of the Body of Christ. The real explanation is that Missler is not surrendered and Abiding In-HIM. Too bad he has built a career from his self-will, rather than service Unto The Father. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 427529 United States 10/25/2008 07:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | He comes at the last trump that is the very last thing that happens before the millennium age. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 249732Now I ask you, how is anyone going to escape this world before then. - Only by death. if you are referring to the last trumpet of revelation, then you are in error. the book of corinthians was written before the book of revelation. how then could paul, the author of corinthians, refer to something not yet written? |
Nucking Futs User ID: 455142 United States 10/25/2008 07:35 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The "Rapture" is a lie! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 427529A deception by Satan that has NO basis or support in the Scriptures. may i ask: 1. why is it a lie 2. how is it not supported in the scriptures 1. Part of Satan's deception to fool Christians. 2. ALL of the supposed scriptures supporting the Rapture are taken out of context and do not have any connection to any such event. The "Rapture" was NEVER a part of any Christian teaching or belief until the 1850's. It is a new, occultist, belief that is intended to confuse and misinform Christians. As long as the "Rapture" has not happened, then the events of the Book of Revelation cannot take place... right? So, no matter how clear the events begin to unfold, and the Beast is rising up around us, and the Mark of the Beast is unveiled, it must not be true because the Rapture has not happened. And when the Rapture never happens, that will have an effect on weak-faith people to reject all of Christianity because of this single false teaching. The most important message in the Book of Revelation is that faithful Christians WILL face the Great Tribulation; the message to the faithful is to endure for a short time, and remain faithful, because God will be coming soon to put an end to it. The "Rapture" is part of the foretold "Great Deception" of Satan. This deception has many elements, all designed to move people away from Christianity; the false "Rapture" is just one of those elements. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 427529 United States 10/25/2008 07:37 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | difficult times are soon coming, that is for sure. i do believe christians in industrailized nations of the world who have been living in security/luxury may indeed undergo much of the coming periods. but then god's wrath will soon begin to unleash upon humanity, as labor pains. that is, they will become increasingly more severe as time progresses. this will ultimately culminate in the destruction of the entire planet. peter says the earth will eventually be left "completely bare". true christians will of course be exempt from experiencing such horrible wrath. in fact, jesus says they will actually have the opportunity to "escape" the devastation. "For it will come upon all those who live on the face of the whole earth. Be always on the watch, and pray that you may be able to escape all that is about to happen, and that you may be able to stand before the Son of Man." [luke 21:35-36] "Because you have obeyed my command to endure, I will keep you from the hour of testing that is coming to the whole world to test those living on the earth." [rev 3:10] additionally, the following scripture is mentioned not too long after the the sixth seal: "After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could count, from every nation and all tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, and palm branches were in their hands..." [rev 7:9] jesus promised in luke 21 that people will be able to escape the wrath and "stand before the son of man". in revelation 7 there are numerous individuals "standing before the throne and before the lamb". coincidence? hardly. this "great multitude" can only be the raptured/resurrected "invisible church" of true and genuine christians. believers are promised to be rescued from the day of the lord's wrath. the day of the lord begins within the sixth seal, therefore the great multitude must be taken off of the earth before this period of judgment begins. "For God has not destined us to receive wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus..." [1 thes 5:9] |
14WORDS User ID: 340951 United States 10/25/2008 07:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Jesus is coming. Everyone look busy. "There is no firm reason to anticipate that the intellectual capacities of peoples geographically separated in their evolution should prove to have evolved identically. Our wanting to reserve equal powers of reason as some universal heritage of humanity will not be enough to make it so." -- Nobel Prize-winner James Watson "The war is coming to the streets of America and if you are not keeping and bearing and practicing with your arms then you will be helpless and you will be the victim of evil." - Ted Nugent "Political correctness is a doctrine, fostered by a delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds forth the proposition that it is entirely possible to pick up a turd by the clean end." -Unknown |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 249732 India 10/25/2008 07:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | He comes at the last trump that is the very last thing that happens before the millennium age. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 427529Now I ask you, how is anyone going to escape this world before then. - Only by death. if you are referring to the last trumpet of revelation, then you are in error. the book of corinthians was written before the book of revelation. how then could paul, the author of corinthians, refer to something not yet written? Why don't you do a little study of the last (7th) trump in Revelation and what happens at that time, before you make such foolish statements? You will see, they are one and the same. Are you saying there are TWO last trumps? Think about that for a minute. That would be impossible. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 455142 United States 10/25/2008 07:41 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | He comes at the last trump that is the very last thing that happens before the millennium age. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 427529Now I ask you, how is anyone going to escape this world before then. - Only by death. if you are referring to the last trumpet of revelation, then you are in error. the book of corinthians was written before the book of revelation. how then could paul, the author of corinthians, refer to something not yet written? Ummm... because the scriptures are inspired by God and are above the dimension of time. That is basic stuff you need to understand. The Bible is a collection of scriptures written by men, but authored by God. God does not return until the last day of this Earth, the final Trump. There will be no "secret return" of God where he "snatches away" people. Jesus first came as the Lamb of God, and was sacrificed as a lamb; When Jesus returns, it will be as the Lion of Judah, and he will bring judgment with him. God has said that all eyes will see his triumphant return. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 455142 United States 10/25/2008 07:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | difficult times are soon coming, that is for sure. i do believe christians in industrailized nations of the world who have been living in security/luxury may indeed undergo much of the coming periods. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 427529but then god's wrath will soon begin to unleash upon humanity, as labor pains. that is, they will become increasingly more severe as time progresses. this will ultimately culminate in the destruction of the entire planet. peter says the earth will eventually be left "completely bare". true christians will of course be exempt from experiencing such horrible wrath. in fact, jesus says they will actually have the opportunity to "escape" the devastation. "For it will come upon all those who live on the face of the whole earth. Be always on the watch, and pray that you may be able to escape all that is about to happen, and that you may be able to stand before the Son of Man." [luke 21:35-36] "Because you have obeyed my command to endure, I will keep you from the hour of testing that is coming to the whole world to test those living on the earth." [rev 3:10] additionally, the following scripture is mentioned not too long after the the sixth seal: "After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could count, from every nation and all tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, and palm branches were in their hands..." [rev 7:9] jesus promised in luke 21 that people will be able to escape the wrath and "stand before the son of man". in revelation 7 there are numerous individuals "standing before the throne and before the lamb". coincidence? hardly. this "great multitude" can only be the raptured/resurrected "invisible church" of true and genuine christians. believers are promised to be rescued from the day of the lord's wrath. the day of the lord begins within the sixth seal, therefore the great multitude must be taken off of the earth before this period of judgment begins. "For God has not destined us to receive wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus..." [1 thes 5:9] Rapture "teachers" like to cherry-pick verses that apparently support their views. However, if you study the full scriptures and take them in their true context and understand what they are teaching, you will clearly see that there is NO support for a Rapture event. |
mathetes User ID: 514914 United States 10/25/2008 07:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | He comes at the last trump that is the very last thing that happens before the millennium age. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 249732Now I ask you, how is anyone going to escape this world before then. - Only by death. if you are referring to the last trumpet of revelation, then you are in error. the book of corinthians was written before the book of revelation. how then could paul, the author of corinthians, refer to something not yet written? Why don't you do a little study of the last (7th) trump in Revelation and what happens at that time, before you make such foolish statements? You will see, they are one and the same. Are you saying there are TWO last trumps? Think about that for a minute. That would be impossible. I have to agree 100% with you AC, unfortnately one has to do scriptural gymnastics to MAKE things fit to ones preconceived notion. Read scripture in the natural way it is written,God is not an author of confusion For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 427529 United States 10/25/2008 07:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | difficult times are soon coming, that is for sure. i do believe christians in industrailized nations of the world who have been living in security/luxury may indeed undergo much of the coming periods. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 455142but then god's wrath will soon begin to unleash upon humanity, as labor pains. that is, they will become increasingly more severe as time progresses. this will ultimately culminate in the destruction of the entire planet. peter says the earth will eventually be left "completely bare". true christians will of course be exempt from experiencing such horrible wrath. in fact, jesus says they will actually have the opportunity to "escape" the devastation. "For it will come upon all those who live on the face of the whole earth. Be always on the watch, and pray that you may be able to escape all that is about to happen, and that you may be able to stand before the Son of Man." [luke 21:35-36] "Because you have obeyed my command to endure, I will keep you from the hour of testing that is coming to the whole world to test those living on the earth." [rev 3:10] additionally, the following scripture is mentioned not too long after the the sixth seal: "After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude which no one could count, from every nation and all tribes and peoples and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed in white robes, and palm branches were in their hands..." [rev 7:9] jesus promised in luke 21 that people will be able to escape the wrath and "stand before the son of man". in revelation 7 there are numerous individuals "standing before the throne and before the lamb". coincidence? hardly. this "great multitude" can only be the raptured/resurrected "invisible church" of true and genuine christians. believers are promised to be rescued from the day of the lord's wrath. the day of the lord begins within the sixth seal, therefore the great multitude must be taken off of the earth before this period of judgment begins. "For God has not destined us to receive wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus..." [1 thes 5:9] Rapture "teachers" like to cherry-pick verses that apparently support their views. However, if you study the full scriptures and take them in their true context and understand what they are teaching, you will clearly see that there is NO support for a Rapture event. if you have the time, could you please help me "study the full scriptures and take them in their true context?" i would appreciate it. |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 427529 United States 10/25/2008 07:49 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have to agree 100% with you AC, unfortnately one has to do scriptural gymnastics to MAKE things fit to ones preconceived notion. Read scripture in the natural way it is written,God is not an author of confusion Quoting: mathetesfor clarification, which AC are you agreeing with? |
Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 427529 United States 10/25/2008 07:56 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | this may seem like quite an over generalization, but most of the people who believe in a postulation "catching away"/resurrection seem to be the most hardened, insensitive ones. |
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Anonymous Coward (OP) User ID: 427529 United States 10/25/2008 08:02 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP Quoting: Anonymous Coward 249732I too, used to believe in the 'rapture doctrine' but as I studied the Bible more and more I began to see that it was just not there. i have found it to be the exact opposite, in that the more i study the scriptures and understand god's love and promises to his children, the more the doctrine makes sense. Have you ever heard of a lady named Margret McDonald? Quoting: Anonymous Coward 249732no, but i am guessing she is one of the individuals who had a "dream" or "vision" which apparently started the doctrine of the rapture... people who believe these individuals were the first to establish the lord's imminent return for his church are the ones ironically deceived. |
Nucking Futs User ID: 455142 United States 10/25/2008 08:08 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | OP Quoting: Anonymous Coward 427529I too, used to believe in the 'rapture doctrine' but as I studied the Bible more and more I began to see that it was just not there. i have found it to be the exact opposite, in that the more i study the scriptures and understand god's love and promises to his children, the more the doctrine makes sense. Have you ever heard of a lady named Margret McDonald? no, but i am guessing she is one of the individuals who had a "dream" or "vision" which apparently started the doctrine of the rapture... people who believe these individuals were the first to establish the lord's imminent return for his church are the ones ironically deceived. All of the Biblical references that people use to support the "Rapture", actually occur at the "Day of the Lord", at his triumphant return. These are not two separate events; these things happen on the last day of this Earth. For example, the scripture you used in your first post... But I would not have you to be ignorant, brethren, concerning them which are asleep, that ye sorrow not, even as others which have no hope. For if we believe that Jesus died and rose again, even so them also which sleep in Jesus will God bring with him. For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not precede them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first. Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words. -1 Thessalonians 4:13-18 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 427529This does not sound like a quiet "Rapture" even to me; this sounds like God will make his arrival known to all. This event happens at the moment of God's return, on the glorious final day; after the Great Tribulation. |
mathetes User ID: 514914 United States 10/25/2008 08:10 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | I have to agree 100% with you AC, unfortnately one has to do scriptural gymnastics to MAKE things fit to ones preconceived notion. Read scripture in the natural way it is written,God is not an author of confusion Quoting: Anonymous Coward 427529for clarification, which AC are you agreeing with? I commend you OP on the thread but I have to agree with the other AC on the trumpet, thank God our salvation does not depend on such things but our readiness does For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. |