Ten steps to salvation

Your first paragraph is right on, but you still fail to see we are in no way teaching a gospel of salvation by works!

It is only by our obedience to God by which we show the fruit of the Spirit and our love toward God. However, an absence of good works such as Jesus exhibited continually, such as witnessing and caring for the poor shows we are not walking in the Spirit of love and have fallen away from the faith and become a lukewarm Laodicean Christian. These will not see the Kingdom of God.

Your own lack of understanding of the full gospel of Jesus Christ and your disobedience to keep His commandments shows you still harbour sin in your heart and it is you yourself who should repent from your widckedness. You fight against the pricks. Such folly!
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you can elect to be one of the elected...

stop making excuses

Let me spell it out for you from the WORD OF GOD in John 14:15,16


15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.
16 And I will pray the Father, and he shall give you another Comforter, that he may abide with you for ever.


Do you love Him? Then do you have any reason not keep the commandments or are you harboring the lusts of the flesh, pride, and covetousness?

A 2nd question: Who is the Comforter?

Lastly, what are the conditions of receiving the Comforter?

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I stand by my original answer.

Jesus FREELY gives the HS to those that ask and seek Him sincerely; not for works, but by faith.

"If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children: how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?"


If you wish to add to the Word of God, or distort it, that is your choice to do so.

You people need to come out of these churches which teach "grace only" and "everybody's saved, just fill the baskets full", so you can live like the world and lie, cheat, and steal, and commit fornication and adultery.

Over the years both Elijah and myself have been in many of these churches and have walked out of them as all we saw were disobedient Christians walking in their own lusts. We cannot fellowship in these churches as they continue to walk in the ways of the world, not keeping his commandments, failure to keep the 7th day sabbath for our Lord of the Sabbath, Matthew 12:8. That's why the Lord told Elijah only 2% of His people are saved.

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You did not answer the questions. They are from the very Word of God which is neither adding or distorting.
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IMO, it is your interpretation of those words that is distorted.


Eph 2:8-9 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.

AMEN to that!

So true of many of this generation which believe the lies of grace only and you don't have to do anything else which is the lie of the devil which has resulted in the great falling away which will soon bring Anti-Christ upon the scene and a multitude of Christians left behind faced with the mark of the beast:

2 Thessalonins 2:9-12

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

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Since when is obeying God works? Abraham believed God, and it was counted unto him as righteousness, as Paul explained of tis saint of God.

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Exactly! Abraham is a good example of salvation by God's grace alone!

Abraham's humanity and sin is plainly on display in the OT.

It was his faith that counted him righteous, not his works.

It was his works which proved his faith. The evidence of our faith is our works.

Keep His Commandments like you are told to do, for the unbelieving face the lake of fire, Revelation 21:8, and those who do not keep His commandments have no right to the tree of life, Revelation 22:14.

End of conversation. You have been warned.
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I guess people must agree with this OP or ELSE……

they are banished according to him; to outer darkness where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth!

Oh yes, he will no longer talk to you either. (just as a side note)

Yep, that sounds cult-like to me.

Which I think was a while before the law.

You're right, faith without works is dead, but works without faith is as "filthy rags". I've heard that the Hebrew text on this suggests that it's referring to the rags of a woman's monthly issue.

If we're not behaving in an increasingly godly manner, then, yes, something is not right. Our faith will become apparent in our actions and words.
However, the faith is still more important than the works. The works are a side-effect of being born again. Grace is like an incubator or a shelter which hides us from what we deserve as sinners, and gives us a chance to learn to be His sons and daughters. Out of this scenario, good behavior should manifest. But without the incubator and the Father overseeing the process, any works are irrelevant. They don't foster Jesus in us.

This same issue comes up again and again with you guys, but you and/or Elijah™ seem really resistant to even consider God's heart in any of this. Just judgment and severity.

We do at least all agree that sin is unacceptable. But why is it? Because it separates us from Him.
This isn't about meeting a list of parameters; it's about dwelling together with him. IN Christ, and Christ IN us.

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You're right, faith without works is dead, but works without faith is as "filthy rags". I've heard that the Hebrew text on this suggests that it's referring to the rags of a woman's monthly issue.

If we're not behaving in an increasingly godly manner, then, yes, something is not right. Our faith will become apparent in our actions and words.
However, the faith is still more important than the works. The works are a side-effect of being born again. Grace is like an incubator or a shelter which hides us from what we deserve as sinners, and gives us a chance to learn to be His sons and daughters. Out of this scenario, good behavior should manifest. But without the incubator and the Father overseeing the process, any works are irrelevant. They don't foster Jesus in us.

This same issue comes up again and again with you guys, but you and/or Elijah™ seem really resistant to even consider God's heart in any of this. Just judgment and severity.

We do at least all agree that sin is unacceptable. But why is it? Because it separates us from Him.
This isn't about meeting a list of parameters; it's about dwelling together with him. IN Christ, and Christ IN us.

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Hello, my friend. Thanks for expressing your views.

If we know God the way we should we see that His ways are both judgment and mercy and only He possesses these two characteristics in the same person. His mercy is what each of us give Him praise for daily, for no one has as much mercy and love as He shows to each one of us.

The church is well aware of these things, so God's prophet Elijah's work as His messenger is to fill in the gaps and give out the prophecies God has revealed to him, and the Word of God according to Malachi 4:4-6:

4 Remember ye the law of Moses my servant, which I commanded unto him in Horeb for all Israel, with the statutes and judgments.
5 Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet before the coming of the great and dreadful day of the LORD:
6 And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the children, and the heart of the children to their fathers, lest I come and smite the earth with a curse.



So yourself being an interested follower of God and a faithful reader of these threads (and we are grateful for that), I ask you to try to look at things this way:

Elijah as God's prophet sees, I see, the day of judgment swiftly approaching, and it is the role of God's prophets to give out the warnings to help His people to be found righteous and holy before Him. As we've said many times before, we are not in God's place to give out judgment, just to warn, as some of His people we see are still not ready when the Lord calls out to His elect bride on that day, "Come up here."

Throughout thousands of years of man's history, prophets of God have been maligned and hated for giving out the truth for they are seen to be judgmental, for natural man loves their own flesh and are resistant to His commands. Elijah has said only 2% of the church is in a savable condition, which means that 98% of the church are still in their rebelliousness to obey Him and the commandments.

It is to this majority as well as the heathen we address our warnings of His coming judgment, not because we are hateful, but on the contrary, because we love their souls and this is why Elijah has written many thousands of messages over the years as God's messenger.

If only the church could understand, and we have studied this issue thoroughly, there are untold thousands upon thousands of antichrist Vatican Jesuits behind the scenes who have infiltrated all of the governments and banking and churches with all their evil deeds including these false teachings and doctrines widely taught in the churches, the two worst being this false Sunday worship day being a day of rest; and the other is the one we're fighting on this thread and others, this "grace only" false doctrine which pastors are teaching, that we do not have to keep the commndments, which I see has basically has came out of the baptist churches in America and spread into other harlot churches, given out by the Vatican Great Whore of Revelation chapter 17. I have attended many of these baptist churches, and this is what they teach. It's basically "Once saved always saved" which means they don't have to follow God's Law as it written on their heart and so they don't have to repent, so they are free to commit whatever sin they please as they are "not under the Law" and will not be judged for it as they are now under grace.

So the Vatican led by these Jesuits have managed to chuck out the Ten Commandments out of the municipal buildings of government in America which really should be the basis of their laws in the judicial system but which no longer is, and they have thrown out the commndments in the churches, so people no longer know what sin is and think they're okay, that they're under grace.

It's a frightening situation and we're trying to correct this.

Thank you taking the time to write.God bless you and give you understanding in all of His ways.


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I agree with you that they are in error on this. I guess perhaps where we're not altogether congruent is the issue of one's intent and desire, such as someone serving God because they "have to" in order to be saved versus knowing Him and experiencing true change.

I seem to be posting 2 John chapter 1 below. . .

2Jo 1:1 The Elder, to the elect lady and her children, whom I love in truth, and not only I, but also all those who have known the truth,

2Jo 1:2 because of the truth which abides in us and will be with us forever:

2Jo 1:3 Grace, mercy, and peace will be with you from God the Father and from the Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of the Father, in truth and love.

2Jo 1:4 I rejoiced greatly that I have found some of your children walking in truth, as we received commandment from the Father.

2Jo 1:5 And now I plead with you, lady, not as though I wrote a new commandment to you, but that which we have had from the beginning: that we love one another.

2Jo 1:6 This is love, that we walk according to His commandments. This is the commandment, that as you have heard from the beginning, you should walk in it.

2Jo 1:7 For many deceivers have gone out into the world who do not confess Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh. This is a deceiver and an antichrist.

2Jo 1:8 Look to yourselves, that we do not lose those things we worked for, but that we may receive a full reward.

2Jo 1:9 Whoever transgresses and does not abide in the doctrine of Christ does not have God. He who abides in the doctrine of Christ has both the Father and the Son.

2Jo 1:10 If anyone comes to you and does not bring this doctrine, do not receive him into your house nor greet him;

2Jo 1:11 for he who greets him shares in his evil deeds.

2Jo 1:12 Having many things to write to you, I did not wish to do so with paper and ink; but I hope to come to you and speak face to face, that our joy may be full.

2Jo 1:13 The children of your elect sister greet you. Amen

Surely love and compassion fulfills one of the two of the greatest commandments, love for one's neighbour. If you examine this closely, this gets back to the fulfilling of the Law, the Ten Commandments, in the keeping of Commandment number 10 which is the law to not covet, that is, money or material goods, for if one fails to keep this Law they surely have no love or compassion upon the poor.

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what a tryhard ,guess ,very young fuckstick

God just told me you are Satan. It must be true because God never lies.

Nothing new here. The antichrist people called Jesus "Beelzebub".

wouldn't the 1st one be ,go away ,that is as far as you can from godtards?

IMO, we do not serve God because we HAVE to, it is because we WANT to.
(You know that love out of free will thingy.)

We are happy to do our best to obey all His commandments, because we believe God knows best.

We serve Him and do our best to obey all His commandments because we love Him.

But, we are OnlyHuman, and fall short of the glory of God.

There is none good, no not one.

In Christ we are free to realize man is in need of salvation, and is flawed.

But, this "Scribe" is preaching salvation through works.

Regaurding this doctrine, I disagree vehemently.

A false witness is not always one who outright lies.

It also means delivering the right information, BUT, with the wrong implication.

That is what I personally believe to be the case here.

Haven't you got a church to go to ? pls piss off

I lJudges 1:34
And the Amorites forced the children of Dan into the mountain: for they would not suffer them to come down to the valley:

there you go thumpers

Re: But, this "Scribe" is preaching salvation through works.


We preach no such thing. Where do you get this idea?

The tribe of Dan were idol worshipers, out of the Will of God. God does not protect the disobedient for they were breaking the commandment.

It's the same with the church today. The disobedient will not be part of the "rapture" for grace does not cover wilful and unrepented sin. Into the boxcars they go.

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Re: But, this "Scribe" is preaching salvation through works.








How is this not legalism?

How is this not salvation by works?

You know what that entails, don't you? It means you believe all that He says.

Read these verses regarding loving God and His people:

John 14:15 If ye love me, keep my commandments.

1 John 5:1,2

Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.

By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.

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The Word of God is spiritual. 1 John 2:4 "He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him." Quite frankly, I would rather be called a legalist than to be called a liar and face judgment and cast into the Lake of Fire:

"But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death," Revelation 21:8.



God says to keep His Commandments. It is not "salvation by works" to obey Him. By this we show that we love him, for John 14:15 states "IF ye love me, keep my commandments."

Do not mix up obdedience as being works, but simply keep His Commandments as He clearly told you to do. If you do not, you are being rebellious and God is forced to chastize you for this is how God feels about rebellion: 1 Samuel 15:23 "For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, and stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry."

Obeying Him shows you revere Him as your Father which is what the Lord Jesus did, John 15:10, as follows:

"If ye keep my commandments, ye shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father's commandments, and abide in his love."

Jesus Christ is our example in keeping the commandments, so we find that by His own example that grace does not do away with the Law and that we must be like Him in keeping it.

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Glad you are now speaking with me again.

I mean no harm, but, do stand up for what I find to be true.

And, I enjoy talking about the Lord.


Are we not human and imperfect?

Try as we may, keeping all the commandments at all times is impossible.

Now, if you are saying when we break the law or "sin" we must repent, that I can hang with.

We are to seek God's mercy continually.

But, we are not to make salvation a burden in that we beat ourselves up for being a human being.

IMO, Christ is a liberator who sets us free to enjoy life in the Spirit.

Okay, now I know where you are coming from.

Here's some observations in my personal walk and observing the walk of others:

We are called by God to walk in the Spirit and knowing this we come to realize self is our worst enemy. If we are born again and seeking to walk in His ways and follow His teachings, our conscience becomes honed and sharpened to be wary of sinning against a holy God.

But if self gets in the way - now I'm still talking about a born-again Christian, and that person begins to walk in sin, he/she will say things like "I'm not perfect", or "But we all sin, don't we?" showing that guilt is there but he/she is making excuses for their conduct. When such persons continue in their sin they become hardened and no longer make excuses, and they fall away from the faith.

That's why examining oneself daily is so important and comparing it with the Ten Commandments and the teachings of Jesus and the apostles, such as "Am I making anyone an idol" or "Do I really need to buy this?" (re covetousness).

If we have temptations, we take those to the Lord to handle, and seek to keep our mind off of them. It's not an easy walk but with practice it becomes a habit and with it is wonderful freedom from sin so you are no longer held captive to it.
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