OBAMA ADMITS HE WAS A BRITISH CITIZEN "AT BIRTH" ~ HE IS NOT A 'NATURAL BORN' CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES | |
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PACNWguy (OP) User ID: 501628 United States 11/15/2008 02:09 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: OBAMA ADMITS HE WAS A BRITISH CITIZEN "AT BIRTH" ~ HE IS NOT A 'NATURAL BORN' CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES you can have duel citizenship and still be a natural born US citizen. Quoting: Reece2076Can you? Do you know that for a fact? Got a link? "Natural Born" is more than just being a citizen. OBAMA - THE FASTEST FAILED PRESIDENT IN AMERICAN HISTORY "I inherated and I am Great!" |
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Reece2076 User ID: 551427 China 11/15/2008 02:12 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: OBAMA ADMITS HE WAS A BRITISH CITIZEN "AT BIRTH" ~ HE IS NOT A 'NATURAL BORN' CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES you can have duel citizenship and still be a natural born US citizen. Quoting: PACNWguyCan you? Do you know that for a fact? Got a link? "Natural Born" is more than just being a citizen. there are naturalized citizens who immigrated here and later become citizens. then there are natural born citizens who were either born in the United States or at least one of their parents is a US citizen. As Above, So Below Work Smarter, Not Harder |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 542303 United Kingdom 11/15/2008 02:13 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: OBAMA ADMITS HE WAS A BRITISH CITIZEN "AT BIRTH" ~ HE IS NOT A 'NATURAL BORN' CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES you can have duel citizenship and still be a natural born US citizen. Quoting: Reece2076Not if you were an Indonesian, which Obama was: [link to images.google.com] He gave his American citizenship up because Indonesia did not allow dual citizenship. Which means he is now a naturalized citizen and ineligible to be president. QED |
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Reece2076 User ID: 551427 China 11/15/2008 02:14 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: OBAMA ADMITS HE WAS A BRITISH CITIZEN "AT BIRTH" ~ HE IS NOT A 'NATURAL BORN' CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES If this holds true then John McCain is not a 'natural born' citizen either. Quoting: PACNWguyPer the constitution. the senate lead by the democrats put that to rest during the primaries when they made it clear that since mccain was born to US citizens he was also a US citizen. Where you are born doesn't matter as long as at least one of your parents was a citizen at the time of your birth. As Above, So Below Work Smarter, Not Harder |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 522707 United States 11/15/2008 02:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: OBAMA ADMITS HE WAS A BRITISH CITIZEN "AT BIRTH" ~ HE IS NOT A 'NATURAL BORN' CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES you can have duel citizenship and still be a natural born US citizen. Quoting: PACNWguyCan you? Do you know that for a fact? Got a link? "Natural Born" is more than just being a citizen. My sister in law was born in the Bahammas, but her parents were both US born citizens. She's a US citizen, but as I recall, they all laughed about how she could never be president because she was born in the Bahammas. Don't know. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 522707 United States 11/15/2008 02:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: OBAMA ADMITS HE WAS A BRITISH CITIZEN "AT BIRTH" ~ HE IS NOT A 'NATURAL BORN' CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES you can have duel citizenship and still be a natural born US citizen. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 542303Not if you were an Indonesian, which Obama was: [link to images.google.com] He gave his American citizenship up because Indonesia did not allow dual citizenship. Which means he is now a naturalized citizen and ineligible to be president. QED I heard on here somewhere that kids under a certain age can't renounce their citizenship. Is that true? |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 542303 United Kingdom 11/15/2008 02:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: OBAMA ADMITS HE WAS A BRITISH CITIZEN "AT BIRTH" ~ HE IS NOT A 'NATURAL BORN' CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES If this holds true then John McCain is not a 'natural born' citizen either. Quoting: Reece2076Per the constitution. the senate lead by the democrats put that to rest during the primaries when they made it clear that since mccain was born to US citizens he was also a US citizen. Where you are born doesn't matter as long as at least one of your parents was a citizen at the time of your birth. Wrong. If the father was foreign, the mother had to have lived in the USA at least five years after the age of 14 before giving birth to the child. I will repeat it again. Where Obama was born is irrelevant. We ALREADY have proof Obama became Indonesian. That means he had to give up his American citizenship, even assuming he had it in the first place. |
Reece2076 User ID: 551427 China 11/15/2008 02:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: OBAMA ADMITS HE WAS A BRITISH CITIZEN "AT BIRTH" ~ HE IS NOT A 'NATURAL BORN' CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES you can have duel citizenship and still be a natural born US citizen. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 542303Not if you were an Indonesian, which Obama was: [link to images.google.com] He gave his American citizenship up because Indonesia did not allow dual citizenship. Which means he is now a naturalized citizen and ineligible to be president. QED Maybe in Indonesia they only considered him to be an Indonesian citizen. But he remained a citizen in the US since we do allow duel citizenship. What the hell is that link supposed to prove. It looks like a page in some random book. As Above, So Below Work Smarter, Not Harder |
PACNWguy (OP) User ID: 501628 United States 11/15/2008 02:20 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: OBAMA ADMITS HE WAS A BRITISH CITIZEN "AT BIRTH" ~ HE IS NOT A 'NATURAL BORN' CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES If this holds true then John McCain is not a 'natural born' citizen either. Quoting: Reece2076Per the constitution. the senate lead by the democrats put that to rest during the primaries when they made it clear that since mccain was born to US citizens he was also a US citizen. Where you are born doesn't matter as long as at least one of your parents was a citizen at the time of your birth. People and senators can say what the hell they want to say but that doesnt make it true. Congress doesnt get to vote on what the constitution says. This should come down to a "test" where the lords on the supreme court will tell us what the framers meant by 'natural born' citizen with respect to holding the office of president. If it turns out Obama is not a natural born citizen, then it would take an amendment to the constitution ratified by all 50 states for him to hold office. OBAMA - THE FASTEST FAILED PRESIDENT IN AMERICAN HISTORY "I inherated and I am Great!" |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 516120 United States 11/15/2008 02:22 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: OBAMA ADMITS HE WAS A BRITISH CITIZEN "AT BIRTH" ~ HE IS NOT A 'NATURAL BORN' CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES you can have duel citizenship and still be a natural born US citizen. Quoting: Reece2076That's true, but you have to be BORN in the USA. I have a duel citizenship, but it was granted when I was 15 from my mother's country. I am American. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 516120 United States 11/15/2008 02:23 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: OBAMA ADMITS HE WAS A BRITISH CITIZEN "AT BIRTH" ~ HE IS NOT A 'NATURAL BORN' CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES you can have duel citizenship and still be a natural born US citizen. Quoting: Reece2076Not if you were an Indonesian, which Obama was: [link to images.google.com] He gave his American citizenship up because Indonesia did not allow dual citizenship. Which means he is now a naturalized citizen and ineligible to be president. QED Maybe in Indonesia they only considered him to be an Indonesian citizen. But he remained a citizen in the US since we do allow duel citizenship. What the hell is that link supposed to prove. It looks like a page in some random book. He went to a Muslim school IN indonesia and you have be a citizen for the school. That means his step father Soetoro adopted him, but he is Kenyan. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 542303 United Kingdom 11/15/2008 02:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: OBAMA ADMITS HE WAS A BRITISH CITIZEN "AT BIRTH" ~ HE IS NOT A 'NATURAL BORN' CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES you can have duel citizenship and still be a natural born US citizen. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 522707Not if you were an Indonesian, which Obama was: [link to images.google.com] He gave his American citizenship up because Indonesia did not allow dual citizenship. Which means he is now a naturalized citizen and ineligible to be president. QED I heard on here somewhere that kids under a certain age can't renounce their citizenship. Is that true? Obama was adopted by his stepfather, Solo Soetero, who was Indonesian. His father HAD (I repeat: HAD) to have applied for Indonesian citizenship for Obama, according to his school registration form, which means his American citizenship MUST (I repeat: MUST) have been relinquished. |
Reece2076 User ID: 551427 China 11/15/2008 02:24 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: OBAMA ADMITS HE WAS A BRITISH CITIZEN "AT BIRTH" ~ HE IS NOT A 'NATURAL BORN' CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES If this holds true then John McCain is not a 'natural born' citizen either. Quoting: PACNWguyPer the constitution. the senate lead by the democrats put that to rest during the primaries when they made it clear that since mccain was born to US citizens he was also a US citizen. Where you are born doesn't matter as long as at least one of your parents was a citizen at the time of your birth. People and senators can say what the hell they want to say but that doesnt make it true. Congress doesnt get to vote on what the constitution says. This should come down to a "test" where the lords on the supreme court will tell us what the framers meant by 'natural born' citizen with respect to holding the office of president. If it turns out Obama is not a natural born citizen, then it would take an amendment to the constitution ratified by all 50 states for him to hold office. Dual Nationality The concept of dual nationality means that a person is a citizen of two countries at the same time. Each country has its own citizenship laws based on its own policy.Persons may have dual nationality by automatic operation of different laws rather than by choice. For example, a child born in a foreign country to U.S. citizen parents may be both a U.S. citizen and a citizen of the country of birth. A U.S. citizen may acquire foreign citizenship by marriage, or a person naturalized as a U.S. citizen may not lose the citizenship of the country of birth.U.S. law does not mention dual nationality or require a person to choose one citizenship or another. Also, a person who is automatically granted another citizenship does not risk losing U.S. citizenship. However, a person who acquires a foreign citizenship by applying for it may lose U.S. citizenship. In order to lose U.S. citizenship, the law requires that the person must apply for the foreign citizenship voluntarily, by free choice, and with the intention to give up U.S. citizenship. Intent can be shown by the person's statements or conduct.The U.S. Government recognizes that dual nationality exists but does not encourage it as a matter of policy because of the problems it may cause. Claims of other countries on dual national U.S. citizens may conflict with U.S. law, and dual nationality may limit U.S. Government efforts to assist citizens abroad. The country where a dual national is located generally has a stronger claim to that person's allegiance. However, dual nationals owe allegiance to both the United States and the foreign country. They are required to obey the laws of both countries. Either country has the right to enforce its laws, particularly if the person later travels there.Most U.S. citizens, including dual nationals, must use a U.S. passport to enter and leave the United States. Dual nationals may also be required by the foreign country to use its passport to enter and leave that country. Use of the foreign passport does not endanger U.S. citizenship.Most countries permit a person to renounce or otherwise lose citizenship. Information on losing foreign citizenship can be obtained from the foreign country's embassy and consulates in the United States. Americans can renounce U.S. citizenship in the proper form at U.S. embassies and consulates abroad. [link to travel.state.gov] As Above, So Below Work Smarter, Not Harder |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 542303 United Kingdom 11/15/2008 02:26 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: OBAMA ADMITS HE WAS A BRITISH CITIZEN "AT BIRTH" ~ HE IS NOT A 'NATURAL BORN' CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES you can have duel citizenship and still be a natural born US citizen. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 516120Not if you were an Indonesian, which Obama was: [link to images.google.com] He gave his American citizenship up because Indonesia did not allow dual citizenship. Which means he is now a naturalized citizen and ineligible to be president. QED Maybe in Indonesia they only considered him to be an Indonesian citizen. But he remained a citizen in the US since we do allow duel citizenship. What the hell is that link supposed to prove. It looks like a page in some random book. He went to a Muslim school IN indonesia and you have be a citizen for the school. That means his step father Soetoro adopted him, but he is Kenyan. Nope. According to Indonesian law, Obama could not have dual citizenship. So he must have given up whatever citizenship he had at the time. Whichever way, he must have become a naturalized American citizen, making him ineligible to be president. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 516120 United States 11/15/2008 02:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: OBAMA ADMITS HE WAS A BRITISH CITIZEN "AT BIRTH" ~ HE IS NOT A 'NATURAL BORN' CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES No, you go learn something about your country you fucking ingorant moron. Give up you status as an American, and you give up the rightr to say shit like that without the KGB coming to your house to beat you half to death. You ignorant morons have no appreciation of what you have. You won't recognize how lucky you WERE, until it's gone, but it will ruined for event he good and the patriotic. |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 459297 United Kingdom 11/15/2008 02:30 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Re: OBAMA ADMITS HE WAS A BRITISH CITIZEN "AT BIRTH" ~ HE IS NOT A 'NATURAL BORN' CITIZEN OF THE UNITED STATES If this holds true then John McCain is not a 'natural born' citizen either. Quoting: Reece2076Per the constitution. the senate lead by the democrats put that to rest during the primaries when they made it clear that since mccain was born to US citizens he was also a US citizen. Where you are born doesn't matter as long as at least one of your parents was a citizen at the time of your birth. Inauguration should be held up until legal enquiry. Mothers age also relevent. He is the same nationality as his father. He can't have dual nationality and be a natural born citizen. It's all about divided loyalties. That's the spirit of the law. He is Kenyan. Can't you find someone born to two americans? |