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Obama Wants Israel Back to 1967 Borders

 
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True colors shining through.

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President-elect Barack Obama intends to pursue a Mideast peace policy that calls on Israel to revert to its pre-1967 borders in return for official diplomatic recognition by the Arab world.

A senior Obama adviser told the London Times that Obama will throw his support behind a 2002 Saudi peace initiative that also has been endorsed by Israeli Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni, the Arab League, and Israeli President Shimon Peres.

Under the plan:

# Israel would be able to veto the return of Arab refugees expelled in 1948.

# Israel would restore the Golan Heights to Syria.

# Palestinians would be allowed to establish a state capital in east Jerusalem.

According to the senior adviser, Obama has said privately that Israel would be "crazy" to reject such a plan, since it would "give them peace with the Muslim world."
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That's a good start. We'd probably all be better off if it were actually rolled back to pre 1948 borders.
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but none according to the first belfour ? agreement were to have any of the city of jerusalem to claim as theirs.
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the Arab staes will never recognize Israel ever.

Obamas idea sounds good but he knows its hot air. It makes him look like he is doing something.
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but none according to the first belfour ? agreement were to have any of the city of jerusalem to claim as theirs.
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It might help if you could spell Balfour. It could help more if you understood what the document said.


From the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

Foreign Office
November 2nd, 1917

Dear Lord Rothschild,

I have much pleasure in conveying to you, on behalf of His Majesty's Government, the following declaration of sympathy with Jewish Zionist aspirations which has been submitted to, and approved by, the Cabinet.

"His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country."

I should be grateful if you would bring this declaration to the knowledge of the Zionist Federation.

Yours sincerely,
Arthur James Balfour

[link to www.mfa.gov.il]
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That's a good start. We'd probably all be better off if it were actually rolled back to pre 1948 borders.
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Nice entropy what are suggesting exterminaion? curious how you think that could be possible.
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the Arab staes will never recognize Israel ever.

Obamas idea sounds good but he knows its hot air. It makes him look like he is doing something.
 Quoting: Focal Point


They have already ALL agreed to recognize Israel for a return to 1967 borders.

You have been trapped in the Zionist Propaganda like so many others.
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True colors shining through.

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President-elect Barack Obama intends to pursue a Mideast peace policy that calls on Israel to revert to its pre-1967 borders in return for official diplomatic recognition by the Arab world.

A senior Obama adviser told the London Times that Obama will throw his support behind a 2002 Saudi peace initiative that also has been endorsed by Israeli Foreign Minister Tzipi Livni, the Arab League, and Israeli President Shimon Peres.

Under the plan:

# Israel would be able to veto the return of Arab refugees expelled in 1948.

# Israel would restore the Golan Heights to Syria.

# Palestinians would be allowed to establish a state capital in east Jerusalem.

According to the senior adviser, Obama has said privately that Israel would be "crazy" to reject such a plan, since it would "give them peace with the Muslim world."
 Quoting: Arch~Angel 551960


Good for Obama. I have hope for him, more and more.

Israel would not be hated if they didn't proclaim superiority to every one on the planet. How egotistical for Israel to claim they are God's favorite.

That would be like you telling your brothers and sisters that your parents love you more. Would you like it? The Arabs don't like it either.
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That's a good start. We'd probably all be better off if it were actually rolled back to pre 1948 borders.

Nice entropy what are suggesting exterminaion? curious how you think that could be possible.
 Quoting: Focal Point


Well, couldn't the same body that created Israel again, UNcreate Israel again? I say UNcreate Israel and put it back like it was in 1947, or just call the whole territory "Palestine". Then the jews can just live in Palestine if they want to.
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If Obama sees this through I'll post a pic of my third nipple!
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the Arab staes will never recognize Israel ever.

Obamas idea sounds good but he knows its hot air. It makes him look like he is doing something.


They have already ALL agreed to recognize Israel for a return to 1967 borders.

You have been trapped in the Zionist Propaganda like so many others.
 Quoting: Arch~Angel 551960


NO you have been blinded for the hate of Israel im speaking for a historical perspective

After the Camp David Accords Egypt was chastised by all Arab nations for recognizing Israel.

Please dont tell me im brainwashed by zionists its a laughable arguemnt.

The Arab worlds argument is that its an illegal occupation therefore they do not recognize the state of Israel who is brainwashed my friend.
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Well it is long overdue that they should return the Palestinian lands that were stolen.

See map...


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That's a good start. We'd probably all be better off if it were actually rolled back to pre 1948 borders.

Nice entropy what are suggesting exterminaion? curious how you think that could be possible.


Well, couldn't the same body that created Israel again, UNcreate Israel again? I say UNcreate Israel and put it back like it was in 1947, or just call the whole territory "Palestine". Then the jews can just live in Palestine if they want to.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 252372

well if we wanna play turn the clock back we could turn it back to 1900 and say Jordan Syria Egypt Iraq Kuwait UAE Qatar Iran Saudi Arabia and Lebanon should cease to exist and make it the Ottoman Empire again.

Or turn the clock back to 600ad and say Islam does not exist.


Or turn the clock back to 70 ad and give a huge portion of the middle east to Italy for Rome.

That argument does not address the problem.
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but none according to the first belfour ? agreement were to have any of the city of jerusalem to claim as theirs.


It might help if you could spell Balfour. It could help more if you understood what the document said.


From the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs.

Foreign Office
November 2nd, 1917

Dear Lord Rothschild,

I have much pleasure in conveying to you, on behalf of His Majesty's Government, the following declaration of sympathy with Jewish Zionist aspirations which has been submitted to, and approved by, the Cabinet.

"His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavours to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country."

I should be grateful if you would bring this declaration to the knowledge of the Zionist Federation.

Yours sincerely,
Arthur James Balfour

[link to www.mfa.gov.il]
 Quoting: Arch~Angel 551960

thanks for putting the correct spelling to it (i know that is so very important).
it was a zionist thing and not a people thing from it's inception. that's why whomever was the president of the united states at the time didn't want to pursue it as he was not for zionism.
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"....the following declaration of sympathy with Jewish Zionist aspirations which has been submitted to, and approved by, the Cabinet."

set up the zionist nation. seems pretty clear...doesn't it?
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see...the american president...(can't remember his name but i'm sure it can be corrected by someone)...wrote to the brit's at the time talking against the building of said nation (do a search)due to the zionist lean to it...not the jewish people but the zionist lean.

history.
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That's a good start. We'd probably all be better off if it were actually rolled back to pre 1948 borders.

Nice entropy what are suggesting exterminaion? curious how you think that could be possible.


Well, couldn't the same body that created Israel again, UNcreate Israel again? I say UNcreate Israel and put it back like it was in 1947, or just call the whole territory "Palestine". Then the jews can just live in Palestine if they want to.
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Ummm...it wasn't Palestine in 1947. And if you think the Palestinians and the Israelis are going to occupy the same soil peacefully, by and large, you're mistaken...not without a war first.
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pushing the people there away from their land (which is why arabs will not agree as they still hold land title on said land)...but it went through anyway...and who was it?...created the land and name it israel.
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Ummm...it wasn't Palestine in 1947. And if you think the Palestinians and the Israelis are going to occupy the same soil peacefully, by and large, you're mistaken...not without a war first.
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of course it wasn't called palestine back then...but it didn't stop the people having to leave their deeded lands for the zionists move in.
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That's a good start. We'd probably all be better off if it were actually rolled back to pre 1948 borders.

Nice entropy what are suggesting exterminaion? curious how you think that could be possible.


Well, couldn't the same body that created Israel again, UNcreate Israel again? I say UNcreate Israel and put it back like it was in 1947, or just call the whole territory "Palestine". Then the jews can just live in Palestine if they want to.



Ummm...it wasn't Palestine in 1947. And if you think the Palestinians and the Israelis are going to occupy the same soil peacefully, by and large, you're mistaken...not without a war first.
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From shortly after WWI until May 14, 1948 it was called PALESTINE.

Look up the Israeli Declaration of Independence.

While you are at it look up the Israeli constitution. Good luck with that. No one has been able to find one yet.
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khazars back to khazaria, and behind bar for a long time for most of them.
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and remember that zionists are not the same as jews.
nor are jews the same as zionists.
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the Arab staes will never recognize Israel ever.

Obamas idea sounds good but he knows its hot air. It makes him look like he is doing something.


They have already ALL agreed to recognize Israel for a return to 1967 borders.

You have been trapped in the Zionist Propaganda like so many others.


NO you have been blinded for the hate of Israel im speaking for a historical perspective

After the Camp David Accords Egypt was chastised by all Arab nations for recognizing Israel.

Please dont tell me im brainwashed by zionists its a laughable arguemnt.

The Arab worlds argument is that its an illegal occupation therefore they do not recognize the state of Israel who is brainwashed my friend.
 Quoting: Focal Point


You are trying to drive two extremist views as the only possible thoughts.


I endorse a nation of Israel that holds referendums and creates a democratic constitution/

I endorse an end to the occupation.

If this leaves one state or two becomes secondary.
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That's a good start. We'd probably all be better off if it were actually rolled back to pre 1948 borders.

Nice entropy what are suggesting exterminaion? curious how you think that could be possible.


Well, couldn't the same body that created Israel again, UNcreate Israel again? I say UNcreate Israel and put it back like it was in 1947, or just call the whole territory "Palestine". Then the jews can just live in Palestine if they want to.



Ummm...it wasn't Palestine in 1947. And if you think the Palestinians and the Israelis are going to occupy the same soil peacefully, by and large, you're mistaken...not without a war first.


From shortly after WWI until May 14, 1948 it was called PALESTINE.

Look up the Israeli Declaration of Independence.

While you are at it look up the Israeli constitution. Good luck with that. No one has been able to find one yet.
 Quoting: Arch~Angel 551960

Actually Lebanon Jordan, Syria and Israel were simply called Syria under the Ottomans


Conquests of Selim I and Suleyman I in the 17th century required an increase in administrative units. By the end of the latter half of the century there were as many as 42 eyalets, as the beylerbeyliks came to be known.
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That's a good start. We'd probably all be better off if it were actually rolled back to pre 1948 borders.

Nice entropy what are suggesting exterminaion? curious how you think that could be possible.


Well, couldn't the same body that created Israel again, UNcreate Israel again? I say UNcreate Israel and put it back like it was in 1947, or just call the whole territory "Palestine". Then the jews can just live in Palestine if they want to.



Ummm...it wasn't Palestine in 1947. And if you think the Palestinians and the Israelis are going to occupy the same soil peacefully, by and large, you're mistaken...not without a war first.


From shortly after WWI until May 14, 1948 it was called PALESTINE.

Look up the Israeli Declaration of Independence.

While you are at it look up the Israeli constitution. Good luck with that. No one has been able to find one yet.

Actually Lebanon Jordan, Syria and Israel were simply called Syria under the Ottomans


Conquests of Selim I and Suleyman I in the 17th century required an increase in administrative units. By the end of the latter half of the century there were as many as 42 eyalets, as the beylerbeyliks came to be known.
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You are ignoring the post WWI situations.

Why?
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ain't gonna happen.........
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the Arab staes will never recognize Israel ever.

Obamas idea sounds good but he knows its hot air. It makes him look like he is doing something.


They have already ALL agreed to recognize Israel for a return to 1967 borders.

You have been trapped in the Zionist Propaganda like so many others.


NO you have been blinded for the hate of Israel im speaking for a historical perspective

After the Camp David Accords Egypt was chastised by all Arab nations for recognizing Israel.

Please dont tell me im brainwashed by zionists its a laughable arguemnt.

The Arab worlds argument is that its an illegal occupation therefore they do not recognize the state of Israel who is brainwashed my friend.


You are trying to drive two extremist views as the only possible thoughts.


I endorse a nation of Israel that holds referendums and creates a democratic constitution/

I endorse an end to the occupation.

If this leaves one state or two becomes secondary.
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Please tell me where my thoughts are extremist in you opinion. ll im doing is saying the time game is a silly argument and that Obama staing what was said in OP is an excercise in futility because the Arab States have refused to recognize Israel since the 1947 UN partition plan. Immediately after Israel was declared a state they were attacked. At this time Israel had 600k citizens and lost 6000 people a full 1% of its population defending there newly found state.

By you saying you support an end to the ocupation is an extremist viewpoint IMO. The Arab nations refer to the occupation is the state of Israel itself.
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True colors shining through.


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You say that like it's a bad thing.
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can't have peace in the world without sanity
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the Arab staes will never recognize Israel ever.

Obamas idea sounds good but he knows its hot air. It makes him look like he is doing something.


They have already ALL agreed to recognize Israel for a return to 1967 borders.

You have been trapped in the Zionist Propaganda like so many others.


NO you have been blinded for the hate of Israel im speaking for a historical perspective

After the Camp David Accords Egypt was chastised by all Arab nations for recognizing Israel.

Please dont tell me im brainwashed by zionists its a laughable arguemnt.

The Arab worlds argument is that its an illegal occupation therefore they do not recognize the state of Israel who is brainwashed my friend.


You are trying to drive two extremist views as the only possible thoughts.


I endorse a nation of Israel that holds referendums and creates a democratic constitution/

I endorse an end to the occupation.

If this leaves one state or two becomes secondary.

Please tell me where my thoughts are extremist in you opinion. ll im doing is saying the time game is a silly argument and that Obama staing what was said in OP is an excercise in futility because the Arab States have refused to recognize Israel since the 1947 UN partition plan. Immediately after Israel was declared a state they were attacked. At this time Israel had 600k citizens and lost 6000 people a full 1% of its population defending there newly found state.

By you saying you support an end to the ocupation is an extremist viewpoint IMO. The Arab nations refer to the occupation is the state of Israel itself.
 Quoting: Focal Point


You are wrong. The Saudi proposal includes recognition of Israel by all Arab states. Israel refused.

The Arabs have offered peace from the beginning of the 1967 occupation. Israel does not like the terms because they want all the land from the great river of Egypt to the Euphrates under Talmud law.


When I say the word 'occupation' I am referring to the currently occupied territories of the West Bank, Gaza, Golan and Shebba Farms.
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