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Debunking the Disclosure Project

 
Lightman
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Debunking the Disclosure Project
I am interested in any info people can provide in debunking Dr. Steven Greer's Disclosure Project. Views in support of the the Disclosure Project are also welcome, but I'm pretty familiar with most of those. At this point, I'm convinced it's all real. We're very much in contact with intelligent ETs through black book and secret government operations. There are bases on the moon and over 57 different alien species have been recorded and studied. For those unfamiliar with the Disclosure Project please watch the press conference here:

[link to www.netro.ca]
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11/17/2008 01:36 PM
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its a hoax beacuse it was on tv tomato
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11/17/2008 01:41 PM
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its a hoax beacuse it was on tv tomato
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Okay... could you please elaborate?
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11/17/2008 01:53 PM
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Re: Debunking the Disclosure Project
mr greer is being handled...........knowingly or unknowingly....doesn't matter
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Is there anyone out there willing to discuss this? I feel that the weight of the information presented here implies ramifications of such importance, it's nearly incomprehensible. Have we truly been in the dark about all this for over 50 years? And if so, how do you even begin to sort out such a long history of silence, conspiracy, and information?
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mr greer is being handled...........knowingly or unknowingly....doesn't matter
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Could you please elaborate?
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Re: Debunking the Disclosure Project
Nobody bothers to debunk UFOs anymore. Too much mainstream attention in support of the possibilities like History Channel, Discovery Channel, Unsolved Mysteries, etc.

Anybody who goes the swampgas, weather ballon route, looks like a fool.

You wanna bait debunkers, go for the chemtrails or 911 inside job debunkers. No shortage of those fools/shills, yet.

Those guys are easy to bait and you can fuck with their heads even though they are convinced they are fucking with yours. If you research posts by G. House, Duncan Kunz, The Guy, you can see that they are either obsessed or paid, one of the two.
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Handler's eh?

I think "funded" is a more accurate term.
Lightman (OP)
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Re: Debunking the Disclosure Project
Nobody bothers to debunk UFOs anymore. Too much mainstream attention in support of the possibilities like History Channel, Discovery Channel, Unsolved Mysteries, etc.

Anybody who goes the swampgas, weather ballon route, looks like a fool.

You wanna bait debunkers, go for the chemtrails or 911 inside job debunkers. No shortage of those fools/shills, yet.

Those guys are easy to bait and you can fuck with their heads even though they are convinced they are fucking with yours. If you research posts by G. House, Duncan Kunz, The Guy, you can see that they are either obsessed or paid, one of the two.
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I'm not so much interested in arguing with debunkers as I am concerned for the welfare of my own conscience as a member of the human race. The only thing that bothers me about 911 is the fact that it happened right after this press conference.
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11/17/2008 02:46 PM
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911 also happened right after Donald Rumsfeld announced the Pentagon couldn't account for two trillion dollars.

Is ET extorting money from us?
Duncan Kunz

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11/17/2008 02:52 PM
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Re: Debunking the Disclosure Project
I am interested in any info people can provide in debunking Dr. Steven Greer's Disclosure Project. Views in support of the the Disclosure Project are also welcome, but I'm pretty familiar with most of those. At this point, I'm convinced it's all real. We're very much in contact with intelligent ETs through black book and secret government operations. There are bases on the moon and over 57 different alien species have been recorded and studied. For those unfamiliar with the Disclosure Project please watch the press conference here:

[link to www.netro.ca]
 Quoting: Lightman 543052

What's to debunk?

None of these "Disclosure" people have come up with any of your Heinz 57 varieties of spaceship guys, have they?

And none of these "Disclosure" people have provided the press with any magical materials or alloys or anything like that, right?

So it seems like it's up to your "Disclosure" people to actually do something besides tell us stories with no evidence.

I personally don't think that the Earth has been visited by the Little Purple Spacehsip Guys from Arcturus or anywhere else; because the rationale for such visits don't make any sense and there's no hard evidence for it. I love the idea of humanity meeting other intelligent species, but I'm not going to buy into it just because it's a nice thing -- I want to see real evidence of such visits, and so far, none of theos "Disclosure" weenies have come up with jack-shit.
Where's the EVIDENCE, Jim?
Duncan Kunz

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Re: Debunking the Disclosure Project
I am interested in any info people can provide in debunking Dr. Steven Greer's Disclosure Project. Views in support of the the Disclosure Project are also welcome, but I'm pretty familiar with most of those. At this point, I'm convinced it's all real. We're very much in contact with intelligent ETs through black book and secret government operations. There are bases on the moon and over 57 different alien species have been recorded and studied. For those unfamiliar with the Disclosure Project please watch the press conference here:

[link to www.netro.ca]
 Quoting: Lightman 543052

What's to debunk?

None of these "Disclosure" people have come up with any of your Heinz 57 varieties of spaceship guys, have they?

And none of these "Disclosure" people have provided the press with any magical materials or alloys or anything like that, right?

So it seems like it's up to your "Disclosure" people to actually do something besides tell us stories with no evidence.

I personally don't think that the Earth has been visited by the Little Purple Spacehsip Guys from Arcturus or anywhere else; because the rationale for such visits don't make any sense and there's no hard evidence for it. I love the idea of humanity meeting other intelligent species, but I'm not going to buy into it just because it's a nice thing -- I want to see real evidence of such visits, and so far, none of theos "Disclosure" weenies have come up with jack-shit.
Where's the EVIDENCE, Jim?
Lightman (OP)
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11/17/2008 02:56 PM
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But the one guy at the end makes a really good point. Of the thousands of reports and witnesess, all it takes is one to be true, and our world has drastically changed.
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11/17/2008 02:58 PM
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You should read his last book.

very interesting ..
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11/17/2008 03:01 PM
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Duncan, report to IT to have the UFO alarm turned off in your software.
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11/17/2008 03:05 PM
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Nope, this one wouldn't be any fun to debunk. Part of me wants it to be true. I'll just leave it alone and see what happens, thanks.
It's good to be open-minded, just don't let your brain fall out.
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11/17/2008 03:06 PM
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Re: Debunking the Disclosure Project
Greer lost any credibility he may have had when he posted a picture of a moth, and called it a "light being".

Total joke.

He's completely full of shit, and watch how the woo-sheep flock.

sheep

Makes me wonder what may be possible with a little ingenuity.
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11/17/2008 03:12 PM
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All we need now is G. House.

"trying...to...resist...bait..."
The Guy

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All we need now is G. House.

"trying...to...resist...bait..."
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lol
It's good to be open-minded, just don't let your brain fall out.
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Re: Debunking the Disclosure Project
I 'm to agree with Duncan. I'm very interested in the ufo phenomena for many years now, but I havent come to a possitive conclusion that we are visited by aliens.
Most of the photographs I have seen and the testimonies I've read could be physical phenomena, misunderstandings or advanced human crafts in test.
Also, all these people who come to public to talk with a certainity: they created us, they co-operate with US for some years, they are talking to me/coming tomorrow at 6.15pm etc I believe degrade the small amount of cases which could be the real thing and discourage the serious researchers.
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Is there anyone out there willing to discuss this? I feel that the weight of the information presented here implies ramifications of such importance, it's nearly incomprehensible. Have we truly been in the dark about all this for over 50 years? And if so, how do you even begin to sort out such a long history of silence, conspiracy, and information?
 Quoting: Lightman 543052



Hey.
You will hardly get any real discussion in this forum Im afraid, most here are to blasé..

I might not be of much help, depending on what it is really you feel you need clarefied? :)

But YES, alot has 'been hidden', of huge proportions,
and YES it is able to do.

How to begin to sort out... now THAT is an interesting question.

How about AMNESTY for DISCLOSURE...

I do know there is alot of things that will have to be 'healed' when it comes to deep wounds in our his-story.

Focus and priority HAS to be on our mutual future though. Humankind has reached a level in their evolution when this is both possible AND necessary.

Man has always feared... and felt a need to control through manipulations. Alot of mistakes has been done, but - perhaps everything happens for a reason - which is also focus in to EXPLAIN.

Im here if you want to discuss different possibilities, get feedback on psychology and strategic (dis)-information.

BUT, Noone can give you THE WHOLE TRUTH... it is always angled, and therefore necessary to see from a mulitiple point of view... few are capable of accepting that, they seek and desire a 'static' so called truth, and easy fast neat little packages, labelled 'the truth'; with a red little ribbon with a government seal on it.

*smile* First, ask yourself WHO the Government really is/was...

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"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."
- George Orwell

Evidence of How Israel was Provoking to Start the 6-Day War (videos they pulled after I posted this UN-testimony)

Part 1
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Part 2
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"IT IS THE ABSOLUTE RESPONSIBILITY OF EVERYBODY IN UNIFORM TO DISOBEY AN ORDER THAT IS EITHER ILLEGAL OR IMMORAL"
- General Peter Pace, chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff addressing the National Press Club, Feb 17/06
"Command Override"
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Average minds discuss events;
Small minds discuss people.

-Eleanor Roosevelt
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I 'm to agree with Duncan. I'm very interested in the ufo phenomena for many years now, but I havent come to a possitive conclusion that we are visited by aliens.
Most of the photographs I have seen and the testimonies I've read could be physical phenomena, misunderstandings or advanced human crafts in test.
Also, all these people who come to public to talk with a certainity: they created us, they co-operate with US for some years, they are talking to me/coming tomorrow at 6.15pm etc I believe degrade the small amount of cases which could be the real thing and discourage the serious researchers.
 Quoting: Ostria



I can 'reassure' you 'they'/it are REAL

;)

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"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."
- George Orwell

Evidence of How Israel was Provoking to Start the 6-Day War (videos they pulled after I posted this UN-testimony)

Part 1
[link to www.youtube.com]
Part 2
[link to www.youtube.com]

"IT IS THE ABSOLUTE RESPONSIBILITY OF EVERYBODY IN UNIFORM TO DISOBEY AN ORDER THAT IS EITHER ILLEGAL OR IMMORAL"
- General Peter Pace, chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff addressing the National Press Club, Feb 17/06
"Command Override"
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Great minds discuss ideas;
Average minds discuss events;
Small minds discuss people.

-Eleanor Roosevelt
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Re: Debunking the Disclosure Project
All of the UFO's can and probably are specimens of our, or some Government.

Thoughts, words can be put into a person's mind. I believe he is being honest in what he thinks he knows, but in this day, one cannot know the truth about anything that we see and hear.
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There was pretty good evidence surrounding the flight JAL 1628 incident presented by John Callahan former FAA Head of Accidents and Investigations.

About the only thing negative a reasonable person could say about the Disclosure Project's press club presentation is that it was likely contaminated by some amount of disinformation and delusional material.
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I can 'reassure' you 'they'/it are REAL

;)

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I hope so! I dont believe we are alone, anyway.

hf
Lightman (OP)
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Re: Debunking the Disclosure Project
Well, I guess we just sit here and wait. Interesting that "Day the Earth Stood Still" is being remade- the film that many theorize was an experiment on public reaction. We needed something to counter the famous Orson Wells broadcast of "War of the Worlds" which obviously set an awful example of general public reaction- not surprising considering the frightening and catastrophic nature of that story.

We need to put more effort into education and information controlled from the top of the source. If this stuff is true, we have a number of people here on Earth who have reverse engineered their technology, learned about their cultures, their intentions, and god knows what else. I think it's great that astronauts are finally speaking up about the alien phenomenon too. What more credibility can you ask for?

In regards to proof, it's not easy to come by quality footage of UFOs because how can you truly be prepared to skillfully shoot something that suddenly appears moving high up in the sky at a ridiculous speed? Beyond that, most consumer grade cameras aren't going to give a quality image. It's not like these people have tripods. However, there still is an amazing amount of videos that do exist, and many people have been fortunate enough to capture some incredible images.

Also, aren't there pieces of the Roswell crash that have surfaced at this point?
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It's amazing that people could watch the press club video and not demand some kind of resolution to this issue. Why are people so complacent?
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I've wondered too. When I first saw that press club meeting, I was awed, and inspired, and thought wow! this could be huge! But then a year, and another year, and another year passed... And they barely update their site with anything, and I haven't heard anything from them...

So I don't know if it was just a money-making scheme and now they've given up, or they were bought out or something -- I wouldn't think so after his partner died.

Who knows? Time will tell I suppose.

Either way, for some reason I'm excited about the Day the Earth Stood Still also. I'll probably be disappointed, but I liked the original, and I think if it is done right, it could have a lot to say about today's world, since it is so different from the world of the original film.

Again, I'll probably be disappointed.
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Yea, the new "Day the Earth Stood Still" might be a catastrophe of a film, but if the original had political ties with an agenda, maybe this one does too.

When I discovered Greer's new age spiritual interests, I was a little thrown at first, but it does make sense that someone who puts so much energy into "disclosure" of the ET phenomenon would condone a progressive / new age religion or philosophy.

I guess we all have to be thinking pretty progressively to imagine a world of total disclosure and truth about the existence of other intelligent beings that come and go from our planet. If that means finding more meaning in the design of a butterfly or burning your Qur'ans and Bibles, so be it.

We need to be fully prepared for total and complete culture shock. I don't think it means we have to stop living our lives the way we want to. If anything, it'll provide huge advancements in our technology if we are lucky enough to form positive and friendly relationships with our cosmic brothers. Technologies that eliminate our dependency on oil? Are you kidding? Moving from point A to B in milliseconds with anti-gravity beams? Sign me the fuck up. Disclose this shit so we can move forward as a race. Come on Obama, be the force of progress you sold me on.

Carter may have been denied access to all this information, but that was a long time ago. Considering what the internet has made possible with the flow of information, I think it's proven that we are more mature then the elite may think. If a black man can become president of the United States, an alien can land in Washington without causing some falsely assumed panic. I think the majority of people would simply ask "what's going on?", and be prepared to listen, which is a good healthy response.
Duncan Kunz

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But the one guy at the end makes a really good point. Of the thousands of reports and witnesess, all it takes is one to be true, and our world has drastically changed.
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You're absolutely correct. If there is hard evidence for even one of those assertions, it changes everything.

But so far -- at least as far as I know -- there's no hard evidence for even one of those assertions.
Where's the EVIDENCE, Jim?
Duncan Kunz

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I can 'reassure' you 'they'/it are REAL
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I would certainly be re-assured if you have any hard evidence to share.
Where's the EVIDENCE, Jim?





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