Transgender Day of Remembrance

Hi sis!

had a chance to read up yet?

Yepper, you missed my earlier post i think but it's ok I took the plunge and signed up for 4 months.

We are holding a vigil at SMU tonight if you have any friends in my neck of the woods you want to pass it on to.

Hugs,

Maeve

SMU?

Southern Methodist University in Dallas

I know a lot of girls in Houston ... I use to live there

Dude, anyone can be fired for anything or nothing. (Unless its civil service, those jobs are pretty secure)

They dont need an excuse. You just go in to work one day, and they tell you they dont need you anymore. Thats it. Over. Straight people, male and female, get fired everyday. Thats how the world is.

Should you have special employment privileges because you are a man dressed like a woman? If you want equality, than accept that people, other than you, get fired without any explanation.

I dont think you want "equality". You want "specialness".

4 legs good, 2 legs better. Animal Farm.

You don't get it ... the Trans Person doesn't have to "dress" at work to be fired.

And you can't fire anyone just for being black.
Winn-Dixie Admits Firing Man for Cross-Dressing Off-Duty; ACLU Asks Federal Court To Rule Without Holding Trial (1/23/2002)

NEW ORLEANS - Southern grocery giant Winn-Dixie plainly concedes that its sole reason for firing an employee of two decades was that off-duty he sometimes cross-dressed as a woman, the American Civil Liberties Union told a federal judge today in papers seeking a ruling without a trial in its sex discrimination lawsuit against the company.

""We don't need a trial, because there's no disagreement over what happened. The only disagreement is whether it's legal to fire someone for this,"" said Ken Choe, the ACLU Lesbian & Gay Rights staff attorney handling the case.

Peter Oiler was fired on January 5, 2000, after his supervisors and company executives learned that he occasionally cross-dresses as a woman away from work. Oiler and his wife, Shirley, who will celebrate their 25th wedding anniversary on February 4, lost their health insurance and nearly lost their home. In October 2000, the ACLU filed a federal lawsuit on Oiler's behalf, claiming that Winn-Dixie engaged in sex stereotyping in violation of state and federal laws that bar sex discrimination.

Choe said that over the last few months the ACLU has deposed the men who fired Oiler and has determined that there is no dispute that would require a trial. ""They are very clear that he wasn't fired for job performance -- in fact he received numerous raises and promotions,"" Choe said.

Today's Motion for Summary Judgment cites Winn-Dixie Louisiana President Michael Istre's sworn deposition saying that he made the decision to fire Oiler and that the sole reason was that Oiler didn't conform to the company's stereotyped notions of how a man should look, dress and act.

An excerpt of that deposition, taken December 11:

Q: Please tell me why Mr. Oiler was terminated.
A: I was concerned about my business and what kind of impact and effect that this - this type of behavior would have on my business and my customer base that if my customers saw him that we have got - and that's pretty much it. Why - the reason why was because of my business, what kind of effect it would have on my customer base.

Q: Was there any other reason why you terminated Mr. Oiler?
A: No.

The ACLU cited a sworn deposition from Oiler's supervisor, Gregory Miles, who said Oiler was fired because members of the public who saw Oiler cross-dressed away from work would somehow ""put two and two together"" and associate him with Winn-Dixie. This, he speculated, could cause people to think Winn-Dixie approved of Oiler's personal life, and might lead people to buy groceries elsewhere.

Winn-Dixie will have until February 22 to reply to today's motion. A hearing is set for April 10 in U.S. District Court for the Eastern District of Louisiana. The case is Peter Oiler v. Winn-Dixie Louisiana, Civil Action No. 00-3114 (Sect. L, Mag. 3).

IMPORTANT NOTE ON TERMINOLOGY AND USAGE
Peter Oiler is a cross-dresser who considers himself transgendered, and should be identified as such. As such, ""transvestite"" or ""drag queen"" or ""female impersonator"" are not appropriate terms for this situation. Additionally, ""transsexual"" is inaccurate, as Oiler does not intend to physically transition from one sex to another. Male pronouns are appropriate in referring to Oiler.

MORE ON WINN-DIXIE STORES
With more than 1,100 stores in 14 southeastern states, Winn-Dixie is one of the largest grocery retailers in the nation. The company ranks in the top third of the Fortune 500. It has about 130,000 employees, about 1,400 of whom are truck drivers like Peter Oiler was. The company has been publicly traded for 50 years, under its symbol, ""WIN,"" on the New York Stock Exchange. More on Winn-Dixie is at [link to www.winn-dixie.com]

You dont get it. They dont need a reason to fire you. You are employed at their discretion.

Being black or dressing as a woman doesnt protect you from getting fired, just like the average Joe isnt protected from being fired because he or she is an Average Joe/Josephine.

You dont have a right not to be fired. As much as I wish it was otherwise.

You/I can be fired if the boss had a bad day.
Just the way it is.

Dressing in a special way does not protect you, or give you access to permanent employment.

At the end of the day, you can be canned, just like the rest of us. You are equal, but not special.

Not every state is a so called "Right to Work" state

In any state, you can be fired for anything or nothing.

"Right to work State" is just an anti-union thing.

I know there are at least four Transsexuals on GLP ... do the math kids ... there are way more of us out there then ya'll know!

My Friend Diane

So? Nobody really cares. It seems you are just looking to stir things up.

Try to be comfortable in your own skin. Dont be a child throwing a tantrum.

There is no need to advertise your sexuality. We all have that side to us, no need to advertise it.

I dont have a need to constantly post that I am attracted to women. Grow up, and live and let live.

There are also a lot of neocons, that doesn't mean a lot...heh. Just playing devil's advocate!!

Yeah no doubt.

I've definitely attained the knowledge I came here for, the accumulation is starting to slow down now that i'm near my mid twenties, still have lots of experiences to go through probably so im still stuck.



I'm definitely on my path, there isn't much I can do to change my path, as my thoughts are always redundant and reminding me of my macro purpose & micro purpose for being here. I think any deviation from my path will always be met with disharmony and a subconscious nagging to complete certain tasks, achievement & attainment.

:)

No the point of this thread is to point out there is an underclass of people out there that is being murdered.

Oh the poor neocons ... they should have a telethon for the poor dears

So what would you do if your child told you they were Transgender?

First off I don't think a child would know what Transgender meant, secondly I don't think it's natural, so they would never feel that way unless they were subjected to people
like you. Then, maybe any insecurities or doubts they have about themselves - which most young people have - would then be dismissed because they would say they were "transgender". Of course then they'd want to plunge into a world of regret and judgement by chopping off their genitalia (or getting it put on) and living a life that is a complete lie. Real nice huh?

Since you talk openly about everything ..... I'm curious if you have sex with her with your penis?

One I don't want to and two it's not very functional after being on hormones for so long.

OK make it a teenager.

I knew when I was like four or five as do most transsexuals.

There are many people being murdered on a daily basis. All colors, all belief systems.

None are better than the other. No one should have special status.

Murder is murder, regardless of who the victim is.

I agree and I am just drawing attention to this group of them that many people don't know or understand in the hope they will learn something.

Which way does the bite go?

ummm HUH??

Ah, Nikki, you should know this.

I have no idea what a "bite" is

Come on Nikki. Think.