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God and Evolution Can Co-exist, Scientist Says

 
Anonymous Coward
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11/21/2008 10:54 AM
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the earth looks like it does today because of the flood. completly changed the face of the earth. we can physically see the aftermath of the judgement of God. Could've just struck everyone down, but what 'evidence' would that leave behind to remind us of the consequences of evil ways.
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-How did the flood cause meteor impact sites (the shape of them and the high amount of heavy metals at those places)?

-How did the flood cause us to have tree rings going back ~12000 years?

-How did the flood cause the sediments typically identified with heavy volcanic eruptions?
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11/21/2008 05:23 PM
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"do you fundies like your cars, tvs, medicine, satellites, etc? Haven't you noticed how these "scientists that don't know anything" have been pretty damned successful at what they do?"


No these bastard NWO institutional scientist are being held back, not inventing a damn thing in the last 100 years, except what supports their eugenics.


They are the reason we're not driving hydrogen free energy autos and powering our homes. They can't allow freedom, and wealth.
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Yup. There hasn't been any new technology in the last 100 years. No LEDs, no optical disc technology, no plasma displays, no lithium-ion batteries, no GPS, no satellite communications, no cellular network.....and that's just consumer electronics.

Oh. I forgot. TVs are only for watching people back, a la 1984. And the consumer CD-R and DVD-R is so the PowersThatBe can, err, send signals, err, brainwashing frequencies....I give up now.
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Kirk Cameron is going to get very very upset with you guys. Watch out -- cause you don't want to get Kirk Cameron mad. We might never see that much anticipated Growing Pains reunion!
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When creatures die they decay and are scavenged. The only way to get a fossil without decay is with flood sediment/volcanic ect, and in the case of delicate structure creatures (jellyfish) rapid flood sediment deposition that have captured every minute detail. These fossils are found globally at geolayers claimed to all be the same age (cambrian). The only way to arrive at our fossil record is a global flood.
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Do you even think about what you are saying?

Ever been in badlands country around a flash flood? Ever seen pictures from a tsunami? Now imagine that due to torrential rains, the entire world is going to be covered in several MILES of water (enough to cover the mountains of the time).

This is no soft spring rains. Jellyfish my ass. Stick an omelet out in your garden for the next rainfall we have, and tell me that its soft structure is maintained. No; even a moderate rainfall will disintegrate it, render it down to a stringy goo.

And we are not talking soft spring rains. We are talking pounding, torrential downfall that doesn't stop. The kind that makes water run ten feet deep in the gutters. That makes rivers overflow their banks, rip full-grown trees out by the roots and dash them against bridges, battering them down.

And that's still not the scale of this event. This goes on for forty days, with the water building in natural basins (like California's Central Valley, say) until it overflows and joins the greater oceans. Trillions of tons of water forcing its way through narrow gaps in the topology. The contents of small seas cascading out over flat lands, accelerating down hills and into valleys.

Much of the ground would be stripped bare, churned in the violence. Again, look at the aftermath of a "mere" flash flood or a river overflowing its banks. And expand those events 1,000-fold. Brown water filled with rocks and broken bits of trees, thrashing into whirlpools of white water, cascading over cliffs and churning right down to the bottom of the ocean.

Any poor dead animal would be torn asunder, the bones shattered, the remains pulverized. It would not be laid gently on the bottom of the ocean and softly covered over with a blanket of silt. Say it started in the mountains of Peru. The poor wee bairn would be smashed and rocked in white water across country, up and down mountain ranges, across 200 kilometers over a period of several weeks, before being dashed into an ocean that is filling up like a mop bucket held under a hose. As the water slowly stilled, the sad remains would be pelted by all the other debris carried by that flood.

Remember; this "gentle" water you think is carefully packing away fossils by epoch like a maiden aunt folding clothes into a trunk, is also Carving The Grand Canyon, and doing all the other tasks most scientists have reserved a few million years of Glaciers to carry out.



Sadly, this is not even the most fairy-tale aspect of the sad nonsense that makes up "Flood Geology."
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Just for a laugh, let me see if I can parameterize this a bit.

Sargarmatha stretches 8,848 meters above sea level. Assume the pre-deluvian world had shorter mountains (this is a common assumption made by Flood Geologists so it is best to include it for safety. However, Scripture clearly does not describe a billiard-flat terrain -- also, we need some standard for the depth of the flood waters. We can assume that Noah and his sons could not just wade through them, dragging the Ark behind them like Bogart dragging the African Queen. So assuming that the flood just barely covers the mountains of the time is a good starting point.)

Thus, let's aim for 1/4 or somewhat over 2 km of water.

Already we are out of the ballpark for ordinary meteorology. 2,000 meters/40 24-hour cycles/2 day-night periods = 25 meters, which translates as 984 inches per night. In most places of the world, 2 inches in a night's downfall is notable.

So let's pull this down further. That's 82 inches per hour, or 1.4 inches a minute, or .023 inches a second. We're finally getting into reasonable-looking numbers, at least!

As a comparison, Seattle gets an average of 47 inches of rain in a year. The most heavy rainfall ever recorded was at Cherrapunji, situated on the southern slopes of the Eastern Himalaya in Shillong, India; in 1861 they recorded 905 inches (over the entire year). So that's not bad; we just need the rain that fell in a year over Cherrapunji to fall 80 times in a row. All over the world, of course.

But let's go back towards the Biblical time-scale. We don't have a year to play in, but merely 1/9 of one.

The rough rain scale; Light Rain, Moderate Rain, etc. tops off at Extreme Rain, which is a mere 1.95 inches an hour. We are 80x that amount already, taking us completely out of the ballpark for the SPEED at which the water is delivered.

At least for rain.

Let's see. If onto each square inch .023 inches of rain falls, onto a square foot 3.31 inches falls, a cubic foot thus contains 3.31 cubic inches; a mere .002 cubic feet per second.

According to results of a quick search, average flow rates for a shower head is 2.2 gpm. .002 x 448 (conversion between units) = 0.896 So The Flood is striking with a force lower than that of a standard shower head. But, recall, very few people shower at one inch below the show head (which is where this number works out.) Since the shower spray expands from a nozzle less than 10 cm in diameter, to a pattern at least half a meter in diameter (to cover you, under it), the difference in flow between at the head and where you stand covered in shampoo is about 25x.

Given the various errors, assumptions, and conversion factors here, it is enough to say that The Flood would have felt like a domestic shower turned full on....over every spot on Earth, and lasting for forty days (and forty nights).

One hopes that Noah's sons knew how to bail.