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"Can we consider JESUS a plagiarist?" Yes, yes of course we can. JESUS used the term "Son Of Man" found in the Book Of Enoch.

 
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"Can we consider JESUS a plagiarist?" Yes, yes of course we can. JESUS used the term "Son Of Man" found in the Book Of Enoch.
Jesus wasn't born when the Book Of Enoch was written, fragments of the "dead sea scrolls" confirms this. Jesus used the term "Son Of Man" and did not acknowledge the Author of that "term" (Enoch) making Jesus a plagiarist, a liar.

[link to www.bib-arch.org]


The oldest of all dead sea scrolls belong to Enoch, those of the Old Testament date from 150 BCE to 70 CE. The One who wrote the story first is the Author of that story, every other book written containing beliefs, characters and the story line found in the Book of Enoch are forgeries.


Call it fate.
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Enochian beliefs:


- second coming

- rapture

- son of man

- resurrection

- hell

- everlasting life



Enochian characters:


- Satan

- Azazel

- last 12 shepherds

- Noah

- Son Of Man

- GOD
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Re: "Can we consider JESUS a plagiarist?" Yes, yes of course we can. JESUS used the term "Son Of Man" found in the Book Of Enoch.
Jesus wasn't born when the Book Of Enoch was written, fragments of the "dead sea scrolls" confirms this. Jesus used the term "Son Of Man" and did not acknowledge the Author of that "term" (Enoch) making Jesus a plagiarist, a liar.

[link to www.bib-arch.org]


The oldest of all dead sea scrolls belong to Enoch, those of the Old Testament date from 150 BCE to 70 CE. The One who wrote the story first is the Author of that story, every other book written containing beliefs, characters and the story line found in the Book of Enoch are forgeries.


Call it fate.
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
[link to www.naturalsciences.org]



Enochian beliefs:


- second coming

- rapture

- son of man

- resurrection

- hell

- everlasting life



Enochian characters:


- Satan

- Azazel

- last 12 shepherds

- Noah

- Son Of Man

- GOD
 Quoting: Charles Fort 557404

Ummmmmmm....being that jesus didn't write anything himself in the bible would make your argument kinda....well....stupid.
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Re: "Can we consider JESUS a plagiarist?" Yes, yes of course we can. JESUS used the term "Son Of Man" found in the Book Of Enoch.
what is your point? jesus was quoting the book of enoch

and he never wrote any books as he condemned the satanic scribes of the pharisees
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Re: "Can we consider JESUS a plagiarist?" Yes, yes of course we can. JESUS used the term "Son Of Man" found in the Book Of Enoch.
The book of Daniel tells of a coming Messiah.
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Re: "Can we consider JESUS a plagiarist?" Yes, yes of course we can. JESUS used the term "Son Of Man" found in the Book Of Enoch.
Ummmmmmm....being that jesus didn't write anything himself in the bible would make your argument kinda....well....stupid.
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Its a good thing your idiot this way I won't....well.... be offended. Jesus didn't have to write anything down to be a purloin.


Plagiarist
Pla"gia*rist, n. One who plagiarizes; or purloins the words, writings, or ideas of another, and passes them off as his own; a literary thief; a plagiary.

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Re: "Can we consider JESUS a plagiarist?" Yes, yes of course we can. JESUS used the term "Son Of Man" found in the Book Of Enoch.
Did Jesus write books....



HELL NO...
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Re: "Can we consider JESUS a plagiarist?" Yes, yes of course we can. JESUS used the term "Son Of Man" found in the Book Of Enoch.
The book of Daniel tells of a coming Messiah.
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Dead sea scrolls of the book of Daniel date from the late 2nd century only.
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Sorry, but those of Enoch are the oldest, the One who wrote the story first can prove it TOO by these amazing archaeological findings.
[link to www.bib-arch.org]


I know, its hard to accept the True GOD, pagan worship and devils are more fun, but GOD has had enough, now you too know the truth about GOD and what Book to find out more.
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Re: "Can we consider JESUS a plagiarist?" Yes, yes of course we can. JESUS used the term "Son Of Man" found in the Book Of Enoch.
When Alexander invaded India around 200BC he found the Krishna religion. Identicle to the Christian story with a few details different as one would expect. (Krishna was nailed to a tree, the Romans used crucifiction as a normal death penalty, so the hated to venerated cross is included in our version) The story is repeated again and again, The Book of Enoch being one example. One of MANY. Some stories go back to the Sumerians, as taught to the Jews while they were in Babylon, that's the version they carried. They got the monotheism idea from the Egyptians when there were there. (Last records of active Jewish polytheism date to 800AD)
Obviously, the Jesus story is a composit of many stories. It was an attempt by Rome to create a religion that would unite the empire under one metaphor. After Rome fell, it was a mental contageon that spread until the barbarian tribes fell; Rome's vengence at last.
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Re: "Can we consider JESUS a plagiarist?" Yes, yes of course we can. JESUS used the term "Son Of Man" found in the Book Of Enoch.
Did Jesus write books....



HELL NO...
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A "plagiarist" doesn't have to write it down, just using someone elses ideas and passing them off as their own fits the definition according to the rest of World.

Go on, live in your own little world of denial....



Plagiarist
Pla"gia*rist, n. One who plagiarizes; or purloins the words, writings, or ideas of another, and passes them off as his own; a literary thief; a plagiary.


[link to dictionary.reference.com]
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Re: "Can we consider JESUS a plagiarist?" Yes, yes of course we can. JESUS used the term "Son Of Man" found in the Book Of Enoch.
When Alexander invaded India around 200BC he found the Krishna religion. Identicle to the Christian story with a few details different as one would expect. (Krishna was nailed to a tree, the Romans used crucifiction as a normal death penalty, so the hated to venerated cross is included in our version)
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Yes. Like HORUS when the first chosen people were enslaved. HORUS came back many times afterwards to enslave more people, came back as Dionysus, Krishna and the last and final time this Egyptian God/King will reign as JESUS. That is why America is a christian nation with a beautiful pyramid on their currency with the motto " In God We Trust" but witch God?

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The story is repeated again and again, The Book of Enoch being one example. One of MANY.

Sorry friend, not the Book of Enoch. There is no-one who gets nailed to a cross in the Book, no-one resurrects after 3 days, nothing like the JESUS-HORUS-DIONYSUS-KRISHNA birth/death story.


Book of Enoch was the first written Book, it is also the covenant that protected Noah. The first of the chosen people prayed to GOD by reading the covenant and were freed from Pharaoh in the days of Moses. Those reading and worshiping the "covenant" will be the ONLY ones to be part of the Rapture.
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Re: "Can we consider JESUS a plagiarist?" Yes, yes of course we can. JESUS used the term "Son Of Man" found in the Book Of Enoch.
The beings highly evolved spiritually drink from the same UNIVERSAL SOURCE(FOUNTAIN).
Jesus re-lived part of the educations of another being; Enoch "The Christ"
Thread: Enoch Speaks-Spirituality and the Rapture
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Re: "Can we consider JESUS a plagiarist?" Yes, yes of course we can. JESUS used the term "Son Of Man" found in the Book Of Enoch.
Sorry friend, not the Book of Enoch.

Those reading and worshiping the "covenant" will be the ONLY ones to be part of the Rapture.
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Sorry, that is one I haven't read myself, but it sounds cool. "Enoch" is a cool sounding name. Then there is "Enochian," which sounds cool too. I think it's the throaty "ch" sound. Very olde world. Big fun.

But "Rapture?"
So you are still reacting to this fantasy? There are stories that predate the Egyptian ones and without known cultural contact. The stories are archetypical. Anybody who says, even by quotation, "these will be saved, these won't" is probably a would-be priest and psychic thief. Most certainly in thrall to gross self deception.

I prefer Taoism: "those who know do not speak. Those who speak, do not know."
That fits human psychology to the T.
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Re: "Can we consider JESUS a plagiarist?" Yes, yes of course we can. JESUS used the term "Son Of Man" found in the Book Of Enoch.
The beings highly evolved spiritually drink from the same UNIVERSAL SOURCE(FOUNTAIN).
Jesus re-lived part of the educations of another being; Enoch "The Christ"
Thread: Enoch Speaks-Spirituality and the Rapture
 Quoting: Agustín 558190

Friend, we must reason with logic, or its just not worth the effort. Jesus could have educated with the Book of Enoch and given credit to Him, but chose to conceal this. Jesus also chose to call himself the Son of Man the Messiah, which as you know this is a LIE. The reason why its a lie is because Jesus is HORUS.

When the first chosen people were enslaved, it was HORUS who these sleeping sheep were deceived by, HORUS came back many times afterwards to enslave more people, came as Dionysus, Krishna and finally this Egyptian God/King chose the name of Jesus to reign over the dormant brains of the chosen people.

Why does America a christian nation have a beautiful pyramid on their currency with the motto " In God We Trust?" Because HORUS likes Pyramids and couldn't stand the name Immanuel.

[link to www.religioustolerance.org]


Book of Enoch is the covenant that protected Noah's Ark. The first of the chosen people prayed to GOD by reading the covenant and were freed from Pharaoh in the days of Moses. Those reading and worshiping the "covenant" will be the ONLY ones to be part of the Rapture.
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Re: "Can we consider JESUS a plagiarist?" Yes, yes of course we can. JESUS used the term "Son Of Man" found in the Book Of Enoch.
Oh, I forgot, I believe the designation for the first written book (as far as we know, which isn't much) was the epic of Gilgamesh. (Aspects preserved but altered in the old testanment)(part of the Babalonian story co-opted)
Or did you mean, the first book written on paper and published by Penguin?
I have an archeology dig going on in the stacks of a ancient mystical kingdom known as "Borders Books". I'll see if I can dig up something fer ya.
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Re: "Can we consider JESUS a plagiarist?" Yes, yes of course we can. JESUS used the term "Son Of Man" found in the Book Of Enoch.
Sorry, that is one I haven't read myself, but it sounds cool. "Enoch" is a cool sounding name. Then there is "Enochian," which sounds cool too. I think it's the throaty "ch" sound. Very olde world. Big fun.
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Yes it is a cool name that of Enoch, and during the Great Economic Calamity facing the World it will be a treat to call yourself Enochian as you read the "covenant" GOD made with Mankind that those who possess the LORD'S contract will be protected and "taken" to a safe Haven.

But "Rapture?"
So you are still reacting to this fantasy? There are stories that predate the Egyptian ones and without known cultural contact. The stories are archetypical. Anybody who says, even by quotation, "these will be saved, these won't" is probably a would-be priest and psychic thief. Most certainly in thrall to gross self deception.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 553712

Book of Enoch was written when creation took its first baby steps outside of Eden. This Book survived the Flood well before the people of Egypt existed. All religions and beliefs spawned from the "covenant" of GOD

The LORD would have written HIS word at the very beginning, not at some time in between leaving thousands of generations outside the Father of Creation's grace, those believing that are illogical, or, from the descendants of Cain. "You know Cain was also a Liar besides being a murder?"
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Re: "Can we consider JESUS a plagiarist?" Yes, yes of course we can. JESUS used the term "Son Of Man" found in the Book Of Enoch.
first written book (as far as we know, which isn't much) was the epic of Gilgamesh. (Aspects preserved but altered in the old testanment)(part of the Babalonian story co-opted)
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Book of the Giants. Taken from the Book of Enoch or written by Enoch himself, I can't say this with certainty, though Enoch wrote 366 Books and we only have 2.

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Or did you mean, the first book written on paper and published by Penguin?
I have an archeology dig going on in the stacks of a ancient mystical kingdom known as "Borders Books". I'll see if I can dig up something fer ya.
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Your a funny guy, but seriously did you think man created paper? Did you think that GOD doesn't have this knowledge, and it was HIS very angels who passed down this understanding to Enoch and Noah? Also, how do you believe Noah built his Ark? With what tools and what understanding of shipbuilding were there during the first days of creation?

The Angels built the Ark, Noah helped, learned, and kept the tools for the great journey ahead, to build more structures for Himself and his lot (family). GOD counters everything the devils throw at Man, learn your enemy, and GOD will help you defeat him.
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Re: "Can we consider JESUS a plagiarist?" Yes, yes of course we can. JESUS used the term "Son Of Man" found in the Book Of Enoch.
Or did you mean, the first book written on paper and published by Penguin?
I have an archeology dig going on in the stacks of a ancient mystical kingdom known as "Borders Books". I'll see if I can dig up something fer ya.
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Your a funny guy, but seriously did you think man created paper? Did you think that GOD doesn't have this knowledge? It was HIS very angels who passed down this understanding to Enoch and Noah.

Also, how do you believe Noah built his Ark? With what tools and what understanding of shipbuilding were there during the first days of creation?

The Angels built the Ark, Noah helped, learned, and kept the tools for the great journey ahead, to build more structures for Himself and his lot (family). GOD counters everything the devils throw at Man, learn your enemy, and GOD will help you defeat
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Re: "Can we consider JESUS a plagiarist?" Yes, yes of course we can. JESUS used the term "Son Of Man" found in the Book Of Enoch.
Or did you mean, the first book written on paper and published by Penguin?
I have an archeology dig going on in the stacks of a ancient mystical kingdom known as "Borders Books". I'll see if I can dig up something fer ya.

Your a funny guy, but seriously did you think man created paper? Did you think that GOD doesn't have this knowledge? It was HIS very angels who passed down this understanding to Enoch and Noah.

Also, how do you believe Noah built his Ark? With what tools and what understanding of shipbuilding were there during the first days of creation?

The Angels built the Ark, Noah helped, learned, and kept the tools for the great journey ahead, to build more structures for Himself and his lot (family). GOD counters everything the devils throw at Man, learn your enemy, and GOD will help you defeat
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Ok, I get it now people...

Charles Fort is the PNACgay for on religious issues.

As much as PNACgay makes idiotic and infuriating arguments regarding politics and ignorant support of the Republican party...

so does Charles in his idiocy and ignorant posts about religion.

So we have PNACgay to post moronic political threads and now Charles Fort to start moronic anti Christian threads.

Charles Fort is a fraud and a troll... or at least one amazingly stupid person!
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Ok, I get it now people...

Charles Fort is the PNACgay for on religious issues.

As much as PNACgay makes idiotic and infuriating arguments regarding politics and ignorant support of the Republican party...

so does Charles in his idiocy and ignorant posts about religion.

So we have PNACgay to post moronic political threads and now Charles Fort to start moronic anti Christian threads.

Charles Fort is a fraud and a troll... or at least one amazingly stupid person!
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You can't handle the Truth. Not only can't you not handle it, but you can't dispute it either, making you and your followers lame ducks. Quack Quack.
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Re: "Can we consider JESUS a plagiarist?" Yes, yes of course we can. JESUS used the term "Son Of Man" found in the Book Of Enoch.
Ok, I get it now people...

Charles Fort is the PNACgay for on religious issues.

As much as PNACgay makes idiotic and infuriating arguments regarding politics and ignorant support of the Republican party...

so does Charles in his idiocy and ignorant posts about religion.

So we have PNACgay to post moronic political threads and now Charles Fort to start moronic anti Christian threads.

Charles Fort is a fraud and a troll... or at least one amazingly stupid person!

You can't handle the Truth. Not only can't you not handle it, but you can't dispute it either, making you and your followers lame ducks. Quack Quack.
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You need to put more effort in... your trolling skills are weak!

You should read some of PNACgay's crap. It will turn your brain to mush, but you might pick up some valuable tips on how to be a better idiotic forum troll.

Charles Fort loser

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Re: "Can we consider JESUS a plagiarist?" Yes, yes of course we can. JESUS used the term "Son Of Man" found in the Book Of Enoch.
Ok, I get it now people...

Charles Fort is the PNACgay for on religious issues.

As much as PNACgay makes idiotic and infuriating arguments regarding politics and ignorant support of the Republican party...

so does Charles in his idiocy and ignorant posts about religion.

So we have PNACgay to post moronic political threads and now Charles Fort to start moronic anti Christian threads.

Charles Fort is a fraud and a troll... or at least one amazingly stupid person!

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You can't handle the Truth. Not only can't you not handle it, but you can't dispute it either, making you and your followers lame ducks. Quack Quack.

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You need to put more effort in... your trolling skills are weak!

You should read some of PNACgay's crap. It will turn your brain to mush, but you might pick up some valuable tips on how to be a better idiotic forum troll.

Charles Fort loser

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LOL.

A troll is someone like you who posts off topic replies on peoples threads.


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Re: "Can we consider JESUS a plagiarist?" Yes, yes of course we can. JESUS used the term "Son Of Man" found in the Book Of Enoch.
Jesus is not a plagiarist. To say so would say that he lies. God is sinless and ALWAYS tells the truth.

My, I have never seen anybody as obsessed with Enoch as you, Mr Fort. We already had one discussion whereupon I showed you why the book of Enoch is not scripture. Now you make a false assumption: that Jesus's life started when he was born. Jesus ALWAYS Lived, since the beginning.,

John 1:
The Deity of Jesus Christ
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2He was in the beginning with God.

3All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing came into being that has come into being. 4In Him was life, and the life was the Light of men. 5The Light shines in the darkness, and the darkness did not comprehend it."

There are many more scriptues that show Jesus was alive, and moreover, good biblical study shows he incarnated and likely was on earth at different times disguised as an angel (in Sarai and Abram's tent, in Sodom, int eh Garden...)

You can hold to your false assumptions and that is perfectly OK, just be prepared to explain to Jesus's face at the Sheep and Goats judgment that He is a plagiarist and thus a Liar. I'm not saying this to be mean, but I am saying it directly, because there is not a lot of time until he comes back.
"From that time Jesus began to preach and say, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." Matthew 4:17
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My, I have never seen anybody as obsessed with Enoch as you, Mr Fort. We already had one discussion whereupon I showed you why the book of Enoch is not scripture. Now you make a false assumption: that Jesus's life started when he was born. Jesus ALWAYS Lived, since the beginning.,

John 1:
The Deity of Jesus Christ
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2He was in the beginning with God.
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The book you're quoting from was written after the Book of Enoch. The oldest of all dead sea scrolls belong to Enoch.

[link to www.bib-arch.org]

Any book written containing beliefs, characters and the story line found in the Book of Enoch are forgeries, "do you not understand this?"


The One who writes the story "first" is the Author of that story!!!!


Your Jesus could have borrowed someone else's story, wait, he did, HORUS the Egyptian God-King, lol, what a fraud artist!!!! "Could christian followers be bigger fishes?" Oh yeah they could, that's what the fish symbol stands for, rotf...

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The first of the chosen people prayed to GOD by reading the covenant and were freed from Pharaoh in the days of Moses.
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Hello again,

Where is this in the Book of Enoch (or anywhere)?

Also, would you site in the BOE where Enoch claims to be the Messiah?

Thank you.
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My, I have never seen anybody as obsessed with Enoch as you, Mr Fort. We already had one discussion whereupon I showed you why the book of Enoch is not scripture. Now you make a false assumption: that Jesus's life started when he was born. Jesus ALWAYS Lived, since the beginning.,

John 1:
The Deity of Jesus Christ
1In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2He was in the beginning with God.
The book you're quoting from was written after the Book of Enoch. The oldest of all dead sea scrolls belong to Enoch.

[link to www.bib-arch.org]

Any book written containing beliefs, characters and the story line found in the Book of Enoch are forgeries, "do you not understand this?"


The One who writes the story "first" is the Author of that story!!!!


Your Jesus could have borrowed someone else's story, wait, he did, HORUS the Egyptian God-King, lol, what a fraud artist!!!! "Could christian followers be bigger fishes?" Oh yeah they could, that's what the fish symbol stands for, rotf...

[link to www.religioustolerance.org]
 Quoting: Charles Fort 558133

sigh. yes. the book of John was written around 50 AD. But the Truth it contains tells us that Jesus always lived. So do many other scriptures. You are looking at trees ans missing the forest:the forest is Jesus who is the savior of all mankind and forgiver of our sins.

The One who wrote the story first is God.He is the author and finisher of our faith.

The book of Enoch is not scriptures, so to benchmark everything else against it is a false premise.
"From that time Jesus began to preach and say, "Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand." Matthew 4:17
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The first of the chosen people prayed to GOD by reading the covenant and were freed from Pharaoh in the days of Moses.

====================

Hello again,

Where is this in the Book of Enoch (or anywhere)?
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Excerpts; of when Moses raptures “the chosen.”

1Enoch.88:[29-40]I beheld the sheep moaning, crying, and petitioning their LORD. With all their might, until the LORD of the Sheep descended at their voice from HIS lofty habitation; went to them; and inspected them. HE called to that sheep (Moses) which had secretly stolen away from the wolves, and told Him to make the wolves understand that they were not to touch the sheep. Then that sheep went to the wolves with the word of the LORD, when another met Him, and proceeded with Him (Aaron). Both of them together entered the dwelling of the wolves; and conversing with them made them understand, that thenceforwards they were not to touch the sheep. Afterwards I perceived the wolves greatly prevailing over the sheep with their whole force. The sheep cried out; and their LORD came to them. HE began to strike the wolves, who commenced a grievous lamentation; but the sheep were silent, nor from that time did they cry out. I then looked at them, until they departed from the wolves. The eyes of the wolves were blind, who went out and followed them with all their might. But the LORD of the Sheep proceeded with them, and conducted them. All HIS sheep followed HIM. HIS countenance was terrific and splendid, and glorious was HIS aspect. Yet the wolves began to follow the sheep, until they overtook them in a certain lake of water. Then that lake became divided; the water standing up on both sides before their face. And while their LORD was conducting them, HE placed Himself between them and the wolves.

The sheep knew their LORD for they held the Book Of Enoch and lamented, the LORD sent Moses to them who understood everything about this Book because He was raised by GOD since childhood. But the compelling evidence that the Ark is in the Hands of the Elites is yet to come, picture yourself as one of those sheep seeing all manner of miracles and splendid power, as we venture deeper into the rabbit hole.

Also, would you site in the BOE where Enoch claims to be the Messiah?

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Read this thread.
Thread: ((MESSIAH)) The True Son Of Man ((SAVIOR))


1Enoch.89:[29]And I saw a throne erected in a delectable land; [30]Upon this sat the LORD of the Sheep, who received all the sealed books; [31]Which were open before him.-- [41]Then those three, who were clothed in white, and who, holding Me by My hand, had before caused Me to ascend, while the hand of Him who spoke held Me; raised me up, and placed Me in the midst of the sheep, before the judgment took place.

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Daniel.7:[9]As I watched, Thrones were set up and the Ancient One took his throne. His clothing was snow bright, and the hair on his head as white as wool; His throne was flames of fire, with wheels of burning fire.-- [13]I was watching in the night visions, and behold, One like the Son Of Man, coming with the clouds of heaven! He came to the Ancient Of Days, and they brought Him near before Him. [14] Then to Him was given dominion and glory and a kingdom, That all peoples, nations, and languages should serve Him. His dominion is an everlasting dominion, Which shall not pass away, And His kingdom the one which shall not be destroyed.

Enoch is the Son Of Man, our Messiah, yesterday, today, tomorrow, and forever, Amen!
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Re: "Can we consider JESUS a plagiarist?" Yes, yes of course we can. JESUS used the term "Son Of Man" found in the Book Of Enoch.
The LORD would have written HIS word at the very beginning, not at some time in between leaving thousands of generations outside the Father of Creation's grace, those believing that are illogical, or, from the descendants of Cain. "You know Cain was also a Liar besides being a murder?"
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With all due respect,

You said to "reason with logic":

"The LORD would have ..."!
According to whom? The LORD or you?

(Well, I would have to say that you must agree that in His power, might, and wisdom, the LORD of glory can do whatever he pleases ...)

Is your quote above true logic or is it your logic?

Also:
1. If God decided to pass the stories down by oral tradition and then codify them at a later time, does this make it illogical?

2. If God caused or allowed the stories to pass down this way, are you saying that God is illogical?

3. And if you say that God is illogical, is it possible that God may appear to be illogical to you (when in actuality, He is not) because His wisdom is so much greater than ours?


With logic,
Spock
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Re: "Can we consider JESUS a plagiarist?" Yes, yes of course we can. JESUS used the term "Son Of Man" found in the Book Of Enoch.


The first of the chosen people prayed to GOD by reading the covenant and were freed from Pharaoh in the days of Moses.

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Hello again,

Where is this in the Book of Enoch (or anywhere)?

Excerpts; of when Moses raptures “the chosen.”

1Enoch.88:[29-40]I beheld the sheep moaning, crying, and petitioning their LORD. With all their might, until the LORD of the Sheep descended at their voice from HIS lofty habitation; went to them; and inspected them. HE called to that sheep (Moses) which had secretly stolen away from the wolves, and told Him to make the wolves understand that they were not to touch the sheep. Then that sheep went to the wolves with the word of the LORD, when another met Him, and proceeded with Him (Aaron). ....


These are not in the original, they are your additions / interpretations.
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Re: "Can we consider JESUS a plagiarist?" Yes, yes of course we can. JESUS used the term "Son Of Man" found in the Book Of Enoch.
sigh. yes. the book of John was written around 50 AD. But the Truth it contains tells us that Jesus always lived. So do many other scriptures. You are looking at trees ans missing the forest:the forest is Jesus who is the savior of all mankind and forgiver of our sins.

The One who wrote the story first is God.He is the author and finisher of our faith.

The book of Enoch is not scriptures, so to benchmark everything else against it is a false premise.
 Quoting: Dread Pirate Roberts

Yawn. Your book was written by mortal men. The Book of Enoch is written by the One who never died, lol. GOD told the Angels to show Enoch the "righteous scribe" everything he needed to see and know so that Noah and the rest of Mankind would know and understand prophecies to come.


The Satanic Vatican had this Book removed so the sheep would be forgetful of wisdom and not understand end times. "If you want to live in denial, so be it!" But the facts remain facts. The Book of Enoch was written before the Old & New testament, it was inspired by GOD because it is the Covenant GOD made with mankind at the beginning of when creation took its first baby steps outside Eden.


There are no inconsistencies in the Book of Enoch. "In the Bible?" Well, GOD didn't approve of the Bible so HE sent a lying spirit to those writing the Bible, so that when the highly logical & educated person such as you, lol, would read the lies they would steer clear away from the Devil's Book.

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