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e=mc^2 is just Pi in disguise

 
idol_harobed

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How about putting together the fundamental constants of the universe in a single and simple equation?

e ^(i * pi) + 1 = 0


Forgive my ignorance, but what is the "i"??

The number i is the imaginary unity, defined as the square root of -1.

Yes!! Ok - I know that value as the "seventh secret of the sphynx".

You have just confirmed it for me! Thank You!

I think the "i" is not imaginary at all....
 Quoting: Shoemaker II

It is called imaginary because you can't count things with it. It only exists in our mental space.
I am what I read.
VVizz

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12/09/2008 08:32 PM
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Re: e=mc^2 is just Pi in disguise
area formula of a circle : a = pr^2
Einstein BS : e = mc^2
 Quoting: Shoemaker II


Much good thoughts in this thread.
But here You compare a constant (c^2) with a variable (r^2).
That's wrong logic.

All the Best,

VVizz of Ur
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12/09/2008 08:37 PM
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It only exists in our mental space.
 Quoting: idol_harobed


Or it exists in a parallel plane of existance.

Take the inverse function of y=x^2
x=sqrt(y).
In R You see half of the function
But it does continue in another (parallel) plane.
You have the same shape, but it is
draw 'broken' in (C Complex plane)
But this is a distortion due to the way
we draw, project, visualize the C plane.
However it is the same shape, mirrored
at the 45 degree angle.

Plane of manifestation (R), versus non-manifestation (C minus R).

From manifestation to non-manifestation
and backwards.

Link it to the combining photon story....

All the Best,

VVizz of Ur
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12/09/2008 08:42 PM
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Re: e=mc^2 is just Pi in disguise
area formula of a circle : a = pr^2
Einstein BS : e = mc^2


Much good thoughts in this thread.
But here You compare a constant (c^2) with a variable (r^2).
That's wrong logic.

All the Best,

VVizz of Ur
 Quoting: VVizz



Good point-

the "constantness" of the speed of light has been the subject of much debate.

Only through a "vote" is the speed of light considered constant, and rational.

I contend it is constant, but IRRATIONAL - like PI - exactly like PI

Oh and the "r^2" vs. "c^2" is just an issue of distribution.
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12/09/2008 08:51 PM
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Re: e=mc^2 is just Pi in disguise
area formula of a circle : a = pr^2
Einstein BS : e = mc^2


Much good thoughts in this thread.
But here You compare a constant (c^2) with a variable (r^2).
That's wrong logic.

All the Best,

VVizz of Ur



Good point-

the "constantness" of the speed of light has been the subject of much debate.

Only through a "vote" is the speed of light considered constant, and rational.

I contend it is constant, but IRRATIONAL - like PI - exactly like PI

Oh and the "r^2" vs. "c^2" is just an issue of distribution.
 Quoting: Shoemaker II


yes sometimes they do vote silly things in mathematics.

As the vote, 0 is even and odd.
or is it a natural number or not, etc.

Much warfare and discussions in science.

All the Best,

VVizz of Ur
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12/09/2008 08:54 PM
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E = mc2, the” m” is variable and the constant “c” is squared, in A = pr2, the “p” is constant, and the variable “r” is squared.

However, because e =mc2 measures things in “terajoules” - nobody realizes that e = mc2 should in fact be e = cm2 to be precise with other forms of measurements.

Einstein used the CGS system of units (centimeters, grams, seconds, dynes, and ergs), but the formula is independent of the system of units.

It should NOT be independent.
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E = mc2, the” m” is variable and the constant “c” is squared, in A = pr2, the “p” is constant, and the variable “r” is squared.

However, because e =mc2 measures things in “terajoules” - nobody realizes that e = mc2 should in fact be e = cm2 to be precise with other forms of measurements.

Einstein used the CGS system of units (centimeters, grams, seconds, dynes, and ergs), but the formula is independent of the system of units.

It should NOT be independent.
 Quoting: Shoemaker II


In the current science on Earth, they should combine
some views in Logic with Physics.

They should make units not fixed in their formula,
but need to change them to variables, so they can
see interoperability between formula.

More, they work in equations.
They should work in ranges.

Earth does have too many science,
but too less Love and Insight.

Write down Your thoughts, keep it for better times.

All the Best,

VVizz of Ur
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12/09/2008 10:03 PM
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If you're such an expert, tell us what an electron is. How does it work? What is it made of?

You don't know do you...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 561931


an electron is a subatomic particle of the elementary lepton family as such "an electron" is made "of electron".

that said it is postulated that virtually all electrons (and positrons) were formed shortly after the big bang from high energy photons

it is also postulated that electrons and positrons naturally form at the even horizon of black holes

it posessess a stationary mass of around 9.1 X10-31 kg or 511MeV (mass equivalent energy).

Although treat as a point charge with no spacial extent, the electron in classical physics is considered to have a radius of 2.82 X 10-15 metres
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12/09/2008 10:16 PM
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Re: e=mc^2 is just Pi in disguise
It is called imaginary because you can't count things with it.
 Quoting: idol_harobed


well, apart from Iraqi WMDs obviously
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12/09/2008 10:41 PM
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Mass and Energy are NOT interchangable. The are CONVERTABLE, and only in one direction! Ever turned fire into a log? Didn't think so.
 Quoting: EMPyre 553210


wrong.

particle accelerators rely on the reversibility of the process to function.
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12/09/2008 10:58 PM
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Re: e=mc^2 is just Pi in disguise
How about putting together the fundamental constants of the universe in a single and simple equation?

e ^(i * pi) + 1 = 0


Forgive my ignorance, but what is the "i"??

The number i is the imaginary unity, defined as the square root of -1.

Yes!! Ok - I know that value as the "seventh secret of the sphynx".

You have just confirmed it for me! Thank You!

I think the "i" is not imaginary at all....

It is called imaginary because you can't count things with it. It only exists in our mental space.
 Quoting: idol_harobed

you are genius!

Here is how I measure the 4th+ dimensions.

a^2 + b^2 = c^2

c^2 = a^2, b^2

a^2 + b^2 + c^2 = d^2

d^2 = a^2, b^2, c^2

a^2 + b^2 + c^2 + d^2 = e^2

The pattern goes on forever but it logically defines a specific variable for the 4th dimensional leg of the box. e^2 being the length of the 4th dimensional leg.

It starts out as a 2d triangle, then the variables are transposed to the cube. Those variables are transposed to a (4d) cube. Visually impossible but mathematically, we can calculate the value of the 4th dimensional leg when we know the length, width and height of a cube.
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Ah Pythagoras at it’s best.

No, you my friend are genius!! I never thought about expanding to d^2!! That makes so much sense.

I think Archimedes summed it all up best with his first two “propositions” about measuring a circle:

Proposition one states:
The area of any circle is equal to a right-angled triangle in which one of the sides about the right angle is equal to the radius, and the other to the circumference, of the circle.
Any circle with a circumference c and a radius r is equal in area with a right triangle with the two legs being c and r. This proposition is proved by the method of exhaustion.

Proposition two states:
The area of a circle is to the square on its diameter as 11 to 14.
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12/10/2008 12:04 AM
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More like pie in the sky.
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12/10/2008 12:10 AM
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Write down Your thoughts, keep it for better times.
 Quoting: VVizz



That is what I am doing here.

The time is now!!

Obviously, you understand the reality of what I am saying.

Yes Mr. VVizz, time to make things "better".
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12/10/2008 12:17 AM
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I want to add a personal thanks to all the replys. I have learned much in this thread.

I have a clear vision, I am seeking "caveman" simplicity to explain it with.

E^2 explained with two seperate, but identicle ways is more than I could have imagined learning with my post.
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12/10/2008 01:19 AM
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VVizz and Shoemaker II are the same person.
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12/10/2008 01:21 AM
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VVizz and Shoemaker II are the same person.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 569360



Ah, no...
Halcyon Dayz

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12/10/2008 01:46 PM
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Re: e=mc^2 is just Pi in disguise
You mean behaves as both a wave and a particle.

We don't know what light (much less anything else) is.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 165351

Analogies with human-scale phenomena pretty much breaks down when it comes to quantum physics.
The maths works fine, we just don't quite get what it means.


How about putting together the fundamental constants of the universe in a single and simple equation?

e ^(i * pi) + 1 = 0
 Quoting: idol_harobed

OMG!!11!!!

The Universe doesn't exist!


This fact really drives my point home.

The constant speed of light is considered 299 792 458 meters per second exactly, or approx 3.00×10^8.

Of course PI is 3.141529.……

3.141529 sure seems similar to 3.00×10^8 when the result is in terajoules!!
 Quoting: Shoemaker II

Meters and seconds are pretty much arbitrary men-made units.
If things had been slightly different (no French revolution or something like that) we would have ended up with something else.

So it's just a coincident.
Reaching for the sky makes you taller.

Hi! My name is Halcyon Dayz and I'm addicted to morans.
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12/10/2008 01:52 PM
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What really frightens me about this thread is that

(1) So many of you people here are serious; and
(2) Some of you have children.
Where's the EVIDENCE, Jim?
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What really frightens me about this thread is that

(1) So many of you people here are serious; and
(2) Some of you have children.
 Quoting: Duncan Kunz



lmao
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12/11/2008 12:19 AM
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What really frightens me about this thread is that

(1) So many of you people here are serious; and
(2) Some of you have children.
 Quoting: Duncan Kunz



What frightens me is stuttering while saying your last name. My wife might slap me.
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12/11/2008 05:11 AM
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Re: e=mc^2 is just Pi in disguise
Light "streams" like water, or more specifically: like piss.

Yep, this is where ya lost me.



This is why ancint Jews cirumcised themselves. To remind them of the true nature of light.
 Quoting: Shoemaker II

umm so they cut off the hat on one head 'n place a cover on the other? i dont get that :(





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