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Evolution is REAL

 
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Variety and variation within species is true.

That all life sprang into existence by accident from a rock is just plain stupid, no matter how desperately academics try to justify their rejection of God.
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No one says life sprang into existence from a rock, lol.

One theory is that life has always existed in ever changing and evolving forms.
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Huh, always did wonder about that fatal flaw called the Vertical Geological Column.

Guess nobody here understands that.

It's most likely due to lack of study and education on the details of the subject at hand.

Oh, but I am not one to assume....

Please carry on.....
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Greretings!

Darwin embraces Islam 125 years after his death and visits Makka

Outspoken atheists such as Richard Dawkins created a new form of dogmatic religion, headed by a man who is unable to ascertain whether there is life on Mars or there isn’t, but is persistently trying to mislead the masses to believe that there is no creator of the entire universe. This could simply be likened to somebody lost on narrow country roads outside Aberdeen , unable to find his way to any living town, yet insisting that London does not exist or there is no government in London .
Charles Darwin


The prominent negative sentiment of Richard Dawkins against the so-called ‘religion’ is actually generated from founded criticism of the translations of the Bible and what has been taught in the Judaeo–Christian world in the last few centuries, after man became able to prove that ‘God’ as presented in the translated Bibles, is wrong in many cases since the time of Galileo onwards.

What Dawkins is unable to grasp is that the world is not only America and Europe ; religion is not only Christianity and Judaism; divine revelation was not only the Bible and God is not necessarily what was ill-described in the translations of the Bible. Any realistic scientist or philosopher must have wider vision to the spectrum of the field he or she claims to have mastered, before becoming a dangerous ‘priest’, disseminating their new dogmatic religion which could only add to the disillusion of the people of the West who have already suffered from too many dogmatic interpretations of the translated teaching of the prophets included in the Bibles.

In his new delusional short-sighted religion, Richard Dawkins has adopted the work of Charles Darwin as the prophetic message on which the new dogma – ‘There is no God’ – is based. Despite the apparent respect and appreciation of his work, no one could harm Darwin as much as those who unlawfully associate his name with their atheism. The idea of Charles Darwin of the ‘Evolution and the law of natural selection’ was an ‘evolution’ of ancient Islamic theories, not innovation! In his Creation and/ Or Evolution, T O Shanavas provided enough evidence that: attributing the concept of evolution to Darwin alone is a ‘gigantic rip off’! Over 800 years ago, Ibn Arabi proposed the idea that the monkey was the last animal and first human in the evolution ladder. It was Darwin ’s grandfather who studied these ancient Islamic theories that inspired Chares to find the proof for that. Charles Darwin was so honest that he described only what he could proof, leaving the missing link very prominent in his incomplete evolutionary work. That missing link, to the dismay of Dawkins who misused the work of Darwin , is now confidently and astonishingly proved by the very God that Dawkins struggled to deny. The process of evolution is described in a series of coded messages in the Qur’an, the divine book that somebody like Dawkins would be too reluctant to challenge, as he can only challenge the man-made, outdated misconceptions attributed to God in the translated Bibles.

Darwin was a righteous man in his own right. Like Dawkins, he did not accept the dogmatic interpretations taught in the Judaeo–Christian culture about the creation. He was inspired by Muslim philosophers first, and then followed his pure instinct in search of the truth. He accepted that the true creator is superior to what has been attributed to Him in the Bible. Like Dawkins, Darwin stopped being Christian but unlike Dawkins he did not deny God, did not preach atheism, did not exceed the limits of his expertise and honourably declared the missing link, instead of attempting to mislead people by providing non-scientific dogmas, to fill in the space of his missing knowledge.

When asked about his religious views, Darwin wrote that he had never been an atheist in the sense of denying the existence of a God, and that generally ‘an Agnostic would be the more correct description of my state of mind’.

By this approach, Darwin acted like a divinely inspired messenger. The question of who inspired Darwin to reach his findings and keep to the limits of his expertise, highlighting the prominent missing link, must be the one who revealed the missing link in the Qur’an and Torah before, and provided all the needed detailed evidence on how the Intelligent Design took place. Darwin was a believer in God but not in the way the current Bible presented Him. Only the creator of the evolution could have revealed the missing link that completed this ongoing, originally Islamic theory and confirmed all its details.

Darwin did not sit in an office, fantasising about illusive evolution out of nothing, but he was a scientist who spent many years of his life examining similarities and differences between various species so that he may understand the wisdom of the hidden intelligence that designed the living beings. This journey is fulfilment for the instruction in the Qur'an:

[Say: `Travel in the earth, and see how He originated the creation. Then Allah will initiate the second creation in the same manner. Certainly, Allah has power over all things] Qur’an 29:20

Following his findings, Darwin did not preach atheism; instead he turned his face towards the one who created the universe in pure instinct, without naming Him, but with brave refusal to give Him false names or attributes. He left for mankind the treasure of knowledge, to reflect on, with utmost honesty, admitting the defeat in finding the missing link. His incredible effort in searching for the truth, instinctive faith and remarkable honesty were divinely rewarded by making him a prominent factor which guided Muslims to decode evolution’s codes in the Qur'an, to the dismay of ignorant Harun Yahya as well as Dawkins and his followers, who are not ashamed to attribute to Darwin what he did not claim, struggling to use his work in proving the negative – ‘There is no God’! Thus, like Ibn Arabi before him, who was the first to suggest that man evolved from the ape by divine intervention, Darwin should be placed amongst the undiscovered great Muslim scholars of all time.

The Qur’an, full of coded messages, was revealed 14 centuries ago. Six hundred years later, Ibn Arabi was the first philosopher to compose the theory of evolution based on Qur’anic interpretation rather than scientific evidence. It was only 800 years later that Darwin was exposed to this Islamic philosophy and was inspired to prove most of it scientifically. As part of the divinely-led intelligent design and evolution, the one who revealed the Qur’an, inspired Darwin at the correct time and then provided the answer for his missing link when human intellect ‘evolved’ enough to understand it. This is enough to suggest that Darwin, who was not known to discuss theological matters since he renounced Christianity, was a Muslim; just unaware that the word Islam, in its basic meaning, refers to a state of mind, an instinctive humble submission to the supreme creator, not a club that requires membership!

Dawkins may happily continue to promote atheism based on the errors of the translated Bibles, but he would never even be able to challenge the original Qur’an. He can continue to prove that ‘false gods’ did not exist except in human fantasy, which is an indisputable fact, but his thoughts will not hold water when he is asked to explain how the Qur’an could describe the entire evolution 13 centuries before the time of Darwin – and how it became suddenly apparent in the Qur’an only now.

In his delusional war against the delusional misconception of God in the translated Bibles, Dawkins is likened to the delusional heroism of Bush fighting Saddam on delusional allegations of possessing WMD at the time when the latter possessed no arms at all, not even swords! The reluctance of Dawkins to challenge the concept, logic and evidence of divinity in the original Qur’an could be likened to the reluctance of Bush to take any serious actions against North Korea because he is very aware they possess WMD and they will use them if they are provoked!


Atheists claim that: Religion is man’s quest for assurance that he won’t be dead when he would be! In a way that is true but the serious question that the messenger of short-sighted atheism – the new dogmatic religion – has to answer is: How could Mohammed describe the evolution and provide the missing link that Darwin and his school failed to provide until now? Be warned Dawkins, because the one who revealed the ‘missing link’ and inspired us to decode the Shajara Code, is the same as the one who warned mankind that they wouldn’t be dead when they assume they would be!

This book is intended to reveal in detail how the entire evolution was described in the scriptures. It is also intended to clear the name of the righteous man, Charles Darwin, from the inappropriate misuse of his scientific work by those who claim to respect him. It is also intended to clear his name from the unfounded accusations of blasphemy he suffered from those who claim they speak on behalf of God.
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Greetings!

Link 4 above: [link to www.shajaracode.com]
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I am psychic....

In fact, I predict people are at this very moment doing a Google on "Vertical Geological Column."

hahahahahahaha.
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11/29/2008 03:51 PM
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Some strains of bacteria have evolved to become resistant to antibiotics.

Thats an evolutionary fact and it happened just in the past 60 years and is still happening as we speak.

Evolution is real.

Variety and variation within species is true.

That all life sprang into existence by accident from a rock is just plain stupid, no matter how desperately academics try to justify their rejection of God.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 543159


Do you honestly believe that if one believes in evolution they are rejecting God? I beg to differ, I have great faith in God.

And this rock, I take it you are referring to as our Earth, is very much alive, a living breathing Entity.
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I am psychic....

In fact, I predict people are at this very moment doing a Google on "Vertical Geological Column."

hahahahahahaha.
 Quoting: archaicyeoman


No one has ever said Evolution is flawless.
Science is never perfect.
It does not need to be.
Only belief/faith and other such nonsense not based in reality needs to promote infallibility to attempt to shield itself from dissent.
Science is ever changing, and no doubt that the current evolution THEORY has many flaws that have yet to be righted.
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Leg bones in whales
Tail bones (coccyx) in humans
Dew claws in canines


nuff said.
And those who were seen dancing were thought to be insane by those who could not hear the music.
archaicyeoman

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LOL.

Like mice in a maze with no exit.

Produce some educated debate, or hit the books and come
back when you have learned something.

I'll check back, oh, around infinity.
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LOL.

Like mice in a maze with no exit.

Produce some educated debate, or hit the books and come
back when you have learned something.

I'll check back, oh, around infinity.
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That would make sense, if you were not religious, believing in nonsense that you has been dictated to you.
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Evolution remains an unproven theory.
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YEah and thats why 93% of scientists belive evoultion as fact
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Evolution remains an unproven theory.

YEah and thats why 93% of scientists belive evoultion as fact
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link?
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Religion is intellectual bondage.
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I disagree, in the sense, that not all religious people are in intellectual bondage. Ignorance can be found in different types of people regarding different aspects of life.
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The bacteria are still bacteria. The resistance they gain is through either loss of genetic information, or reshuffling of information that was already there. Placed into competition with the baseline bacteria in an environment with no antibiotics, and the resistant strains would quickly die off.
It's good to be open-minded, just don't let your brain fall out.
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If evolution is real, then why ain't apes and monkeys treated like family? Those in captivity are locked up in zoos who are only seen in public if money is payed to see the side show, and those in the wild face extinction due to habitat destruction, so if these primates are family why are they treated the way they are? Its time to put your beliefs into practice and go out and liberate your bothers and sisters and set up a system where monkeys and apes have equal rights, where they are not discriminated against and have safe places to live. If they truly are mankind's forefathers, then why are they marginalized so?
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Religion is intellectual bondage.


I disagree, in the sense, that not all religious people are in intellectual bondage. Ignorance can be found in different types of people regarding different aspects of life.
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Sorry when you stop looking for answers and except all life's questions to be answered in a 2,000 year old book, you HAVE given up your discerning intellectual capability's.
You have tapped out and given up.
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Religion is intellectual bondage.


I disagree, in the sense, that not all religious people are in intellectual bondage. Ignorance can be found in different types of people regarding different aspects of life.


Sorry when you stop looking for answers and except all life's questions to be answered in a 2,000 year old book, you HAVE given up your discerning intellectual capability's.
You have tapped out and given up.
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Don't be sorry, I've never stopped looking for answers, but I'm quite satisfied with the answers that I have found regarding life, death, etc. Nor do I rely soley on the Bible for all my answers, I'm quite capable of seeing truth in other faiths/cultures. God gave me a brain and free will to decide and make decisions for myself throughout my life. And yes even though I have faith in God I certainly believe in evolution.

Tapped out? Hardly. Given up? Never.
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After 60 years and it's still bacteria rofl should be a turtle by now, according to your pagan religion.
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If evolution is real, then why ain't apes and monkeys treated like family? Those in captivity are locked up in zoos who are only seen in public if money is payed to see the side show, and those in the wild face extinction due to habitat destruction, so if these primates are family why are they treated the way they are? Its time to put your beliefs into practice and go out and liberate your bothers and sisters and set up a system where monkeys and apes have equal rights, where they are not discriminated against and have safe places to live. If they truly are mankind's forefathers, then why are they marginalized so?
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Go figure, I suppose the ignorance of mankind and in some cases the disgust in which we treat all of God's creations. They call a dog mankinds best friend, if that is the case the hell with having mankind for a best friend.

The greatness of a nation and its moral progress can be judged by the way its animals are treated. (Gandhi)
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After 60 years and it's still bacteria rofl should be a turtle by now, according to your pagan religion.
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So evolution takes 60 years?
Fucking idiots.
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That all life sprang into existence by accident from a rock is just plain stupid, no matter how desperately academics try to justify their rejection of God.

No one says life sprang into existence from a rock, lol.


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Of course they don't say that so simply and so directly
but with all the fluff removed

THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT BELIEVERS IN EVOLUTION BELIEVE.
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After 60 years and it's still bacteria rofl should be a turtle by now, according to your pagan religion.


So evolution takes 60 years?
Fucking idiots.
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In bacteria generations? Scientist think so, that's why they've been trying to mutate the fruit fly WITH A SHORTER LIFE SPAN AND GENERATIONS !
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Do you honestly believe that if one believes in evolution they are rejecting God? I beg to differ, I have great faith in God.

And this rock, I take it you are referring to as our Earth, is very much alive, a living breathing Entity.
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Then you haven't thought about it all very much.
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After 60 years and it's still bacteria rofl should be a turtle by now, according to your pagan religion.


So evolution takes 60 years?
Fucking idiots.


In bacteria generations? Scientist think so, that's why they've been trying to mutate the fruit fly WITH A SHORTER LIFE SPAN AND GENERATIONS !
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 561744


We are the fruit flys in the scale of evolution.
A blink of an eye, 60 years is NOTHING in terms of evolution.
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The bacteria are still bacteria. The resistance they gain is through either loss of genetic information, or reshuffling of information that was already there. Placed into competition with the baseline bacteria in an environment with no antibiotics, and the resistant strains would quickly die off.
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Very true. Well said.
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After 60 years and it's still bacteria rofl should be a turtle by now, according to your pagan religion.
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God does work in wonderful ways. Who knows what that turtle was in their lifetime before they evolved to a turtle. :) A tadpole evolves to a frog, a catepillar evolves to a butterfly, and yes if you believe in having a earthly body and a heavenly body, then you must at some point understand you will EVOLVE.

Revelation chapter 4 is given over to the great importance of God’s holy Time structure which ensures the continued growth and elevation of God’s creatures: "for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created".

"Were created" refers to the original creation and "are created" refers to continuing growth and development (evolution).

Why fear what you don't understand, and why in the world would someone who believes in God, place limits on what God is capable of and how and why He/She goes about it.
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That all life sprang into existence by accident from a rock is just plain stupid, no matter how desperately academics try to justify their rejection of God.

No one says life sprang into existence from a rock, lol.



Of course they don't say that so simply and so directly
but with all the fluff removed

THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT BELIEVERS IN EVOLUTION BELIEVE.
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Simple question, do you believe this Rock, this Earth is alive?
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After 60 years and it's still bacteria rofl should be a turtle by now, according to your pagan religion.


God does work in wonderful ways. Who knows what that turtle was in their lifetime before they evolved to a turtle. :) A tadpole evolves to a frog, a catepillar evolves to a butterfly, and yes if you believe in having a earthly body and a heavenly body, then you must at some point understand you will EVOLVE.

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That's not how science works. We need to see it in the lab.
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This earth is our provided host for life.

The earth itself is not alive. Everything living on this earth could die and the earth yet exist.
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After 60 years and it's still bacteria rofl should be a turtle by now, according to your pagan religion.


God does work in wonderful ways. Who knows what that turtle was in their lifetime before they evolved to a turtle. :) A tadpole evolves to a frog, a catepillar evolves to a butterfly, and yes if you believe in having a earthly body and a heavenly body, then you must at some point understand you will EVOLVE.



That's not how science works. We need to see it in the lab.
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You and you're "evidence" why can you not just believe what is dictated to you?
No need for proof, or evidence or truth.
Just convenience and what is more convenient than all the answers to all your questions in just one book! hiding
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Simple answer.