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hrm
01/09/2005 12:11 PM
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Rumors have persisted for years that the astronauts --- nearly all military officers susceptible to being silenced under orders --- may have seen something more on the moon than rocks and dust. A According to transcripts of the technical debriefing following the Apollo 11 mission, astronauts Armstrong, Edwin “Buzz” Aldrin and Michael Collins told of an encounter with a large cylindrical UFO even before reaching the moon. Aldrin said, “The first unusual thing that we saw I guess was one day out or pretty close to the moon. It had a sizable dimension to it...” Aldrin said the Apollo crew at first thought the object was the Saturn 4 booster rocket (S-IVB) but added, “We called the ground and were told the S-IVB was 6,000 miles away.” Aldrin described the UFO as a cylinder while Armstrong said it was “...really two rings. Two connected rings.” Collins also said it appeared to be a hollow cylinder which was tumbling. He added, “It was a hollow cylinder. But then you could change the focus on the sextant and it would be replaced by this open-book shape. It was really weird.”

Even more strange was the experience of Aldrin and Armstrong, after they reached the moon.

According to an Associated Press story of July 20, 1969 (my file copy is from the San Bernardino Sun-Telegram), the astronauts sighted eerie lights inside a crater near the point on the moon where their lunar lander was due to touch down the next day.

On their first sweep around the moon, Armstrong described a mysterious bright light on the inner wall of the crater Aristarchus, located north of their flight path. “It seems to have a slight amount of florescence to it. The area in the crater is quite bright,” he reported. “That area is definitely brighter than anything else I can see. There doesn’t appear to be any color involved in it…It looks like an eerie sight,” confirmed Aldrin.

Two astronauts who appear to have broken ranks are Dr. Edgar Mitchell and Gordon Cooper. On a Oprah Winfrey Show on July 19, 1991, Mitchell hinted that all information regarding UFOs has not been released, saying, “I do believe that here is a lot more known about extraterrestrial investigation than is available to the public right now (and) has been for a long time....It’s a long, long story. It goes back to World War II when all of that happened, and is highly classified stuff.”

On “Dateline NBC” in 1996, Mitchell was even more candid. “I have no firsthand experience, but I have had the opportunity to meet with people from three countries who in the course of their official duties claim to have had personal firsthand encounter experiences...with extraterrestrials,” he said. Recently, Mitchell flatly stated that some advanced military craft use technology derived from alien spacecraft that have been collected by the U.S. Government.

Cooper, in a letter read during a 1978 meeting at the United Nations to discuss UFOs, stated, “...I believe that these extraterrestrial vehicles and their crews are visiting this planet form other planets, which are obviously a little more advanced than we are here on Earth.”

Also that year, Cooper wrote a letter to the ambassador of the Mission of Grenada to the United Nations supporting a UN initiative to study UFOs. In his letter, Cooper stated that astronauts “are very reluctant to even discuss UFOs due to the great numbers of people who have indiscriminately sold fake stories and forged documents abusing their names and reputations without hesitation. Those few astronauts who have continued to participate in the UFO field have had to do so very cautiously. There are several of us who do believe in UFOs and who have had occasion to see a UFO on the ground, or from an airplane.”

Cooper’s mention of a “UFO on the ground” apparently was a reference to his own experience at Edwards Air Force Base on May 2, 1957. In 1993, Cooper gave this account of the incident, “...I had a crew that was filming an installation of a precision landing system we were installing out on the dry lake bed, and they were there with stills and movies and filmed the whole installation and they came running in to tell me that this UFO, a little saucer, had come down right over them, put down three gear, and landed about 50 yards from them, and as they proceeded to go on over to get a closer shot of it, it lifted up, put the gear in, and disappeared in a rapid rate of speed. And so I had to follow my directions as a military...I had to look up the regulations on who I was to call to report this, which I did, and they ordered me to immediately have the film developed, put it in a pouch, and send them by the commanding general’s plane to Washington, which I did. And that was the last I’ve ever heard of the film.”

It is interesting to note that, despite the continued protests that there is no government secrecy regarding UFOs, there is no public report on this incident. Although the event was listed in the Project Blue Book index, a full report and clear photos are suspiciously absent.

Yet Cooper, who reported the UFO landing, was selected as a Mercury astronaut only two years later. In a 1996 interview, Cooper said he discounts any conventional explanation for his experience. Asked his thoughts on UFOs, the astronaut said, “Well, I figured it was somebody coming from some distant place to visit us.”

So, at least some of this nation’s astronauts have had unexplained experiences and voiced views radically different from conventional thinking.


[link to www.ufoevidence.org]
Decksurf
12/08/2005 10:11 AM
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12/08/2005 10:11 AM
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12/08/2005 10:11 AM
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Russia isn´t as secretive.


[link to english.pravda.ru]

Russian astronaut saw UFO in spaceship porthole
08/16/2004 11:51

The astronaut says he does not believe other astronauts when they say they have never seen anything unusual in space

Soviet astronaut, USSR Hero Vladimir Kovalenok spent 217 days of his life living in space. The astronaut does not exclude the existence of extraterrestrial civilizations. "When I was working at the Salyut orbital station, I saw something strange in a porthole one day. The object was the size of a finger. I was surprised to see it was an orbiting object," Kovalenko said at the press conference in Moscow on Friday.

The astronaut added he called his partner Viktor Savinykh to take a look at the unidentified object in space. "It was hard to determine the size and the speed of an object in space. That is why I can not say exactly, which size it actually was. Savinykh prepared to take a picture of it, but the UFO suddenly exploded. Only clouds of smoke were left. The object split into two interconnected pieces. It was reminiscent of a dumb-bell. I reported about it to the Mission Control immediately," the astronaut said.

Vladimir Kovalenok said they had not managed to photograph the object, Interfax reports.

"The Soviet press headlined the event widely. Soviet newspapers and magazines published a lot of articles and messages about it, but they were mostly critical articles. Journalists excluded the existence of the extraterrestrial reason," Kovalenok was quoted as saying. The astronaut said nobody knows, what happened that day, when he saw the strange object in space. "It was probably a UFO, but it was definitely not mysticism - two people watched it at the same time," said he.

When on Earth, Kovalenok learned specialists had registered considerable radiation emission the day the astronaut saw the object. "I do not believe it when astronauts say they have never seen anything extraordinary in space," concluded Kovalenok.
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12/08/2005 10:11 AM
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seen websites where they tried to interview astronauts. Not very sucessfully as the astronauts seemed distant, deranged and substance abusers.
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12/08/2005 10:11 AM
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The following is an excerpt of an interview given by former astronaut Gordon Cooper - Mercury 9, Gemini 5 - to OMNI Magazine in 1980. While it shows that Cooper does have a belief in ´UFO´s, it should - one hopes - resolve the issue of whether he did or didn´t encounter any "Unidentified Flying Objects" during his space missions.

Doesn´t sound too drugged out to me Deck...

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Excerpt of interview with Gordon Cooper: OMNI, March 1980, p. 106


OMNI: What about the repeated allegations that the astronauts saw many UFOs?

COOPER: It got so bad that there were deliberately falsified tapes of communications with the astronauts, where UFO material was simply edited in. To my knowledge, the only astronaut on any of the Mercury, Gemini, or Apollo missions who ever saw anything that might have been a UFO was Jim McDivitt, but he didn´t get enough pictures to prove anything substantial. That´s the only case, in spite of all the stories you hear.

OMNI: Didn´t you go after some UFOs as an air force pilot in Germany in the 1950s?

COOPER: Yes, several days in a row we sighted groups of metallic, saucer-shaped vehicles at great altitudes over the base, and we tried to get close to them, but they were able to change direction faster than our fighters. I do believe UFOs exists and that the truly unexplained ones are from some other technologically advanced civilization. From my association with aircraft and spacecraft, I think I have a pretty good idea of what everyone on this planet has and their performance capabilities, and I´m sure some of the UFOs at least are not from anywhere on Earth.

OMNI: Aren´t you concerned about the reaction of people who may read this?

COOPER: I´ve always been honest about my views on this subject. Because the astronauts have been so badly misquoted by irresponsible journalists, it´s up to each of us to say what he believes in. I´m engaged in a lawsuit against people who used my name for a commercial venture, quoting me to the effect that I´m dedicated to forcing the government to tell the truth about UFOs. I never said that at all. If any UFO information is being suppressed, it´s certainly not in the U.S. Air Force, because I was at a high enough level to know about it.

In defense of the military attitude, I can´t really blame them for being negative when I consider ridiculous things that have been said and written and the fact that the military is responsible for national security. It´s a little embarrassing to acknowledge they can´t explain some things.

OMNI: ...Are people psychologically ready to face it if UFOs should prove to be manned by visiting aliens?

COOPER: People want to know what´s going on in the world around them, and I think they´re prepared for the truth, whatever it is. A lot of people don´t believe anything about UFOs because of the absurd treatises that have come out on the subject. And a lot of people are afraid of the unknown. But the more we know, the greater the likelihood of treating UFOs in a friendly fashion.
hrm
12/08/2005 10:11 AM
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UFOs in orbit
A total of about 26 astronauts have reported seeing UFOs while in orbit.
The first sighting was in 1962, and later reports include those made by men aboard Skylabs 1, 2, and 3, NASA (the National Aeronautics and Space
Administration) takes the phenomenon seriously and checks into every sighting and analyzes all photographs. During their stint of duty in Skylab 2, astronauts Jack Lousma, Owen Garriott, and Alan Bean watched and photographed a red UFO for ten
minutes. They were then 270 miles above the earth, They said the object rotated every ten seconds and was 30 to 50 miles away in an orbit very
close to their own.
AC
12/08/2005 10:11 AM
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And what did our presidents know?
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:11 AM
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They were never on the moon.
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12/08/2005 10:11 AM
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Now there´s an idea! Send Dubya to the Moon! The aliens won´t stay there for long!
interest bump
12/08/2005 10:11 AM
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AC
12/08/2005 10:11 AM
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Aldrin was giving a speech to the DTI in Pall Mall, London about 2 years ago. Now as far as I know these people (DTI) are involved in all sorts of intelligence work around the World. Aldrin has been known to go furious at any doubts being cast on the Moon landing yet suffered a nervous breakdown and divorce not long after his return to Earth. So how deep does the rabbit hole go?
AC
12/08/2005 10:11 AM
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Its true
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Yes, during their pre-flight medical they were all naked in the same room together.
OMGWTFLOL
12/08/2005 10:11 AM
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"seen websites where they tried to interview astronauts. Not very sucessfully as the astronauts seemed distant, deranged and substance abusers."

That´s quite a generalization there. I know that Armstrong has conducted several public appearances and interviews. He´s a shy man, but certainly not deranged.

And how about all the other astronauts who engage the public, without being nutcases?
Alxander Raven
12/08/2005 10:11 AM
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$10,000 fine, each count.
Ten years imprisonment, each count.
Loss of pension and all benefits.
It´s in the contracts.
Keeps people quiet.
AC
12/08/2005 10:11 AM
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Maybe thats why Aldrin flipped?
Apollo 11
12/08/2005 10:11 AM
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Not rumor. NASA keeps national security secrets by law.

"No information which has been classified for reason of national security shall be included in any report made under this section unless such information has been declassified by, or pursuant to authorization given, by the President."

Section 206 Sub-section D - Public Law 85-568 from the 85th Congress HR 12575 published July 29, 1958. The act of congerss which created the National Aeronautics and Space Administration.
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Hiya HRM!
Good Info.... thanks!
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"I can assure you that flying saucers, given that they exist, are not constructed by any power on earth."
~ President Harry S. Truman, 1950

"The nations of the world will have to unite, for the next war will be an interplanetary war. The nations of the earth must someday make a
common front against attack by people from other planets."
~ General Douglas MacArthur- Oct. 8, 1955

ASTRONAUTS NElL ARMSTRONG and BUZZ ALDRIN speaking from the Moon:
"Those are giant things. No, no, no .... this is not an optical illusion. No one is going to believe this!"

"Perhaps we need some outside, universal threat to make us recognize this common bond. I occasionally think how quickly our differences worldwide would vanish if we were facing an alien threat from outside this world. And yet, I ask is not an alien force already among us?"
~ President Ronald Reagan 1988

"If we were being attacked by Space Aliens we wouldn´t be playing these kinds of games,"
~ President Clinton Nov. 10, 1999

"Today Americans would be outraged if U.N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order; tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told there was an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all peoples of the world will pledge with world leaders to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the "Unknown". When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well being granted to them by their world government."
~ Henry Kissinger Evians, France - 1991 Bilderberg Conference
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John Lear´s Disclosure Briefing
As presented on the 11/2/03 show:

Art Bell: Let´s say the government chose me. They were going to use me as an outlet to release this information. Let´s just say they did that and they took me to a briefing. Then what John?

John Lear: They whisk you to Washington, DC, you get limo-ed to this building, beautiful building, you go up into this room. They say, ´Art, you´re the guy and if you give us the go ahead, we are gonna release everything we know to the public. If you decide to go ahead, all major networks will be provided with information on all aspects of the cover up and no type of information will be withheld. Because of the deal for immunity for all participants of the cover up provides that nothing, no artifacts, no piece of information be withheld.´

So here´s what happened, Art. We´ll use some videos and stills. Our first UFO recoveries were in the late ´30s. We made a couple in the beginning of the ´40s and then came Roswell, which the public found out about. We got 2 live aliens from Roswell. One died shortly there after and one lived till 1956. And we found out so far there are 18 different alien species that we know about monitoring Earth. Some are good and some are hostile, most are indifferent. We found out that we are the experimental product, if you will, of an alien race who we never met and we don´t know who they are. All we know is that the Greys are cybernetic organisms, glorified robots if you will, who work here at the behest of their employers monitoring us through abductions. We were never able to find out what the experiment is all about except that we have been externally corrected about 65 times. And they, the aliens, refer to us as "Containers." There´s been speculation that the souls our bodies contain is the reason for the experiments. But nothing´s been proven or determined.

Since 1938 we´ve lost over 200 aircraft due to UFO hostilities and thousands of soldiers in all kinds of different actions with aliens. Since that time several hundred thousand civilians have disappeared with no trace. Several thousand of those were eliminated by us because of their chance encounters with the aliens which we could ill afford to have publicized.

A slightly more frightening phenomena known as "human mutilations" have occurred on a regular basis and are similar to "cattle mutilations". In that the human or humans are taken from the street, so to speak, and returned to the same area about 45 minutes to an hour later with their rectums cored out, their genitals removed, eyes removed from their sockets, and completely drained of blood. In all cases it appeared that the mutilation procedures occurred while the persons were still alive and conscious. One of our scientists speculates that apparently the human specimens had to be alive for the samples to be worth anything. Abductions occur on a daily basis throughout the United States to at least 10% of the population.

When we were first made aware this we protested to the little grey being we had held in captivity at the YY-2 facility in Los Alamos, but a deal was struck that in exchange for advanced technology from the aliens we would allow them to abduct a very small number of persons and we would periodically be given a list of those persons abducted. We got something less than the technology we bargained for and found the abductions exceeded by a million fold than what we had naively agreed to.

In 1954, President Eisenhower met with a representative of another alien species at Muroc Test Center, which is now called Edwards Airforce Base. This alien suggested that they could help us get rid of the Greys but Eisenhower turned down their offer because they offered no technology.

At this point it became apparent to all involved that there was no such thing as a God, at least how the public perceives God. Certainly some form of computer recorder stores information and an occasional miracle is displayed by the aliens to influence a religious event. This so unnerved Eisenhower that he had "In God We Trust" put on paper money and coins and put in the Pledge of Allegiance to reaffirm the public belief in God. Shortly after this it was determined in meetings between the US and the Russians that the situation was serious enough that a cold war should be manufactured as a ruse to divert attention of the public away from UFOs towards some other scary threat like the H-bomb. It was also decided to keep the ruse secret from any elected or appointed officials within both the US and Russian governments as it took so long to vet these officials and the ruse was easier to manage if the top people didn´t know about it.

In the late 1950´s NASA was formed to compartmentalize, containerize, and sanitize information from all space platforms and vehicles. We sold NASA to the public claiming that all information would belong to them but they got very little and even that was highly sanitized.

Our first efforts were to keep the public from learning about Venus. A very similar planet to Earth and it´s population is very similar to us just technologically advanced. We have learned a lot from them starting with the Russian Venera 1 and US Mariner 2, we made Venus look like a lead melting, volcanic surface, spewing sulfuric acid into a pressurized atmosphere 90 times that of Earth. And as often the case we over did it and we wondered why nobody asked how a parachute survived a descent into 800-degree air. We set up operations in Pine Gap, Australia to preclude any prying eyes figuring out what we were up to. We regularly eliminated through extreme prejudice anybody who was part of the operation and made the least little tiny threat about disclosure or dissatisfaction with the operation. Any space mission that included Mercury, Gemini, Apollo, Mariner, Voyager, Clementine, and all the rest. All data initially came transmitted to Pine Gap then it was relayed to JPL or wherever after sanitizing. We had a little trouble with amateur radio operators but we figured out how they could intercept these signals but we managed to deal with that.

When the Russian threat began to fade we introduced Vietnam which kept the public occupied for over ten years. The cover up and personnel to run the operation began to get bigger and bigger and required more and more money. We were forced to inflate the defense budget, which soon not enough. Then we got into the drug business which was still not enough. We were the ones that looted the savings and loan industry and Wall Street to boot. It is so out of control now most people want immunity and want out. But there is so much secrecy and so many double and triple blinds in place that it´s unlikely that this thing can ever be dismantled. And even if you give us the go ahead to spill the beans to the public it´s unlikely they will get anything more than "yes, we recovered a flying saucer and yes, there was an occupant" but that´s all we´re gonna tell ya.

So go ahead and roll the tape for Mr. Bell. What you see here are what human mutilations look like. That one was a male about 27 years old. That one is film of dead aliens being pulled from the wreckage of a craft that crashed in Olancha, California in the ´50s. That craft you see over there was over 250ft. in diameter and had to be buried on the spot. That site is in Utah near Dugway Proving Grounds. The object you´re looking at now is the as the Kecksburg Acorn which was brought to Wright Patt in the middle ´60s. There´s Frank Drake trying to force information out of a being tied down to a stretcher. He was supposedly from Tao Ceti.

These pictures you´re looking at now are structures on the Moon. That´s the tower in Sinus Medii and it´s over seven miles tall. And that thing over there is what we call the Colossus of Oguram(sp) in Mare Crisium. We don´t know what it does but the machine itself is bigger than Brooklyn, New York. Now those are videos of the domes covering the craters. As you can see, some are in a very advanced state of decay.

These are 5 second slides of the 18 different alien species we are looking at. That one there is the most gruesome looking. The guards at one facility are carefully indoctrinated over several months being shown pictures similar to but not exactly like the alien. Only when he´d been acclimatized, so to speak, of the horrible looking beings are they allowed to stand in security positions. Before these acclimatizations were done, we had two guards die of a heart attack as the aliens came down the hallway unexpectedly.

And this last clip is of the Kennedy assassination. You´ve heard of the second gunman theory? Well, this is the second camera that recorded exactly what happened and we had 4 gunmen. And the bottom line was that Kennedy had to go. He insisted on releasing what little alien information we had told him about and he was trying to withdraw troops from Vietnam which we were using as a diversion for the public. After Kennedy we never told any President anything. Nixon knew because he was briefed as VP in 1952. That´s how we knew where to take Jackie Gleason to Homestead Air Force Base to see the alien bodies we had in storage there.

And that´s about it. What say you Art Bell? Do we brief the public? Yay or nay?"

--Special thanks to "Spaceprophet" of Fantastic Forum who provided this transcription.
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they saw lights camera action, clapboard director!
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