GREEK RIOTS: Greek protesters seize TV studio

this was me

Then please prove the facts different by linking to some footage showing how the Greek police beats the crap out of these thugs. All I said was that from all the images I've seen these days, there's none that shows that.

I'm neither confused nor bewildered, I'm just surprised at the Greek police's inability to get a handle on this. It's maybe because the politicians ordered them to handle this with "one hand died behind their backs" in order to avoid inflamming public opinion even further.

Greece ran out of tear gas [link to www.telegraph.co.uk]

and 5 banks were exploded lastnight

They used 4,600 capsules of tear gas!

You understand that all this started when a policeman killed an unarmed 15 years old. The orders are that we dont want more killings and especially infront of the cameras.


As for where all this gas went just look the video
(and its not tear gas, it is chemicals my friend who is a cameraman said he is been sick for a week now.)

nob!

Fucking prick you have no idea!

An oblivious fool, don't let it get to you...

Not much being said on the media right now; it's like a media black out on the subject....actually somebody told me the media is on strike but I have to confirm that....

Protests still going on strong...

Will gather some more info within the next hour.

Would LOVE to know exactly what chemicals they are using, hearing A LOT about people getting sick who are around the area.

Your friend should go to the doctor ASAP...

Chemicals declared as “riot control agents”:

Adamsite
Agent CN
Agent CS
Agent CR
Chloropicrin
Agent OC
OC/CS mixture MPA [sic]
Ethyl bromoacetate
Pepperspray [sic]
Pelargonic acid vanillylamide

Stumled on these in a pdf. I'll look for more tomorrow...

I think Greece will need a lot of rain!! This is good info on tear gas:

[link to cool-palimpsest.stanford.edu]

thanks mark :)

There are still some people out on the streets tonight. Here is a group from Syntagma square, keeping company to the MAT (special police force)

[link to mfile.akamai.com]

you can keep an eye here for breaking news
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Hi Ostria. I'll go and have a look at your links in a sec. Here's a pretty definitive 6 page pdf on - ironically - health guidelines for CS gas. So it seems that many different gases can be called tear gas if they cause lots of tears but the most commonly used seems to be CS gas. Bit indiscriminate for my liking. Here's link:

[link to cdc.gov]

thanks! I ll have a look. My friend said that they were informed that vaseline doesnt do anything to protect your eyes from these gases and he wears glasses like the ones the divers wear.
But he still has red eyes and headace. And he feels very weak. Anyway, it is 3 am here and I think it is quite a calm night. I think I ll go to sleep soon.

Is that video link coming from Greek CCTV? Or is it someone's webcam out of their window? If it is CCTV has someone hacked into it or does Greece let people look at their CCTV normally?

its a private webtv... but it is enbeded in a greek tv program (political show) but its only on the interent

Now I know! Its surreal to be able to watch this stuff live at home without the news bringing it to you. The future...

This is for sure! technology can be very helpful.
Well I m going to sleep, have a good evening!

Yes, it is late - see you later...

Riots intensify Saturday night:

[link to news.bbc.co.uk]

Wearing hoods and masks, the protesters then turned their attention to a commercial area near the National Technical University of Athens, known as the Polytechnic, overturning cars and setting fire to three banks. Several shops and an office of the environment ministry were also attacked.

Riot police positioned at street corners in the area responded by firing tear gas at the protesters.

[link to news.bbc.co.uk]

They stand by and fire tear gas (most of the canisters being picked off the ground and thrown back at them!) while the hoodlums continue to burn shops and banks.

Did you lot see that amazing green laser thing!! Ha. BBC talked about Exarchia specifically at 5 am UK time. I haven't seen any video since I got up...

The rave party anarchists bringing their contribution to "the cause".

We have to remember that Greece is the cradle in which not only democracy
was born, but also a cradle for socialism and communism. That cradle
was ancient Greece. 16 years of failed Democrat and Republican leadership
during a period of extreme hubris (pride) leads to political nemesis, once the
failures of globalization and the American version of right wing "freedom" in
politics and economics are revealed to be the sham they really have proven
themselves to be. They had their chance and everyone paid a heavy price
giving them their chance. No one has forever to live, and 16 years post
Cold War, to see the results is far too long, considering what the results are.

The United States was constantly concerned about Greece moving more left
and thus towards the Soviet side of the east / west Cold War. The USA felt
they could not afford to ALLOW Greece to deviate as it was considered a
front line state in the war. Many Greeks were uncomfortable with this, but it
was increasingly difficult to express dissent.

Years after the Cold War that dissent remains largely suppressed, but it is
now starting to come to the surface. Greeks want their political and economic
freedom. Most want to break the Americanist Cold War yoke forever, and
they want to make sure that that they are never bound in that way again.

It is easy to understand why the anarchists have taken an upper hand in
Greece rather than the Marxists. The American push away from Soviet
communism, with its Marxist roots pushed towards the other side of the left.
That is the anarchist. The anarchist communists and the Marxist communists
formed the two sides of left wing confrontation in the Bolshevik period. The
Marxists won out, and a Stalinist variant gripped the soviet through most of
the 20th century. The anarchists remained an entirely unamerican communist
alternative to Leninist-Marxist Stalinist USSR politics.

So it is a natural evolution, but catalyzed by the American anti Soviet pressure,
from the Cold War era, and thus the resulting anti-American reaction.

The European Union needs to step in, to liberate Greek politics to a truer,
more European, expression of political and economic freedom. Free of
Americanism and free of American Cold War originated oppression.

Otherwise all hell will break loose, there and far beyond Greece's own borders.

Fact is that that hell is an anti American reaction.

Cheers.

Robert Morpheal

Youths attack the Exarchia police station as protesters hold candlelit vigils a week after a teen’s death


[link to www.ekathimerini.com]

Youths attacked police stations, stores and banks in Athens and Thessaloniki on Saturday as candlelit vigils were held to mark a week since a police officer shot dead 15-year-old Alexandros Grigoropoulos, triggering a wave of riots across the country. There were no reports of injuries, but police detained dozens of suspected rioters.

About 100 youths congregated in the central district of Exarchia and a group broke off to firebomb the police station, where the two officers awaiting trial for the youth’s killing had been based.

Outside Parliament there was a tense standoff between police and a crowd of around 2,000 demonstrators. There was unrest on Patission Street too yesterday, after youths hurled firebombs at three banks near the National Technical University of Athens and set fire to cars and trash bins. An office of the Environment Ministry was targeted as well.

In Thessaloniki, about 2,000 youths staged a rally on Saturday evening that was marred by outbreaks of violence, including a firebomb attack on the local offices of the Communist Party.

The protests are set to continue this week. Pupils are organizing a rally today outside the police headquarters on Alexandras Street in central Athens. Rallies are also planned for Wednesday and Thursday.

Riots regarded as ‘social uprising’

[link to www.ekathimerini.com]

As an opinion poll yesterday showed that six out of 10 Greeks believe the past week of violent riots were a «popular uprising» and not the work of «minority activists,» politicians from across the spectrum expressed differing opinions about what action should now be taken.

According to a survey carried out by polling firm Public Issue for Kathimerini, 60 percent of Greeks believe last week's unrest, triggered by the police killing of a teenager, had been «a mass phenomenon.»

Nearly half (42 percent) of respondents, questioned on Thursday and Friday when the rioting had abated, said they believed the widespread damage wreaked during the unrest had been the work of «a few people» with only 10 percent believing that the majority of demonstrators had been involved. Also half (47 percent) believed the protests were spontaneous, and «not politically motivated.»

The survey also revealed public discontent with the authorities' reaction to the crisis. A total of 76 percent were dissatisfied with the police response to the rioting, while four in 10 said they believed that none of the country's political leaders had adopted the proper stance.

2008 Greek riots - The big Picture

some of the best photographs taken during the riots

[link to www.boston.com]

Amazing....I read somewhere that the police office in flames escaped with only minor injuries...lucky man.

yes strong uniforms :)