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'Perfect mother' massacred her five children by slitting their throats while husband was away

 
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Yes, God exists.

So does sin, evil, and mental illness.



So does people's free will. God doesn't interfere with that. BUT we do know He destroyed a wicked world with a flood and He destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah. The Bible says that God's son Jesus is going to come to destroy wicked people and clean up this earth once and for all. Jesus will then rule us perfectly and this type of evil will never happen again. We are in the final seconds of this wicked system thank God.


The bible is not a book of facts, it's a book of stories. If God is perfect, all knowing, all being, all wise, couldn't he have seen what giving us free will would do?



We are made in God's image which includes free will. Otherwise we would be robots.

Free will is great. We have the power of choice. I am glad my children have free will. They have choices and I know that if they love me that it is their choice. Who would really want to make someone obey them and love them? You can't make someone love you. And God is love. He would never make anyone do anything. He does have rules but it is up to us to follow them or not. Also, since God does own it all we can give Him something He doesn't own. Our obedience and our love. These are choices on our part.

God says, “I have put life and death before you, the blessing and the malediction; and you must choose life in order that you may keep alive.”—DEUTERONOMY 30:19.

This wicked system will not go on forever. Adam and Eve wanted to be their own rulers but got another ruler called Satan when they disobeyed God and chose not to follow Him. Humans have made a mess of ruling this world but Jesus will be here soon to separate the sheep from the goats and usher in a perfect system on this earth. No more imperfect human rule or satanic rule. We have to choose to be on Jesus' side to survive into this new world. So choose wisely.
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BTW, the Bible is a book of facts and of stories. They are there to teach us. And God can CHOOSE to look ahead but doesn't always do this. He lets free will play out. He did warn Abel to turn away from doing bad but Abel chose to disregard God's warning and killed Cain. Abel had to suffer the repercussions of his act. The way we all have to. God warns us but we don't always listen and obey Him. Our fault. Not His.
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And people still think god exists.



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wrong, if god is perfect and we were made in his image the result should be our perfection and we are far from it.
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Sorry, got the names mixed up. Cain killed Abel. Not the other way around.
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Yes, God exists.

So does sin, evil, and mental illness.



So does people's free will. God doesn't interfere with that. BUT we do know He destroyed a wicked world with a flood and He destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah. The Bible says that God's son Jesus is going to come to destroy wicked people and clean up this earth once and for all. Jesus will then rule us perfectly and this type of evil will never happen again. We are in the final seconds of this wicked system thank God.


The bible is not a book of facts, it's a book of stories. If God is perfect, all knowing, all being, all wise, couldn't he have seen what giving us free will would do?



We are made in God's image which includes free will. Otherwise we would be robots.

Free will is great. We have the power of choice. I am glad my children have free will. They have choices and I know that if they love me that it is their choice. Who would really want to make someone obey them and love them? You can't make someone love you. And God is love. He would never make anyone do anything. He does have rules but it is up to us to follow them or not. Also, since God does own it all we can give Him something He doesn't own. Our obedience and our love. These are choices on our part.

God says, “I have put life and death before you, the blessing and the malediction; and you must choose life in order that you may keep alive.”—DEUTERONOMY 30:19.

This wicked system will not go on forever. Adam and Eve wanted to be their own rulers but got another ruler called Satan when they disobeyed God and chose not to follow Him. Humans have made a mess of ruling this world but Jesus will be here soon to separate the sheep from the goats and usher in a perfect system on this earth. No more imperfect human rule or satanic rule. We have to choose to be on Jesus' side to survive into this new world. So choose wisely.

god allowed that murder to happen, well done.


BTW, the Bible is a book of facts and of stories. They are there to teach us. And God can CHOOSE to look ahead but doesn't always do this. He lets free will play out. He did warn Abel to turn away from doing bad but Abel chose to disregard God's warning and killed Cain. Abel had to suffer the repercussions of his act. The way we all have to. God warns us but we don't always listen and obey Him. Our fault. Not His.
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god allowed that murder to happen, well done.
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I wonder if she shit down their necks?
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And people still think god exists.



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God is perfect, it's man who messed up.


wrong, if god is perfect and we were made in his image the result should be our perfection and we are far from it.
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That is because our first parents, Adam and Eve, lost perfection for us by leaving God and going out on their own with another ruler called Satan. We have inherited imperfection from them. Nothing perfect can come from something imperfect.

Jesus will come back and will usher in a new world where people who choose to follow him will have the chance to gain perfection that our first parents lost for us.
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And people still think god exists.



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Religion is a disease that rots the mind.


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God is perfect, it's man who messed up.


wrong, if god is perfect and we were made in his image the result should be our perfection and we are far from it.




That is because our first parents, Adam and Eve, lost perfection for us by leaving God and going out on their own with another ruler called Satan. We have inherited imperfection from them. Nothing perfect can come from something imperfect.

Jesus will come back and will usher in a new world where people who choose to follow him will have the chance to gain perfection that our first parents lost for us.
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So the first humans in gods creation were imperfect thus not created in a perfect god's image.
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"Either God wants to abolish evil, and cannot; or he can, but does not want to. If he wants to, but cannot, he is impotent. If he can, but does not want to, he is wicked. If God can abolish evil, and God really wants to do it, why is there evil in the world?"

~Epicurus
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Yes, God exists.

So does sin, evil, and mental illness.



So does people's free will. God doesn't interfere with that. BUT we do know He destroyed a wicked world with a flood and He destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah. The Bible says that God's son Jesus is going to come to destroy wicked people and clean up this earth once and for all. Jesus will then rule us perfectly and this type of evil will never happen again. We are in the final seconds of this wicked system thank God.


The bible is not a book of facts, it's a book of stories. If God is perfect, all knowing, all being, all wise, couldn't he have seen what giving us free will would do?



We are made in God's image which includes free will. Otherwise we would be robots.

Free will is great. We have the power of choice. I am glad my children have free will. They have choices and I know that if they love me that it is their choice. Who would really want to make someone obey them and love them? You can't make someone love you. And God is love. He would never make anyone do anything. He does have rules but it is up to us to follow them or not. Also, since God does own it all we can give Him something He doesn't own. Our obedience and our love. These are choices on our part.

God says, “I have put life and death before you, the blessing and the malediction; and you must choose life in order that you may keep alive.”—DEUTERONOMY 30:19.

This wicked system will not go on forever. Adam and Eve wanted to be their own rulers but got another ruler called Satan when they disobeyed God and chose not to follow Him. Humans have made a mess of ruling this world but Jesus will be here soon to separate the sheep from the goats and usher in a perfect system on this earth. No more imperfect human rule or satanic rule. We have to choose to be on Jesus' side to survive into this new world. So choose wisely.

god allowed that murder to happen, well done.


BTW, the Bible is a book of facts and of stories. They are there to teach us. And God can CHOOSE to look ahead but doesn't always do this. He lets free will play out. He did warn Abel to turn away from doing bad but Abel chose to disregard God's warning and killed Cain. Abel had to suffer the repercussions of his act. The way we all have to. God warns us but we don't always listen and obey Him. Our fault. Not His.


god allowed that murder to happen, well done.
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Again, this world is ruled by Satan for a little while longer because our first parents left God and chose to follow Satan. They told God they didn't need Him and this is the world we have now. This is the world we get when God is kicked out of it. It is not God's fault. He does not condone what is happening. That is why He sent His son to die for us and get us back from Satan's evil grasp.

Jesus will clean this earth up soon. And nothing like this will ever happen again. God will one day rule over a perfect planet and perfect people who choose to follow Him.

If you want to blame anyone blame Adam and Eve who got us into this mess. And blame imperfect people who choose to make life miserable for others. Satan and the demons also have a large part in this also. Our Father is not to blame.
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where's the proof that this doctor was sexually abusing the children?

ans why kill the children?

why not kill the doctor?
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i know, no mention ws made of such a thing. these posters seem like they have rabies.
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And people still think god exists.



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Religion is a disease that rots the mind.


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God is perfect, it's man who messed up.


wrong, if god is perfect and we were made in his image the result should be our perfection and we are far from it.




That is because our first parents, Adam and Eve, lost perfection for us by leaving God and going out on their own with another ruler called Satan. We have inherited imperfection from them. Nothing perfect can come from something imperfect.

Jesus will come back and will usher in a new world where people who choose to follow him will have the chance to gain perfection that our first parents lost for us.


So the first humans in gods creation were imperfect thus not created in a perfect god's image.
 Quoting: Something Other



Adam and Eve were created perfect. They chose to disobey. Perfect people can choose to disobey. By leaving God they became imperfect.
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Do you realize how ridiculous you sound? So Satan is ruling right now while god waits to intervene?
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The judge was told that Lhermitte's role as wife and mother was disturbed by the presence in the family home of a middle-aged Belgium doctor, Michel Schaar who paid most of the family's bills.

'He lived with us he even went on our honeymoon and slept in our room. We had to wait until he fell asleep before we could make love,' she said in court.

'I found that weird but Bouchaib said he regarded him as his stepfather. I think the doctor loved my husband in a platonic way.

'He watched TV with us in the evenings and went on holiday with us in the summer. We depended on him financially."

Lhermitte was asked in court why she laid the dead body of her 13-year-old daughter Nora in the bathroom used by Dr Schaar. She said: 'I wanted to hurt him. Nora was his favourite.'



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This part is very strange and suspicious. It sounds like the wife is not the one who needed the psychiatrist. I bet there was alot more going on that the wife found out about.


Are you kidding? Even if her husband was secretly gay and cheating on her with this guy, that is an excuse to kill her children? She was clearly mentally disturbed and was in serious need of treatment. I will never understand women who kill their children, those lives are not theirs to take. Nothing can ever justify such an action, it doesnt matter how miserable her marriage may have been.
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Sounds like he was paying to molest the kids, and she snapped, thinking this was a way to protect them.
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where's the proof that this doctor was sexually abusing the children?

ans why kill the children?

why not kill the doctor?

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bump
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And people still think god exists.



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Religion is a disease that rots the mind.


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God is perfect, it's man who messed up.


wrong, if god is perfect and we were made in his image the result should be our perfection and we are far from it.




That is because our first parents, Adam and Eve, lost perfection for us by leaving God and going out on their own with another ruler called Satan. We have inherited imperfection from them. Nothing perfect can come from something imperfect.

Jesus will come back and will usher in a new world where people who choose to follow him will have the chance to gain perfection that our first parents lost for us.


So the first humans in gods creation were imperfect thus not created in a perfect god's image.



Adam and Eve were created perfect. They chose to disobey. Perfect people can choose to disobey. By leaving God they became imperfect.
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By definition they were not perfect then.
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Another poor woman who was tricked into believing the lies of the State.
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And people still think god exists.



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Talk about thread hijack. It became a stupid sequence of pros and cons around religion.

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And people still think god exists.



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Religion is a disease that rots the mind.


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God is perfect, it's man who messed up.


wrong, if god is perfect and we were made in his image the result should be our perfection and we are far from it.




That is because our first parents, Adam and Eve, lost perfection for us by leaving God and going out on their own with another ruler called Satan. We have inherited imperfection from them. Nothing perfect can come from something imperfect.

Jesus will come back and will usher in a new world where people who choose to follow him will have the chance to gain perfection that our first parents lost for us.


So the first humans in gods creation were imperfect thus not created in a perfect god's image.



Adam and Eve were created perfect. They chose to disobey. Perfect people can choose to disobey. By leaving God they became imperfect.


By definition they were not perfect then.
 Quoting: Something Other



Then what is your definition of perfect?

Perfect people make decisions. They have choices to make. Adam and Eve chose to make decisions on their own. A choice that has caused much suffering for us; their children.

The angels are also perfect and some decided to go against God and caused havoc during Noah's day. They are now known as demons and will be put to death by Jesus. They were perfect but because of their choices are now imperfect.

Jesus was perfect also but was tempted by Satan to leave God. Jesus had a decision to make and unlike Adam, Jesus decided to remain on God's side. Jesus could have chosen to leave God just like Adam did but didn't.

A perfect being has the ability to choose to do evil. So a perfect being who chooses to remain on God's side will remain perfect. Those that leave God will then be imperfect.
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"being complete of its kind and without defect or blemish"

Their choice to "go against god" is their defect or blemish meaning they are not perfect and could not have been made in perfections image.
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SHe was help prisoner in her own home by her husband and THIS DOCTOR.

It is very obvious they were sold the children and the women on regular bases and therefore she chose to kill them and herself.

The doctor was a sick pedophile, her husband was his servant.

She killed her own offspring after she knew the torture would not stop for them or her.

That was a wrong thing to do but she chose to do it in a desperation and darkness and loneliness of her children cries from their birth to be heard in their dark house.

If anybody here wants to convey this information to the court they can, it's true and it will not be accepted due too... YOU KNOW WHY

Yup, it could be, things are usually totally different then they seem.

I don't know...could she have maybe killed the husband and doctor instead of innocent kids. Doesn't hold water IMHO.
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Good point. If they were indeed molesting her children she should have killed her husband and doctor. It would have made more sense. Why didn't she?
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"being complete of its kind and without defect or blemish"

Their choice to "go against god" is their defect or blemish meaning they are not perfect and could not have been made in perfections image.
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Man was made in Gods image. The universe was perfect.
Man, in his freewill, destroyed this perfect balance.
Had man not been given freewill, he would have been a robot or an animal.
This universe will be disolved back to energy. The beings made in Gods image have the choice to "stick around" in this eventual Lake of Fire, or be with God.
What "you" think or "you" believe does not change reality.

So in essence, you have the choice because you were created in Gods image to accept the "Way" back to God, or not.
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"being complete of its kind and without defect or blemish"

Their choice to "go against god" is their defect or blemish meaning they are not perfect and could not have been made in perfections image.
 Quoting: Something Other



The foregoing information will aid in understanding how perfect creatures of God could become disobedient. To view this as incompatible with perfection is to ignore the meaning of the term, substituting a personal concept that goes contrary to fact.

God’s intelligent creatures are granted free moral agency, the privilege and responsibility of making a personal decision as to the course they will take. (Deut 30:19, 20; Joshua 24:15) It is evident that this was the case with the first human pair, so that their devotion to God could be subject to test. (Gen 2:15-17; 3:2, 3)

As their Maker, Almighty God knew what he wanted of them, and from the Scriptures it is clear that he wanted, not an automatic, virtually mechanical obedience, but worship and service that sprang from hearts and minds motivated by genuine love. (Compare Deut 30:15, 16; 1Chron 28:9; 29:17; John 4:23, 24.)

If Adam and his wife had lacked the ability to choose in this matter, they would not have met God’s requirements; they would not have been complete, perfect, according to his standards.

It must be remembered that perfection as it relates to humans is a relative perfection, limited to the human sphere. Though created perfect, Adam could not go beyond the limits assigned him by his Creator; he could not eat dirt, gravel, or wood without suffering ill effects; if he tried to breathe water instead of air, he would drown. Similarly, if he allowed his mind and heart to feed on wrong thoughts, this would lead to entertaining wrong desires and finally bring sin and death.—James 1:14, 15; compare Gen 1:29; Matt 4:4.

That the creature’s individual will and choice are determining factors readily becomes evident. If we were to insist that a perfect man could not take a wrong course where a moral issue was involved, should we not also logically argue that an imperfect creature could not take a right course where such moral issue was involved?

Yet some imperfect creatures do take a right course on moral issues involving obedience to God, even choosing to suffer persecution rather than change from such a course; while at the same time others deliberately engage in doing what they know is wrong.

Thus not all wrong actions can be excused by human imperfection. The individual’s will and choice are deciding factors. In the same way, it was not human perfection alone that would guarantee right action by the first man but, rather, the exercise of his own free will and choice as motivated by love for his God and for what was right.Prov 4:23.
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"being complete of its kind and without defect or blemish"

Their choice to "go against god" is their defect or blemish meaning they are not perfect and could not have been made in perfections image.

Man was made in Gods image. The universe was perfect.
Man, in his freewill, destroyed this perfect balance.
Had man not been given freewill, he would have been a robot or an animal.
This universe will be disolved back to energy. The beings made in Gods image have the choice to "stick around" in this eventual Lake of Fire, or be with God.
What "you" think or "you" believe does not change reality.

So in essence, you have the choice because you were created in Gods image to accept the "Way" back to God, or not.
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True.
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Why don't these dumb fuckers ever kill themselves anymore. Back in the day losers killed themselves.
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in a perfect system on this earth. No more imperfect human rule or satanic rule. We have to choose to be on Jesus' side to survive into this new world. So choose wisely.

I wonder if there is any connection to the Dutroux [link to en.wikipedia.org] horrors of the 90s. Dutroux and his consorts seem to have been almost deliberately overlooked by the authorities. When one saloon owner said he would tell the truth of what happened, he was soon found dead.
While I have sometimes thought that all this pedophile stuff is overblown, it does exist and Belgium is an area for illuminati sex rings.
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The judge was told that Lhermitte's role as wife and mother was disturbed by the presence in the family home of a middle-aged Belgium doctor, Michel Schaar who paid most of the family's bills.

'He lived with us he even went on our honeymoon and slept in our room. We had to wait until he fell asleep before we could make love,' she said in court.

'I found that weird but Bouchaib said he regarded him as his stepfather. I think the doctor loved my husband in a platonic way.

'He watched TV with us in the evenings and went on holiday with us in the summer. We depended on him financially."

Lhermitte was asked in court why she laid the dead body of her 13-year-old daughter Nora in the bathroom used by Dr Schaar. She said: 'I wanted to hurt him. Nora was his favourite.'



Sounds like he was paying to molest the kids, and she snapped, thinking this was a way to protect them.
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That could very well be true. It would explain her actions a lot better than anything else.





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