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Moon Landing Hoax Apollo 17 : Astronauts See Stagehands in The Ceiling Holding Hoses(Wires)

 
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if the Moon landings were faked, how come the Soviets were not telling it to the world and completely destroying USA image, exposing them as fakers and liars?

For the same reason that President (and now Prime Minister) Putin has never publicly challenged the Bush Administration's fish story about 911:

Expose a lie, and you get some quickly passing satisfaction. But blackmail the liar, and you get a source of wealth and power for years to come.
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yeah now I understand why USSR DIDN'T WENT TO POVERTY AND BREAKUP and why today's RUSSIA ISN'T IN BIGGER CRISIS THAN USA. :D

please more serious explanation.

Maybe USA did really landed on the Moon, just videos are faked and the real one were not shown?
Or maybe US could have to expose some serious USSR space fakery in exchange?
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12/13/2008 06:53 PM
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In general, one's attitude about the alleged moon landing is dependent on one's attitude toward 911.
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I have not found this to be the case. 9/11 truth movement has many more members.
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I have not found this to be the case. 9/11 truth movement has many more members.
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Yes, but I meant the dependency in the other direction. Again:

Those who swallow the 911 fish story have no choice. Their own logic that "the government never lies" forces them to believe in the moon landings also.

Those who apply critical thinking to reject the 911 lies can apply that same critical thinking to the alleged moon landing. They may come to various conclusions, or to no conclusion at all, but at least they don't swallow the story whole just because "the government never lies."
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I have not found this to be the case. 9/11 truth movement has many more members.

Yes, but I meant the dependency in the other direction. Again:

Those who swallow the 911 fish story have no choice. Their own logic that "the government never lies" forces them to believe in the moon landings also.

Those who apply critical thinking to reject the 911 lies can apply that same critical thinking to the alleged moon landing. They may come to various conclusions, or to no conclusion at all, but at least they don't swallow the story whole just because "the government never lies."
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The government lies all the time. But it doesn't logically follow from that alone that the moon landings didn't happen
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I have not found this to be the case. 9/11 truth movement has many more members.

Yes, but I meant the dependency in the other direction. Again:

Those who swallow the 911 fish story have no choice. Their own logic that "the government never lies" forces them to believe in the moon landings also.

Those who apply critical thinking to reject the 911 lies can apply that same critical thinking to the alleged moon landing. They may come to various conclusions, or to no conclusion at all, but at least they don't swallow the story whole just because "the government never lies."
 Quoting: Skeptic 566227



What makes you think that is the only reason someone would accept Apollo? What makes you think that accepting one single story MUST come out of unquestioning acceptance of all stories?

Do I think that abstinence-only education is the best way to prevent teen pregnancies? No? But the US Government has been pushing that false science, and even tried to force the Surgeon-General of the United States to parrot it. Do I think that Creationism, no matter what you call it, is on an even footing with Evolutionary Theory? No? But the US Government, in the form of State governments and school boards, has decided so several times. Do I think anthropogenic global warming is an illusion? No? But soon-to-be-ex-president Bush has been claiming this for years. Do I believe that Iraq had stockpiles of WMDs they were about to use on unsuspecting American civilians? No? But Rummy and his pets were all claiming that loudly, and even showing what they claimed were official CIA reports supporting that.

Perhaps I see the battle lines differently than you do. Apparently, in your mind, science is institutional, and science facts are tools of "The Government," used only to prop up it's agenda. So people fall neatly into one of two categories; those who know a little science and accept unconditionally everything "The Government" says, and those who are open-minded and free in part because they have carefully avoided learning any science in their lives.

The way I see it, the dividing line is between truth and lies. Governments lie. People lie. People also lie to themselves without intending to. One of the few certainties anyone can hold on to is facts that have been vetted by scientific method; by the combative, competative, drive to falsify theories and to drive out any idea that has not been rigorously tested.

One one side is the honest pursuit of knowledge. On the other side is every variety of snake oil salesman; all the way from the administration spokesperson who claims WMDs were in Iraq, down to the online charlatan that thinks if he can show enough video clips out of context he can make the credulous and weak-minded agree with his version of reality.

There is plenty of politics in science. There's plenty of secrets, cover-ups, dirty pool, old paradigms, sloppy work, and just plain old dishonesty. But it still, because of the built-in corrective mechanisms, remains one of the most honest things we do. And there are plenty of Big Science projects that are awash with politics and cronyism and Big Money syndrome. The Apollo Project was a rare bird in the kind and amount of openess the entire project was conducted in. But then, that was an age when people cared, and had the intellectual tools to understand what they were provided access to. These days it is rare to find people who know much about what is happening in space...and even fewer who have a glimmering what is going on in high-energy physics (to name another arena of Big Science).

At the level of basic science; at the level of ordinary physics, geometry, optics, thermodynamics, chemistry, the information that is available about the Apollo Project adds up. It all works within the framework of science that is personally verifiable -- verifiable in direct personal experiment.

And 98% of the common hoax claims also fail at this same basic level; they fail to science that can be discovered by anyone with a few basic tools and the time to do some basic experiments.

So, yes, there is an "us" versus "them" angle to this, but it is not between "free thinkers" and "sheeplike followers of the US Government." It is between people who are willing to test their ideas with rigor, and people who are willing to not just be emotionally convinced themselves, but will lie and obfusticate to convince others.
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The general rule in any potential criminal investigation (such as the misuse of moon landing funds for a hoax) is to start at the bottom: with the evidence most likely to have escaped tampering or destruction, and the people least likely to commit perjury.
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There were hundreds of thousands of people who worked on the space program. Are they all liars?
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So, yes, there is an "us" versus "them" angle to this, but it is not between "free thinkers" and "sheeplike followers of the US Government." It is between people who are willing to test their ideas with rigor, and people who are willing to not just be emotionally convinced themselves, but will lie and obfusticate to convince others.
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Right on!
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The Apollo Program was a hoax garbage is moronic. Duping the American people is one thing, but duping the Soviets would be another. With their radar and comm equipment they would of been able to tell if the mission was a hoax. It would of been in the Soviets best interests to declare it a hoax and they didnt...proof enough.
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Can someone explain how the magic suits worked in the extreme moon atmosphere? Plus or minus 200 degrees in the shade and the sun. And how many batteries did they use for their excursion. (chuckle)
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Can someone explain how the magic suits worked in the extreme moon atmosphere?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 76450921

The same way they work in the "extreme atmosphere" of Low Earth Orbit.

Plus or minus 200 degrees in the shade and the sun.
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What does the temperature of the lunar SURFACE have to do with the "extreme moon atmosphere"?

Not as if they had to lie down on it for hours.
Anyway, lunar surface EVAs were during earlyish local morning.
Way before the Sun could heat up the surface to such temperature.

And how many batteries did they use for their excursion. (chuckle)
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I'm sure you can find an online source for that.

If your attempt at an argument is that there wasn't enough electrical power available "chuckles" carries no evidentiary weight.

What you would need to do is demonstrate HOW MUCH electrical power would have been needed and HOW MUCH electrical power was available.
That's the only way to tell if A is smaller than B.

The customary hoaxie "look what I found inside my colon!" certainly won't accomplish that.
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