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Read More: Nuclear Waste, Overfishing, Piracy, Pirates, Somali Pirates, Somalia, World News


Who imagined that in 2009, the world's governments would be declaring a new War on Pirates? As you read this, the British Royal Navy - backed by the ships of more than two dozen nations, from the US to China - is sailing into Somalian waters to take on men we still picture as parrot-on-the-shoulder pantomime villains. They will soon be fighting Somalian ships and even chasing the pirates onto land, into one of the most broken countries on earth. But behind the arrr-me-hearties oddness of this tale, there is an untold scandal. The people our governments are labeling as "one of the great menace of our times" have an extraordinary story to tell -- and some justice on their side.

Pirates have never been quite who we think they are. In the "golden age of piracy" - from 1650 to 1730 - the idea of the pirate as the senseless, savage thief that lingers today was created by the British government in a great propaganda-heave. Many ordinary people believed it was false: pirates were often rescued from the gallows by supportive crowds. Why? What did they see that we can't? In his book Villains of All nations, the historian Marcus Rediker pores through the evidence to find out. If you became a merchant or navy sailor then - plucked from the docks of London's East End, young and hungry - you ended up in a floating wooden Hell. You worked all hours on a cramped, half-starved ship, and if you slacked off for a second, the all-powerful captain would whip you with the Cat O' Nine Tails. If you slacked consistently, you could be thrown overboard. And at the end of months or years of this, you were often cheated of your wages.

Pirates were the first people to rebel against this world. They mutinied against their tyrannical captains - and created a different way of working on the seas. Once they had a ship, the pirates elected their captains, and made all their decisions collectively. They shared their bounty out in what Rediker calls "one of the most egalitarian plans for the disposition of resources to be found anywhere in the eighteenth century." They even took in escaped African slaves and lived with them as equals. The pirates showed "quite clearly - and subversively - that ships did not have to be run in the brutal and oppressive ways of the merchant service and the Royal navy." This is why they were popular, despite being unproductive thieves.

The words of one pirate from that lost age - a young British man called William Scott - should echo into this new age of piracy. Just before he was hanged in Charleston, South Carolina, he said: "What I did was to keep me from perishing. I was forced to go a-pirating to live." In 1991, the government of Somalia - in the Horn of Africa - collapsed. Its nine million people have been teetering on starvation ever since - and many of the ugliest forces in the Western world have seen this as a great opportunity to steal the country's food supply and dump our nuclear waste in their seas.

Yes: nuclear waste. As soon as the government was gone, mysterious European ships started appearing off the coast of Somalia, dumping vast barrels into the ocean. The coastal population began to sicken. At first they suffered strange rashes, nausea and malformed babies. Then, after the 2005 tsunami, hundreds of the dumped and leaking barrels washed up on shore. People began to suffer from radiation sickness, and more than 300 died. Ahmedou Ould-Abdallah, the UN envoy to Somalia, tells me: "Somebody is dumping nuclear material here. There is also lead, and heavy metals such as cadmium and mercury - you name it." Much of it can be traced back to European hospitals and factories, who seem to be passing it on to the Italian mafia to "dispose" of cheaply. When I asked Ould-Abdallah what European governments were doing about it, he said with a sigh: "Nothing. There has been no clean-up, no compensation, and no prevention."

At the same time, other European ships have been looting Somalia's seas of their greatest resource: seafood. We have destroyed our own fish-stocks by over-exploitation - and now we have moved on to theirs. More than $300m worth of tuna, shrimp, lobster and other sea-life is being stolen every year by vast trawlers illegally sailing into Somalia's unprotected seas. The local fishermen have suddenly lost their livelihoods, and they are starving. Mohammed Hussein, a fisherman in the town of Marka 100km south of Mogadishu, told Reuters: "If nothing is done, there soon won't be much fish left in our coastal waters."

This is the context in which the men we are calling "pirates" have emerged. Everyone agrees they were ordinary Somalian fishermen who at first took speedboats to try to dissuade the dumpers and trawlers, or at least wage a 'tax' on them. They call themselves the Volunteer Coastguard of Somalia - and it's not hard to see why. In a surreal telephone interview, one of the pirate leaders, Sugule Ali, said their motive was "to stop illegal fishing and dumping in our waters... We don't consider ourselves sea bandits. We consider sea bandits [to be] those who illegally fish and dump in our seas and dump waste in our seas and carry weapons in our seas." William Scott would understand those words.

No, this doesn't make hostage-taking justifiable, and yes, some are clearly just gangsters - especially those who have held up World Food Programme supplies. But the "pirates" have the overwhelming support of the local population for a reason. The independent Somalian news-site WardherNews conducted the best research we have into what ordinary Somalis are thinking - and it found 70 percent "strongly supported the piracy as a form of national defence of the country's territorial waters." During the revolutionary war in America, George Washington and America's founding fathers paid pirates to protect America's territorial waters, because they had no navy or coastguard of their own. Most Americans supported them. Is this so different?

Did we expect starving Somalians to stand passively on their beaches, paddling in our nuclear waste, and watch us snatch their fish to eat in restaurants in London and Paris and Rome? We didn't act on those crimes - but when some of the fishermen responded by disrupting the transit-corridor for 20 percent of the world's oil supply, we begin to shriek about "evil." If we really want to deal with piracy, we need to stop its root cause - our crimes - before we send in the gun-boats to root out Somalia's criminals.

The story of the 2009 war on piracy was best summarised by another pirate, who lived and died in the fourth century BC. He was captured and brought to Alexander the Great, who demanded to know "what he meant by keeping possession of the sea." The pirate smiled, and responded: "What you mean by seizing the whole earth; but because I do it with a petty ship, I am called a robber, while you, who do it with a great fleet, are called emperor." Once again, our great imperial fleets sail in today - but who is the robber?


Johann Hari is a writer for the Independent newspaper.
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I thought you were referring to the Pittsburgh Pirates.

They really need some good pitching this year.
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I thought you were referring to the Pittsburgh Pirates.

They really need some good pitching this year.
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Yeah you are right and a good American by the values you sport....I mean really...do brown poor people and their lives really matter to us anyway...ha ha ha...if they are not white Americans then they don't matter and it is only dumping raw radioactive nuclear waste into the ocean right?

What a fucking sheep!
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Who imagined that in 2009, the world's governments would be declaring a new War on Pirates? As you read this, the British Royal Navy - backed by the ships of more than two dozen nations, from the US to China - is sailing into Somalian waters to take on men we still picture as parrot-on-the-shoulder pantomime villains. They will soon be fighting Somalian ships and even chasing the pirates onto land, into one of the most broken countries on earth. But behind the arrr-me-hearties oddness of this tale, there is an untold scandal. The people our governments are labeling as "one of the great menace of our times" have an extraordinary story to tell -- and some justice on their side.

Pirates have never been quite who we think they are. In the "golden age of piracy" - from 1650 to 1730 - the idea of the pirate as the senseless, savage thief that lingers today was created by the British government in a great propaganda-heave. Many ordinary people believed it was false: pirates were often rescued from the gallows by supportive crowds. Why? What did they see that we can't? In his book Villains of All nations, the historian Marcus Rediker pores through the evidence to find out. If you became a merchant or navy sailor then - plucked from the docks of London's East End, young and hungry - you ended up in a floating wooden Hell. You worked all hours on a cramped, half-starved ship, and if you slacked off for a second, the all-powerful captain would whip you with the Cat O' Nine Tails. If you slacked consistently, you could be thrown overboard. And at the end of months or years of this, you were often cheated of your wages.

Pirates were the first people to rebel against this world. They mutinied against their tyrannical captains - and created a different way of working on the seas. Once they had a ship, the pirates elected their captains, and made all their decisions collectively. They shared their bounty out in what Rediker calls "one of the most egalitarian plans for the disposition of resources to be found anywhere in the eighteenth century." They even took in escaped African slaves and lived with them as equals. The pirates showed "quite clearly - and subversively - that ships did not have to be run in the brutal and oppressive ways of the merchant service and the Royal navy." This is why they were popular, despite being unproductive thieves.

The words of one pirate from that lost age - a young British man called William Scott - should echo into this new age of piracy. Just before he was hanged in Charleston, South Carolina, he said: "What I did was to keep me from perishing. I was forced to go a-pirating to live." In 1991, the government of Somalia - in the Horn of Africa - collapsed. Its nine million people have been teetering on starvation ever since - and many of the ugliest forces in the Western world have seen this as a great opportunity to steal the country's food supply and dump our nuclear waste in their seas.

Yes: nuclear waste. As soon as the government was gone, mysterious European ships started appearing off the coast of Somalia, dumping vast barrels into the ocean. The coastal population began to sicken. At first they suffered strange rashes, nausea and malformed babies. Then, after the 2005 tsunami, hundreds of the dumped and leaking barrels washed up on shore. People began to suffer from radiation sickness, and more than 300 died. Ahmedou Ould-Abdallah, the UN envoy to Somalia, tells me: "Somebody is dumping nuclear material here. There is also lead, and heavy metals such as cadmium and mercury - you name it." Much of it can be traced back to European hospitals and factories, who seem to be passing it on to the Italian mafia to "dispose" of cheaply. When I asked Ould-Abdallah what European governments were doing about it, he said with a sigh: "Nothing. There has been no clean-up, no compensation, and no prevention."

At the same time, other European ships have been looting Somalia's seas of their greatest resource: seafood. We have destroyed our own fish-stocks by over-exploitation - and now we have moved on to theirs. More than $300m worth of tuna, shrimp, lobster and other sea-life is being stolen every year by vast trawlers illegally sailing into Somalia's unprotected seas. The local fishermen have suddenly lost their livelihoods, and they are starving. Mohammed Hussein, a fisherman in the town of Marka 100km south of Mogadishu, told Reuters: "If nothing is done, there soon won't be much fish left in our coastal waters."

This is the context in which the men we are calling "pirates" have emerged. Everyone agrees they were ordinary Somalian fishermen who at first took speedboats to try to dissuade the dumpers and trawlers, or at least wage a 'tax' on them. They call themselves the Volunteer Coastguard of Somalia - and it's not hard to see why. In a surreal telephone interview, one of the pirate leaders, Sugule Ali, said their motive was "to stop illegal fishing and dumping in our waters... We don't consider ourselves sea bandits. We consider sea bandits [to be] those who illegally fish and dump in our seas and dump waste in our seas and carry weapons in our seas." William Scott would understand those words.

No, this doesn't make hostage-taking justifiable, and yes, some are clearly just gangsters - especially those who have held up World Food Programme supplies. But the "pirates" have the overwhelming support of the local population for a reason. The independent Somalian news-site WardherNews conducted the best research we have into what ordinary Somalis are thinking - and it found 70 percent "strongly supported the piracy as a form of national defence of the country's territorial waters." During the revolutionary war in America, George Washington and America's founding fathers paid pirates to protect America's territorial waters, because they had no navy or coastguard of their own. Most Americans supported them. Is this so different?

Did we expect starving Somalians to stand passively on their beaches, paddling in our nuclear waste, and watch us snatch their fish to eat in restaurants in London and Paris and Rome? We didn't act on those crimes - but when some of the fishermen responded by disrupting the transit-corridor for 20 percent of the world's oil supply, we begin to shriek about "evil." If we really want to deal with piracy, we need to stop its root cause - our crimes - before we send in the gun-boats to root out Somalia's criminals.

The story of the 2009 war on piracy was best summarised by another pirate, who lived and died in the fourth century BC. He was captured and brought to Alexander the Great, who demanded to know "what he meant by keeping possession of the sea." The pirate smiled, and responded: "What you mean by seizing the whole earth; but because I do it with a petty ship, I am called a robber, while you, who do it with a great fleet, are called emperor." Once again, our great imperial fleets sail in today - but who is the robber?


Johann Hari is a writer for the Independent newspaper.
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Does he have photographic evidence of the toxic waste?
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Read More: Nuclear Waste, Overfishing, Piracy, Pirates, Somali Pirates, Somalia, World News


Who imagined that in 2009, the world's governments would be declaring a new War on Pirates? As you read this, the British Royal Navy - backed by the ships of more than two dozen nations, from the US to China - is sailing into Somalian waters to take on men we still picture as parrot-on-the-shoulder pantomime villains. They will soon be fighting Somalian ships and even chasing the pirates onto land, into one of the most broken countries on earth. But behind the arrr-me-hearties oddness of this tale, there is an untold scandal. The people our governments are labeling as "one of the great menace of our times" have an extraordinary story to tell -- and some justice on their side.

Pirates have never been quite who we think they are. In the "golden age of piracy" - from 1650 to 1730 - the idea of the pirate as the senseless, savage thief that lingers today was created by the British government in a great propaganda-heave. Many ordinary people believed it was false: pirates were often rescued from the gallows by supportive crowds. Why? What did they see that we can't? In his book Villains of All nations, the historian Marcus Rediker pores through the evidence to find out. If you became a merchant or navy sailor then - plucked from the docks of London's East End, young and hungry - you ended up in a floating wooden Hell. You worked all hours on a cramped, half-starved ship, and if you slacked off for a second, the all-powerful captain would whip you with the Cat O' Nine Tails. If you slacked consistently, you could be thrown overboard. And at the end of months or years of this, you were often cheated of your wages.

Pirates were the first people to rebel against this world. They mutinied against their tyrannical captains - and created a different way of working on the seas. Once they had a ship, the pirates elected their captains, and made all their decisions collectively. They shared their bounty out in what Rediker calls "one of the most egalitarian plans for the disposition of resources to be found anywhere in the eighteenth century." They even took in escaped African slaves and lived with them as equals. The pirates showed "quite clearly - and subversively - that ships did not have to be run in the brutal and oppressive ways of the merchant service and the Royal navy." This is why they were popular, despite being unproductive thieves.

The words of one pirate from that lost age - a young British man called William Scott - should echo into this new age of piracy. Just before he was hanged in Charleston, South Carolina, he said: "What I did was to keep me from perishing. I was forced to go a-pirating to live." In 1991, the government of Somalia - in the Horn of Africa - collapsed. Its nine million people have been teetering on starvation ever since - and many of the ugliest forces in the Western world have seen this as a great opportunity to steal the country's food supply and dump our nuclear waste in their seas.

Yes: nuclear waste. As soon as the government was gone, mysterious European ships started appearing off the coast of Somalia, dumping vast barrels into the ocean. The coastal population began to sicken. At first they suffered strange rashes, nausea and malformed babies. Then, after the 2005 tsunami, hundreds of the dumped and leaking barrels washed up on shore. People began to suffer from radiation sickness, and more than 300 died. Ahmedou Ould-Abdallah, the UN envoy to Somalia, tells me: "Somebody is dumping nuclear material here. There is also lead, and heavy metals such as cadmium and mercury - you name it." Much of it can be traced back to European hospitals and factories, who seem to be passing it on to the Italian mafia to "dispose" of cheaply. When I asked Ould-Abdallah what European governments were doing about it, he said with a sigh: "Nothing. There has been no clean-up, no compensation, and no prevention."

At the same time, other European ships have been looting Somalia's seas of their greatest resource: seafood. We have destroyed our own fish-stocks by over-exploitation - and now we have moved on to theirs. More than $300m worth of tuna, shrimp, lobster and other sea-life is being stolen every year by vast trawlers illegally sailing into Somalia's unprotected seas. The local fishermen have suddenly lost their livelihoods, and they are starving. Mohammed Hussein, a fisherman in the town of Marka 100km south of Mogadishu, told Reuters: "If nothing is done, there soon won't be much fish left in our coastal waters."

This is the context in which the men we are calling "pirates" have emerged. Everyone agrees they were ordinary Somalian fishermen who at first took speedboats to try to dissuade the dumpers and trawlers, or at least wage a 'tax' on them. They call themselves the Volunteer Coastguard of Somalia - and it's not hard to see why. In a surreal telephone interview, one of the pirate leaders, Sugule Ali, said their motive was "to stop illegal fishing and dumping in our waters... We don't consider ourselves sea bandits. We consider sea bandits [to be] those who illegally fish and dump in our seas and dump waste in our seas and carry weapons in our seas." William Scott would understand those words.

No, this doesn't make hostage-taking justifiable, and yes, some are clearly just gangsters - especially those who have held up World Food Programme supplies. But the "pirates" have the overwhelming support of the local population for a reason. The independent Somalian news-site WardherNews conducted the best research we have into what ordinary Somalis are thinking - and it found 70 percent "strongly supported the piracy as a form of national defence of the country's territorial waters." During the revolutionary war in America, George Washington and America's founding fathers paid pirates to protect America's territorial waters, because they had no navy or coastguard of their own. Most Americans supported them. Is this so different?

Did we expect starving Somalians to stand passively on their beaches, paddling in our nuclear waste, and watch us snatch their fish to eat in restaurants in London and Paris and Rome? We didn't act on those crimes - but when some of the fishermen responded by disrupting the transit-corridor for 20 percent of the world's oil supply, we begin to shriek about "evil." If we really want to deal with piracy, we need to stop its root cause - our crimes - before we send in the gun-boats to root out Somalia's criminals.

The story of the 2009 war on piracy was best summarised by another pirate, who lived and died in the fourth century BC. He was captured and brought to Alexander the Great, who demanded to know "what he meant by keeping possession of the sea." The pirate smiled, and responded: "What you mean by seizing the whole earth; but because I do it with a petty ship, I am called a robber, while you, who do it with a great fleet, are called emperor." Once again, our great imperial fleets sail in today - but who is the robber?


Johann Hari is a writer for the Independent newspaper.
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Does he have photographic evidence of the toxic waste?
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"Does he have photographic evidence of the toxic waste?"

This is a breaking story and I have not seen pics yet, but he is a reliable journalists and this story has been verified in Europe.
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Nobody gives a damn about the whole African continent. Not even black people.
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Nobody gives a damn about the whole African continent. Not even black people.
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That is why we can expect massive suffering in our own lives because we negate and deny the basic truth that we are all connected and everyones suffering and basic needs are connected.
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Interesting deduction, however, I have tiny little question.

Why does it take the supreme "world's navy" to take out the skallywags anyway? Seems to me one solitary little destroyer could do the job....in the midst of a big yawn.

So yes, I'll agree with you we are being lied to...just NOT for the reasons you describe.

You Are Being Lied to About Pirates

Read More: Nuclear Waste, Overfishing, Piracy, Pirates, Somali Pirates, Somalia, World News


Who imagined that in 2009, the world's governments would be declaring a new War on Pirates? As you read this, the British Royal Navy - backed by the ships of more than two dozen nations, from the US to China - is sailing into Somalian waters to take on men we still picture as parrot-on-the-shoulder pantomime villains. They will soon be fighting Somalian ships and even chasing the pirates onto land, into one of the most broken countries on earth. But behind the arrr-me-hearties oddness of this tale, there is an untold scandal. The people our governments are labeling as "one of the great menace of our times" have an extraordinary story to tell -- and some justice on their side.

Pirates have never been quite who we think they are. In the "golden age of piracy" - from 1650 to 1730 - the idea of the pirate as the senseless, savage thief that lingers today was created by the British government in a great propaganda-heave. Many ordinary people believed it was false: pirates were often rescued from the gallows by supportive crowds. Why? What did they see that we can't? In his book Villains of All nations, the historian Marcus Rediker pores through the evidence to find out. If you became a merchant or navy sailor then - plucked from the docks of London's East End, young and hungry - you ended up in a floating wooden Hell. You worked all hours on a cramped, half-starved ship, and if you slacked off for a second, the all-powerful captain would whip you with the Cat O' Nine Tails. If you slacked consistently, you could be thrown overboard. And at the end of months or years of this, you were often cheated of your wages.

Pirates were the first people to rebel against this world. They mutinied against their tyrannical captains - and created a different way of working on the seas. Once they had a ship, the pirates elected their captains, and made all their decisions collectively. They shared their bounty out in what Rediker calls "one of the most egalitarian plans for the disposition of resources to be found anywhere in the eighteenth century." They even took in escaped African slaves and lived with them as equals. The pirates showed "quite clearly - and subversively - that ships did not have to be run in the brutal and oppressive ways of the merchant service and the Royal navy." This is why they were popular, despite being unproductive thieves.

The words of one pirate from that lost age - a young British man called William Scott - should echo into this new age of piracy. Just before he was hanged in Charleston, South Carolina, he said: "What I did was to keep me from perishing. I was forced to go a-pirating to live." In 1991, the government of Somalia - in the Horn of Africa - collapsed. Its nine million people have been teetering on starvation ever since - and many of the ugliest forces in the Western world have seen this as a great opportunity to steal the country's food supply and dump our nuclear waste in their seas.

Yes: nuclear waste. As soon as the government was gone, mysterious European ships started appearing off the coast of Somalia, dumping vast barrels into the ocean. The coastal population began to sicken. At first they suffered strange rashes, nausea and malformed babies. Then, after the 2005 tsunami, hundreds of the dumped and leaking barrels washed up on shore. People began to suffer from radiation sickness, and more than 300 died. Ahmedou Ould-Abdallah, the UN envoy to Somalia, tells me: "Somebody is dumping nuclear material here. There is also lead, and heavy metals such as cadmium and mercury - you name it." Much of it can be traced back to European hospitals and factories, who seem to be passing it on to the Italian mafia to "dispose" of cheaply. When I asked Ould-Abdallah what European governments were doing about it, he said with a sigh: "Nothing. There has been no clean-up, no compensation, and no prevention."

At the same time, other European ships have been looting Somalia's seas of their greatest resource: seafood. We have destroyed our own fish-stocks by over-exploitation - and now we have moved on to theirs. More than $300m worth of tuna, shrimp, lobster and other sea-life is being stolen every year by vast trawlers illegally sailing into Somalia's unprotected seas. The local fishermen have suddenly lost their livelihoods, and they are starving. Mohammed Hussein, a fisherman in the town of Marka 100km south of Mogadishu, told Reuters: "If nothing is done, there soon won't be much fish left in our coastal waters."

This is the context in which the men we are calling "pirates" have emerged. Everyone agrees they were ordinary Somalian fishermen who at first took speedboats to try to dissuade the dumpers and trawlers, or at least wage a 'tax' on them. They call themselves the Volunteer Coastguard of Somalia - and it's not hard to see why. In a surreal telephone interview, one of the pirate leaders, Sugule Ali, said their motive was "to stop illegal fishing and dumping in our waters... We don't consider ourselves sea bandits. We consider sea bandits [to be] those who illegally fish and dump in our seas and dump waste in our seas and carry weapons in our seas." William Scott would understand those words.

No, this doesn't make hostage-taking justifiable, and yes, some are clearly just gangsters - especially those who have held up World Food Programme supplies. But the "pirates" have the overwhelming support of the local population for a reason. The independent Somalian news-site WardherNews conducted the best research we have into what ordinary Somalis are thinking - and it found 70 percent "strongly supported the piracy as a form of national defence of the country's territorial waters." During the revolutionary war in America, George Washington and America's founding fathers paid pirates to protect America's territorial waters, because they had no navy or coastguard of their own. Most Americans supported them. Is this so different?

Did we expect starving Somalians to stand passively on their beaches, paddling in our nuclear waste, and watch us snatch their fish to eat in restaurants in London and Paris and Rome? We didn't act on those crimes - but when some of the fishermen responded by disrupting the transit-corridor for 20 percent of the world's oil supply, we begin to shriek about "evil." If we really want to deal with piracy, we need to stop its root cause - our crimes - before we send in the gun-boats to root out Somalia's criminals.

The story of the 2009 war on piracy was best summarised by another pirate, who lived and died in the fourth century BC. He was captured and brought to Alexander the Great, who demanded to know "what he meant by keeping possession of the sea." The pirate smiled, and responded: "What you mean by seizing the whole earth; but because I do it with a petty ship, I am called a robber, while you, who do it with a great fleet, are called emperor." Once again, our great imperial fleets sail in today - but who is the robber?


Johann Hari is a writer for the Independent newspaper.
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Yes, I am not positive either of the cause but like you I am sure we are being decieved once again and this is a good story that needs additional research!
Interesting deduction, however, I have tiny little question.

Why does it take the supreme "world's navy" to take out the skallywags anyway? Seems to me one solitary little destroyer could do the job....in the midst of a big yawn.

So yes, I'll agree with you we are being lied to...just NOT for the reasons you describe.


You Are Being Lied to About Pirates

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Who imagined that in 2009, the world's governments would be declaring a new War on Pirates? As you read this, the British Royal Navy - backed by the ships of more than two dozen nations, from the US to China - is sailing into Somalian waters to take on men we still picture as parrot-on-the-shoulder pantomime villains. They will soon be fighting Somalian ships and even chasing the pirates onto land, into one of the most broken countries on earth. But behind the arrr-me-hearties oddness of this tale, there is an untold scandal. The people our governments are labeling as "one of the great menace of our times" have an extraordinary story to tell -- and some justice on their side.

Pirates have never been quite who we think they are. In the "golden age of piracy" - from 1650 to 1730 - the idea of the pirate as the senseless, savage thief that lingers today was created by the British government in a great propaganda-heave. Many ordinary people believed it was false: pirates were often rescued from the gallows by supportive crowds. Why? What did they see that we can't? In his book Villains of All nations, the historian Marcus Rediker pores through the evidence to find out. If you became a merchant or navy sailor then - plucked from the docks of London's East End, young and hungry - you ended up in a floating wooden Hell. You worked all hours on a cramped, half-starved ship, and if you slacked off for a second, the all-powerful captain would whip you with the Cat O' Nine Tails. If you slacked consistently, you could be thrown overboard. And at the end of months or years of this, you were often cheated of your wages.

Pirates were the first people to rebel against this world. They mutinied against their tyrannical captains - and created a different way of working on the seas. Once they had a ship, the pirates elected their captains, and made all their decisions collectively. They shared their bounty out in what Rediker calls "one of the most egalitarian plans for the disposition of resources to be found anywhere in the eighteenth century." They even took in escaped African slaves and lived with them as equals. The pirates showed "quite clearly - and subversively - that ships did not have to be run in the brutal and oppressive ways of the merchant service and the Royal navy." This is why they were popular, despite being unproductive thieves.

The words of one pirate from that lost age - a young British man called William Scott - should echo into this new age of piracy. Just before he was hanged in Charleston, South Carolina, he said: "What I did was to keep me from perishing. I was forced to go a-pirating to live." In 1991, the government of Somalia - in the Horn of Africa - collapsed. Its nine million people have been teetering on starvation ever since - and many of the ugliest forces in the Western world have seen this as a great opportunity to steal the country's food supply and dump our nuclear waste in their seas.

Yes: nuclear waste. As soon as the government was gone, mysterious European ships started appearing off the coast of Somalia, dumping vast barrels into the ocean. The coastal population began to sicken. At first they suffered strange rashes, nausea and malformed babies. Then, after the 2005 tsunami, hundreds of the dumped and leaking barrels washed up on shore. People began to suffer from radiation sickness, and more than 300 died. Ahmedou Ould-Abdallah, the UN envoy to Somalia, tells me: "Somebody is dumping nuclear material here. There is also lead, and heavy metals such as cadmium and mercury - you name it." Much of it can be traced back to European hospitals and factories, who seem to be passing it on to the Italian mafia to "dispose" of cheaply. When I asked Ould-Abdallah what European governments were doing about it, he said with a sigh: "Nothing. There has been no clean-up, no compensation, and no prevention."

At the same time, other European ships have been looting Somalia's seas of their greatest resource: seafood. We have destroyed our own fish-stocks by over-exploitation - and now we have moved on to theirs. More than $300m worth of tuna, shrimp, lobster and other sea-life is being stolen every year by vast trawlers illegally sailing into Somalia's unprotected seas. The local fishermen have suddenly lost their livelihoods, and they are starving. Mohammed Hussein, a fisherman in the town of Marka 100km south of Mogadishu, told Reuters: "If nothing is done, there soon won't be much fish left in our coastal waters."

This is the context in which the men we are calling "pirates" have emerged. Everyone agrees they were ordinary Somalian fishermen who at first took speedboats to try to dissuade the dumpers and trawlers, or at least wage a 'tax' on them. They call themselves the Volunteer Coastguard of Somalia - and it's not hard to see why. In a surreal telephone interview, one of the pirate leaders, Sugule Ali, said their motive was "to stop illegal fishing and dumping in our waters... We don't consider ourselves sea bandits. We consider sea bandits [to be] those who illegally fish and dump in our seas and dump waste in our seas and carry weapons in our seas." William Scott would understand those words.

No, this doesn't make hostage-taking justifiable, and yes, some are clearly just gangsters - especially those who have held up World Food Programme supplies. But the "pirates" have the overwhelming support of the local population for a reason. The independent Somalian news-site WardherNews conducted the best research we have into what ordinary Somalis are thinking - and it found 70 percent "strongly supported the piracy as a form of national defence of the country's territorial waters." During the revolutionary war in America, George Washington and America's founding fathers paid pirates to protect America's territorial waters, because they had no navy or coastguard of their own. Most Americans supported them. Is this so different?

Did we expect starving Somalians to stand passively on their beaches, paddling in our nuclear waste, and watch us snatch their fish to eat in restaurants in London and Paris and Rome? We didn't act on those crimes - but when some of the fishermen responded by disrupting the transit-corridor for 20 percent of the world's oil supply, we begin to shriek about "evil." If we really want to deal with piracy, we need to stop its root cause - our crimes - before we send in the gun-boats to root out Somalia's criminals.

The story of the 2009 war on piracy was best summarised by another pirate, who lived and died in the fourth century BC. He was captured and brought to Alexander the Great, who demanded to know "what he meant by keeping possession of the sea." The pirate smiled, and responded: "What you mean by seizing the whole earth; but because I do it with a petty ship, I am called a robber, while you, who do it with a great fleet, are called emperor." Once again, our great imperial fleets sail in today - but who is the robber?


Johann Hari is a writer for the Independent newspaper.

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Nobody gives a damn about the whole African continent. Not even black people.

That is why we can expect massive suffering in our own lives because we negate and deny the basic truth that we are all connected and everyones suffering and basic needs are connected.
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You've got a whole continent inhabited with people who have an IQ of 60 to 70. What can you do about them? The happiest time in their memory was when white people ran their countries, but the white people were driven out and now they suffer from their own stupidity. They've even gone back to eating the pygmies.
You can call me a bigot or whatever you like, but the truth is the truth.

I tried to talk one of my black friends into going to africa to try to take over a country . He wouldn't even consider it because of what he would be giving up in the US. Have you ever heard of black americans organizing relief and aid for Africa? Hell no. They're too busy taking care of Nr 1.
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this story makes me hate the white man even more.
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Nobody gives a damn about the whole African continent. Not even black people.

That is why we can expect massive suffering in our own lives because we negate and deny the basic truth that we are all connected and everyones suffering and basic needs are connected.



You've got a whole continent inhabited with people who have an IQ of 60 to 70. What can you do about them? The happiest time in their memory was when white people ran their countries, but the white people were driven out and now they suffer from their own stupidity. They've even gone back to eating the pygmies.
You can call me a bigot or whatever you like, but the truth is the truth.

I tried to talk one of my black friends into going to africa to try to take over a country . He wouldn't even consider it because of what he would be giving up in the US. Have you ever heard of black americans organizing relief and aid for Africa? Hell no. They're too busy taking care of Nr 1.
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There is some truth in what you say but it does not negate the greater truth that we are our brothers keeper and should never treat others in a harmful or neglectful way!
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Nobody gives a damn about the whole African continent. Not even black people.

That is why we can expect massive suffering in our own lives because we negate and deny the basic truth that we are all connected and everyones suffering and basic needs are connected.



You've got a whole continent inhabited with people who have an IQ of 60 to 70. What can you do about them? The happiest time in their memory was when white people ran their countries, but the white people were driven out and now they suffer from their own stupidity. They've even gone back to eating the pygmies.
You can call me a bigot or whatever you like, but the truth is the truth.

I tried to talk one of my black friends into going to africa to try to take over a country . He wouldn't even consider it because of what he would be giving up in the US. Have you ever heard of black americans organizing relief and aid for Africa? Hell no. They're too busy taking care of Nr 1.
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those same white rulers are the ones sabotaging the entire country now you piece of shit. and your black friends are nothing but coons because i would have killed you by now. who the fuck do you think is gonna waltz into a country and try to take over but a white man with a god complex set on enslaving people? most humans cannot properly handle being in a powerful position without becoming corrupt. the best time in africa's history was when black people ruled their countries and your ancestors were in the caucus mountains raping goats.
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Nobody gives a damn about the whole African continent. Not even black people.

That is why we can expect massive suffering in our own lives because we negate and deny the basic truth that we are all connected and everyones suffering and basic needs are connected.



You've got a whole continent inhabited with people who have an IQ of 60 to 70.
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you bitch ass muthafucka africa is the origin of ALL common knowledge including the metric system and astrology!!
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THESE ARE THE KIND OF CRIMINALS THAT SHOULD SIT IN GUANTANAMO -

DUMPING WASTE and KILLING OUR OCEANS!!




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Confirmed from Italian News
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MAFIA ACCUSED OVER NUCLEAR WASTE



Tuesday, 09 Oct 2007 10:19


[link to www.inthenews.co.uk]

A Mafia clan linked to six blood feud murders

is being investigated for the alleging trafficking of Nuclear waste

and plutonium production, reports claim.



Two members of the 'Ndrangheta mafia, a Calabrian clan,

are accused of shipping radioactive waste to Somalia,

along with eight former employees of state energy research


agency Enea, the Guardian reports.

Francesco Basentini, a magistrate from the southern town
of Potenza, is investigating claims that the mob men were
paid off
by the Enea staff, taking shipments of waste from
the agency's centre in Rotondella, Basilicata,
in the 1980s and 1990s.

The allegations were made by a 'Ndrangheta turncoat,
who claims an Enea manager paid the two clan members
to dispose of some 600 drums of nuclear waste,
with 500 shipped to Somalia and 100 buried in Basilicata

(the 'Ndrangheta being unwilling to bury the waste in
Calabria due to "love of their home region").

An anonymous Enea manager denied the turncoat's allegations, saying:
"Enea has always worked within the rules and under
strict national and international supervision."

The 'Ndrangheta clan are accused of exploiting links

with Colombia to become Europe's biggest cocaine importer
,

while the August shooting of six Italians in Germany has

been linked to a blood feud with a rival clan from San Luca, Calabria.


Nicola Gratteri, the magistrate investigating the murders,

argued that nuclear waste disposal and even the production

of plutonium would not be an unlikely activity for the
'Ndrangheta, the Guardian quoted him as saying.



"The 'Ndrangheta has no morals and, if there is money
in an activity, it will have no problem getting involved,
even nuclear waste," he said.

However, he complained the European police forces had a lax
attitude to clans like the 'Ndrangheta or the Sicilian Cosa Nostra.


"The mafias were the first to take advantage of Europe's
disappearing frontiers," he said,

"but when I go to Germany I see they have not introduced the crime of mafia association
and do not allow wire taps in public places.


"I'm tired of round tables and conventions; what we need is more courage," he added.



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. . HENCE WHY THE MILITARY IS THERE - SEE THE POLITICAL AND DANGEROUS SITUATION HERE?!?!?!



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Evidence of How Israel was Provoking to Start the 6-Day War (videos they pulled after I posted this UN-testimony)

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"IT IS THE ABSOLUTE RESPONSIBILITY OF EVERYBODY IN UNIFORM TO DISOBEY AN ORDER THAT IS EITHER ILLEGAL OR IMMORAL"
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I thought you were referring to the Pittsburgh Pirates.

They really need some good pitching this year.


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I think we're being lied to about the Rangers and Astros, too!

I demand an inquiry and formal investigation!
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THESE ARE THE KIND OF CRIMINALS THAT SHOULD SIT IN GUANTANAMO -

DUMPING WASTE and KILLING OUR OCEANS!!
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'TOXIC WASTE BEHIND SOMALI PIRACY'
By Najad Abdullahi

Somali pirates have accused European firms of dumping toxic waste
off the Somali coast and are demanding an $8m ransom
for the return of a Ukranian ship they captured,
saying the money will go towards cleaning up the waste.

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The ransom demand is a means of
"reacting to the toxic waste that has been continually dumped on the shores of our country for nearly 20 years",
Januna Ali Jama, a spokesman for the pirates,
based in the semi-autonomous region of Puntland, said.

"The Somali coastline has been destroyed,
and we believe this money is nothing compared to the
devastation that we have seen on the seas."

The pirates are holding the MV Faina, a Ukrainian ship
carrying tanks and military hardware, off Somalia's
northern coast.

According to the International Maritime Bureau, 61 attacks
by pirates have been reported since the start of the year.

While money is the primary objective of the hijackings,
claims of the continued environmental destruction off
Somalia's coast have been largely ignored by the regions's
maritime authorities.

Dumping allegations

Ahmedou Ould-Abdallah, the UN envoy for Somalia confirmed
to Al Jazeera the world body has "reliable information"
hat European and Asian companies are dumping toxic waste,
including nuclear waste, off the Somali coastline.

"I must stress however, that no government has endorsed
this act, and that private companies and individuals
acting alone are responsible," he said



Allegations of the dumping of toxic waste,
as well as illegal fishing, have circulated since the early 1990s.

But evidence of such practices literally appeared on the
beaches of northern Somalia when the tsunami of 2004 hit the country.

The UN Environment Programme (UNEP) reported the tsunami
had washed up rusting containers of toxic waste on the
shores of Puntland.

Nick Nuttall, a UNEP spokesman, told Al Jazeera that when
the barrels were smashed open by the force of the waves, the containers exposed a "frightening activity" that has
been going on for more than decade.

"Somalia has been used as a dumping ground for hazardous
waste starting in the early 1990s, and continuing through
the civil war there," he said.

"European companies found it to be very cheap to get rid of
the waste, costing as little as $2.50 a tonne, where waste
disposal costs in Europe are something like $1000 a tonne.

"And the waste is many different kinds.

There is uranium radioactive waste.

There is lead, and

heavy metals like cadmium and mercury.

There is also industrial waste,

and there are hospital wastes, chemical wastes


you name it."

Nuttall also said that since the containers came ashore
hundreds of residents have fallen ill,
suffering from mouth and abdominal bleeding,
skin infections and other ailments.


"We [the UNEP] had planned to do a proper,
in-depth scientific assessment on the magnitude of the problem.

But because of the high levels of insecurity onshore
and off the Somali coast, we are unable to carry out an
accurate assessment of the extent of the problem," he said.

However, Ould-Abdallah claims the practice still continues.

"What is most alarming here is that nuclear waste is being dumped.
Radioactive uranium waste that is potentially killing Somalis
and completely destroying the ocean,"
he said.


Toxic waste

Ould-Abdallah declined to name which companies
are involved in waste dumping
, citing legal reasons.


But he did say the practice helps fuel the 18-year-old
civil war in Somalia as companies are paying Somali
government ministers to dump their waste,

or to secure licences and contracts.

"There is no government control ...
and there are few people with high moral ground ...
[and] yes, people in high positions are being paid off,


but because of the fragility of the TFG [Transitional Federal Government],
some of these companies now no longer ask the authorities –
they simply dump their waste and leave."

Ould-Abdallah said there are ethical questions to be
considered because the companies are negotiating
contracts with a government that is largely divided
along tribal lines.

"How can you negotiate these dealings with a country at war
and with a government struggling to remain relevant?"


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In 1992, a contract to secure the dumping of toxic waste
was made by Swiss and Italian shipping firms Achair Partners and Progresso,


with Nur Elmi Osman, a former official
appointed to the government of Ali Mahdi Mohamed,
one of many militia leaders involved in the ousting
of Mohamed Siad Barre, Somalia's former president.

At the request of the Swiss and Italian governments,
UNEP investigated the matter.

Both firms had denied entering into any agreement with
militia leaders at the beginning of the Somali civil war.

Osman also denied signing any contract.

.

'Mafia involvement'

However, Mustafa Tolba, the former UNEP executive director,
told Al Jazeera that he discovered the firms were set up as
fictitious companies by larger industrial firms to dispose
of hazardous waste.

"At the time, it felt like we were dealing with the Mafia,
or some sort of organised crime group, possibly working
with these industrial firms," he said.

Nations have found it difficult to tackle
the problem of piracy [AFP]

"It was very shady, and quite underground,
and I would agree with Ould-Abdallah’s claims that it is
still going on...

Unfortunately the war has not allowed environmental groups to investigate this fully."

The Italian mafia controls an estimated 30 per cent
of Italy's waste disposal companies, including those
that deal with toxic waste.


In 1998, Famiglia Cristiana, an Italian weekly magazine, claimed that although most of the waste-dumping took place
after the start of the civil war in 1991, the activity
actually began as early as 1989 under the Barre government.

Beyond the ethical question of trying to secure a hazardous
waste agreement in an unstable country like Somalia,
the alleged attempt by Swiss and Italian firms to dump
waste in Somalia would violate international treaties
to which both countries are signatories.

Legal ramifications

Switzerland and Italy signed and ratified the Basel
Convention on the Control of Transboundary Movements
of Hazardous Wastes and their Disposal,
which came into force in 1992.

EU member states, as well as 168 other countries have also signed the agreement.

The convention prohibits waste trade between countries
that have signed the convention, as well as countries
that have not signed the accord unless a bilateral
agreement had been negotiated.

It is also prohibits the shipping of hazardous waste to a war zone.


Abdi Ismail Samatar, professor of Geography at the
University of Minnesota, told Al Jazeera that because
an international coalition of warships has been deployed
to the Gulf of Aden, the alleged dumping of waste must
have been observed.

Environmental damage

"If these acts are continuing, then surely they must have
been seen by someone involved in maritime operations,"
he said.

"Is the cargo aimed at a certain destination more important
than monitoring illegal activities in the region?

Piracy is not the only problem for Somalia,
and I think it's irresponsible on the part of the
authorities to overlook this issue."

Mohammed Gure, chairman of the Somalia Concern Group,
said that the social and environmental consequences will
be felt for decades.


"The Somali coastline used to sustain hundreds of thousands of people,
as a source of food and livelihoods.

Now much of it is almost destroyed, primarily at the hands
of these so-called ministers that have sold their nation
to fill their own pockets."

Ould-Abdallah said piracy will not prevent waste dumping.

"The intentions of these pirates are not concerned
with protecting their environment," he said.

"What is ultimately needed is a functioning,
effective government that will get its act together
and take control of its affairs."

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Excellent work friend thanks for the research support of this article!
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I thought you were referring to the Pittsburgh Pirates.

They really need some good pitching this year.


They are always in need of one of the following:

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I think we're being lied to about the Rangers and Astros, too!

I demand an inquiry and formal investigation!
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I also agree that there is some sort of bullshit going on over there. A couple of ships should be able to radar 100s of miles over there. Coupled with the fact that they can lock-on and blow the piss outta anything around. The dumping story is probably true in alot of places but it seems odd that NOW they want to place 2 dozen ships over there and just now another gets hijacked--WTF--What are they doing there just watching them ?? Just blow the shit outta couple of boats--keep some hand fired missles on board with someone who can fire them . No problems. Heard that they were hiring Mercs to go on the ships that travel that way also.. So copping another ship 5 days ago seems quite odd..
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"Does he have photographic evidence of the toxic waste?"

This is a breaking story and I have not seen pics yet, but he is a reliable journalists and this story has been verified in Europe.
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Actually an old story. Toxic waste was stired up near the Somali coast after the 2004 Tsunami.
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I don't think anyone on this board is surprised that we are being lied to once again.

That is all we are getting from all directions except for our fellow brothers and sisters who seek truth.

We are indeed being controlled and our very will being subverted buy the elites as they glean the wealth we create from out from under us!
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. . grassroots protection movement = It got to the United Nations Security Council, and it was ignored.
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Evidence of How Israel was Provoking to Start the 6-Day War (videos they pulled after I posted this UN-testimony)

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"IT IS THE ABSOLUTE RESPONSIBILITY OF EVERYBODY IN UNIFORM TO DISOBEY AN ORDER THAT IS EITHER ILLEGAL OR IMMORAL"
- General Peter Pace, chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff addressing the National Press Club, Feb 17/06
"Command Override"
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NO NEWSPAPER SAID THEY WOULD USE THE RANSOM TO CLEAN UP THE SHIT?! Did they?!

OR mentioned that it was IGNORED BY THE UNITED NATIONS - ITS A JOKE!


HUGE Corporatioins bribe the governments..
its ECONOMIC TERRORISM on government level.

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"IT IS THE ABSOLUTE RESPONSIBILITY OF EVERYBODY IN UNIFORM TO DISOBEY AN ORDER THAT IS EITHER ILLEGAL OR IMMORAL"
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@ the title... WE ARE BEING LIED TO ABOUT PRETTY MUCH EVERYTHING IMHO!!!
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Who imagined that in 2009, the world's governments would be declaring a new War on Pirates?
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Hey, wait a minute. Pirates are the good guys in English and American traditions. It is not something to worry about but be proud about. It is time to them to enjoy what they praise.
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my five year old daughter wants to be a pirate too





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