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Another AC posted links to 3 articles and a map...and I think there needs to be some conversation over the links. They have to do with gas fields off Gaza. Interesting stuff.

What I found most curious, besides the articles, is that the GAIAs and the Grizzled Old Goat (GOG) chimed in and then chimed out...poof! They seem to be hoping these little articles will just disappear?

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Another reason why Israhell attacks Gaza

A large natural gas field of the Gaza coast...
[link to www.bg-group.com]
[link to greenprophet.com]
[link to www.gulfoilandgas.com]
[link to timesofindia.indiatimes.com]


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I'm taking the liberty to post the articles in a new thread. Perhaps the title of the thread won't be quite as off-putting as the original one, and more might be interested in reading it? We shall see. I'll start with the link to the map, and then the oldest article...

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[link to www.bg-group.com]
BRITISH GROUP
Israel and areas of Palestinian Authority Operations Map
Gas


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[link to www.gulfoilandgas.com]

BG, PA in gas deal without Israel

Source: United Press 7/21/2005, Location: Africa
Gas Processing

Israel is not expected to participate in the construction of a proposed pipeline transporting Palestinian liquid gas from a gas field on the Gaza coast to El Arish in Egypt. Following recent significant gas discoveries in areas of the Palestinian Authority by British Gas, the Palestinian Authority and Egypt signed a government protocol in early July to arrange the sales of Palestinian gas to Egypt with exports to global markets to be made in the form of liquid natural gas.

Despite the good news for the Palestinians, some industry experts are skeptical of Israel's silence toward the news. Although it is a partner to the Palestinian Authority in a small gas field to the north of the Gaza Strip, Israel has in the past blocked Palestinian gas export and production agreements. While the proposed pipeline project would export Palestinian liquid gas through Egypt, Israel has chosen to buy gas from Egypt rather than from the Palestinian Authority. "Israel has shown that it is not interested in gas, so the preferred channel for use right now is the Egyptian-Palestinian channel," British Gas Israel Country Manager Eric Ludtke told reporters. Palestinian Energy Minister Azzam Shawa said Friday there is a possibility of a swap deal with Israel, involving the supply of Gaza gas in return for electricity.

On July 1, Israeli Infrastructure Minister Binyamin Ben Eliezer and Egyptian Oil Minister Sameh Fahmi signed a separate deal worth $2.5 billion to receive 1.4 billion cubic yards of gas from Egypt for the next 15 years. Under the agreement, a maritime pipeline will transport Egyptian gas to Israel's Mediterranean port of Ashkelon. Although gas from Gaza is the most cost-effective alternative, Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon is opposed to it for political reasons. Industry experts said Israel preferred gas from Egypt to the joint bid made by the Palestinian Authority and British Gas since any cash flow to the Palestinian Authority would end up bankrolling terrorist operations against Israel. The gas deal could assist the struggling Palestinian economy as it seeks statehood. In addition to creating jobs in Gaza, the Palestinian Authority expects to earn $40 million to $45 million in taxes annually from the deal.

The Gaza Marine gas field has a reserve capacity of approximately 1.2 trillion cubic feet and investments for development require $400 million. Test drills five ago discovered gas production economically feasible. The proposed Gaza-El Arish pipeline would supply a minimum of 1.5 billion cubic yards annually for 50 years. If the project goes through, operations could begin in late 2009 or early 2010. .

BG, which first struck gas in this area with its Gaza Marine-1 well in August 1999, has signed a 25-year contract to explore for gas and set up a gas network in the Palestinian Authority. The company is the operator of the exploration license covering the entire marine area offshore the Gaza Strip; BG owns the drilling rights to the fields. Following successful drilling, the Palestinian Authority approved an outline development plan for the Gaza Marine field area in 2002. BG owns a 90 percent stake in the license, which will be reduced to 60 percent after Consolidated Contractors Company and the Palestine Investment Fund exercise their options. .

BG said it also plans to begin test drills in September at the Noa Darom field near the Israel-Gaza offshore border while looking to use the $120 million Yam Thetis pipeline to transport gas to the Palestinian power plant in Gaza, replacing the energy supplied by an Israeli electric company. The field is relatively small with only 3.7 billion cubic yards of gas. Gas usage is projected to substantially slash power production costs in Gaza.
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No RS I think it is the cows (methane) more than likely. LMAO
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GoG might have had better things to do than arguing with the antisemitic tards.

Get it straight UMMKAYY

stop the rockets and suicide bombers then everything will be OK.
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Natural Gas Alternative For the Middle East

Jul 27th, 2008 by Maurice Picow

“If the Israeli government can ever formulate a binding peace accord with the Palestinians, both entities could have access to enough natural gas reserves to satisfy their energy needs for at least 100 years.”

This statement was made a few years back by a representative of British Gas, one of the world’s largest energy exploration and development companies specializing in finding and developing natural gas fields, including offshore ones in bodies of water such as the Mediterranean Sea.

Such a gas field has been discovered in the Eastern Mediterranean, with the major portion located about 50 kilometers off the coast of Gaza, Another smaller gas field is located a similar distance off Israel’s northern port city, Haifa; but it is much smaller than the Gaza gas field.

British Gas, usually known as BG, had offices based in Israel for several years, with the main purpose of working out an arrangement in which Israel would supply electricity, petroleum products and other needed energy supplies to the Palestinians in return for the right to produce natural gas from the main Gaza field. Although this barter arrangement sounded good in principle, political realities, especially following the take over of Gaza by Hamas in 2006, virtually shelved this idea, and the Israeli government wound up making another natural gas supply deal with Egypt, much to the chagrin of BG who saw their entire 5 year venture in Israel go down the drain.

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Who knows they might have their dirty fingers even in the Ukrainian-Russian gas conflict that miraculously is escalating at the same time, there are no coincidences.
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Who knows they might have their dirty fingers even in the Ukrainian-Russian gas conflict that miraculously is escalating at the same time, there are no coincidences.
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FF:
Howdy there!

I tend to think they do. It's just a hunch. After all, they wanted the oil out of Mosul, didn't they? Gads, I've got to refresh my memory on all that stuff. Eretz Yisroel is a mighty big place, and it encompasses a lot of ENERGY resources.
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FF:
Howdy there!

I tend to think they do. It's just a hunch. After all, they wanted the oil out of Mosul, didn't they? Gads, I've got to refresh my memory on all that stuff. Eretz Yisroel is a mighty big place, and it encompasses a lot of ENERGY resources.
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Hey there dear!

Good that you are covering the energy facet of the world domination struggle, I missed that so far, it's a very important piece of the puzzle ...
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As I mentioned on the other thread, this just gets "curiouser and curiouser" ...

[link to timesofindia.indiatimes.com]

Gas deal, coming polls behind military operations in Gaza?

5 Jan 2009, 0032 hrs IST, Subodh Varma , TNN

Even as the massive aerial attack by Israel on Gaza entered its fourth day, and the number of deaths mounted to nearly 400, the question troubling people across the world is: what does Israel hope to gain out of this? Officially, the Israeli defense minister has said that it will be a fight to the finish, implying that they want to physically finish off Hamas, the ruling organization in Gaza.

But, as the 2006 invasion of south Lebanon showed, the chances of this happening are remote. In Lebanon, the objective was to finish off Hezbollah. What happened was quite the reverse — Hezbollah emerged wounded but a hero in the eyes of the Arab people, strengthening its position in Lebanon. So what is the endgame in Gaza?

Two factors that are not being talked about much, but have figured prominently in the Israeli calculus are: natural gas and the upcoming elections to the Israeli Knesset, their parliament.

Gaza is a small strip of land on the Mediterranean Sea. Its territorial waters extend to about 35km off the coast. In 1999, the oil firm BG International discovered a huge deposit of natural gas 32km from the Gaza coast. The Gaza Marine gas field contains 1.2 trillion cubic feet of gas valued at over $4 billion. As per the Oslo peace accords, which created Gaza, Israel has security control over air and water around Gaza. So, it wrangled a deal with BG to get access to Gaza Marine gas at cheap rates.

But before the deal could go through, Hamas won the elections to the Palestinian Legislative Council in 2006. This sparked off a bitter power struggle between Hamas and the pro-west Fatah. Ultimately, the Palestinian Authority split in 2007, with Hamas taking control of Gaza and Fatah taking control of West Bank. One of the first things that Hamas did after getting elected was to declare that the natural gas deal would have to be renegotiated.


Then began the Israeli blockade of Gaza, which prevented much required food and medicines from reaching the hapless Gazans. Crammed into about 360 sq km, 1.5 million Gazans saw their lives crumble into dust. To get food and medicines, Gazans built tunnels under the Israeli barriers, and once even broke through on the Egyptian side. But the Israeli and Egyptian army tamped them down.

It appears that the current Israeli move is to try and turn the Gazans against Hamas, paving the way for a more pliable administration, so that the gas deal will go through. Reports from Israel indicate that preparations for this attack were underway since several months ago, with the ceasefire offered by Israel being just a ploy to lull Hamas.

In addition, the coming elections in Israel are predicted to see a tough challenge to the Kadima party-led government of Ehud Olmert by the hardline Likud party, led by Benjamin Netahnyu. Even within Kadima, Olmert is facing a challenge from foreign minister Tzipi Livni. Olmert has come under much criticism for the botched invasion of Lebanon in 2006. Many see the Gaza attack as an attempt by Olmert to revitalize his position within Israel.
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GoG might have had better things to do than arguing with the antisemitic tards.

Get it straight UMMKAYY

stop the rockets and suicide bombers then everything will be OK.
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I didn't disappear. I DO have other things to do other than watching the confused appeasers clutching at straws though..
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I didn't disappear. I DO have other things to do other than watching the confused appeasers clutching at straws though..
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Thanks for the bump, GOAT.
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I find it interesting that the Israel-firsters haven't said much about this thread or the original AC's thread.
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What I found most curious, besides the articles, is that the GAIAs and the Grizzled Old Goat (GOG) chimed in and then chimed out...poof! They seem to be hoping these little articles will just disappear?

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GAIA very rarely posts in any threads except her own threads. seeing her post in that thread makes you feel she knows there is something to this and she tried to deflect attention away from the information.

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Shut up 'tard. Thank you Red. This is all making what's happening make sense.
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Then again it may have something to do with the Hamas charter...Hamas' charter calls for the destruction of the State of Israel and its replacement with a Palestinian Islamic state in the area that is now Israel
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
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Peanuts compared to the response. You play both sides don't you? Go to a jesuit school?
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Israel seems to be making a run for petroleum, The resent Georgia conflict was for a pipeline for the joint Israel/Iran pipeline company.

I wonder if they know something or they just want to get this done while Bush is still in office.

I've also read Gaza was about fresh water a long time ago.
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Then again it may have something to do with the Hamas charter...Hamas' charter calls for the destruction of the State of Israel and its replacement with a Palestinian Islamic state in the area that is now Israel
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MATHETES:
But that's not what this thread is about, now is it? The original AC's links tend to show that there could very well be something else going on here, and it has to do with the gas fields off the coast of the Gaza Strip.

It wouldn't be the first time something like this has come up, either. We attacked the Taliban in 2001, but the preparations for that attack began in the summer of 2001...months before the fateful and horrific attacks on 9/11. Why were we prepping to go after the Taliban that summer? Because they changed their minds on a trans-Afghanistan pipeline.
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GOG and Gaia won't try to explain the USS Liberty incident and how that is not terrorism. They're blinded by their own stupidity.

Good post, and there are no doubts in my mind that this is just a piece of it.
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Then again it may have something to do with the Hamas charter...Hamas' charter calls for the destruction of the State of Israel and its replacement with a Palestinian Islamic state in the area that is now Israel
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True!

"Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it."

From the Hamas Charter - link to full text:
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I find it interesting that the Israel-firsters haven't said much about this thread or the original AC's thread.
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What's to say? It's pure speculation on your part - backed up by nothing. Also, it flies in the face of what's actually happening - if Israel was planning to grab Gaza, they have had plenty of OPPORTUNITY and JUSTIFICATION - but have not, and are not..
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Israel seems to be making a run for petroleum, The resent Georgia conflict was for a pipeline for the joint Israel/Iran pipeline company.

I wonder if they know something or they just want to get this done while Bush is still in office.

I've also read Gaza was about fresh water a long time ago.
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I'd read that the attacks on Lebanon were because of fresh water and control over the Wazzani river and the Litani.
[link to www.independent.co.uk]
2002
...There's no war yet, just a mass of piping that the Lebanese are laying along the Lebanese side of the Israeli frontier wire to carry the warm waters of the river to another bunch of dirt-poor Shia Muslim villages. The trouble is that the Wazzani flows right out of Lebanon and into Israel, where it feeds the fish-farm lakes of four Jewish kibbutzes. ...


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ICE studies
Case Name: Litani River and Israel-Lebanon
1. Abstract
In the Middle East, the supply of water is much less than its demand, thereby resulting in conflict over it. This is true for Israel and Lebanon, where there have been struggles, although not always armed, for the waters of the Litani River. At this point, Israel occupies southern Lebanon. Part of the Litani is located in this region. There are conflicting reports and conclusions over whether or not Israel is using the Litani. There is also a verbal struggle over which country needs the Litani more, could make best use of it, and who, therefore, should develop their use of the Litani. Although there is not an armed struggle over it now, it has been involved in armed struggles in the past (in the 1967 war, and in 1982) and it is conceivable that in the future the struggles over it may become armed. ...
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What's to say? It's pure speculation on your part - backed up by nothing. Also, it flies in the face of what's actually happening - if Israel was planning to grab Gaza, they have had plenty of OPPORTUNITY and JUSTIFICATION - but have not, and are not..
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Have not? Are not? Um...where have you been for the last couple of weeks?
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You will also notice 2-3 others following them, and IF you forum hop.... Yes, you will see the same pics, near same names/attitudes on MANY sites. lol





Another AC posted links to 3 articles and a map...and I think there needs to be some conversation over the links. They have to do with gas fields off Gaza. Interesting stuff.

What I found most curious, besides the articles, is that the GAIAs and the Grizzled Old Goat (GOG) chimed in and then chimed out...poof! They seem to be hoping these little articles will just disappear?

I dunno.


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But all props to the originating AC...and here's the link to his thread:
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Another reason why Israhell attacks Gaza

A large natural gas field of the Gaza coast...
[link to www.bg-group.com]
[link to greenprophet.com]
[link to www.gulfoilandgas.com]
[link to timesofindia.indiatimes.com]


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I'm taking the liberty to post the articles in a new thread. Perhaps the title of the thread won't be quite as off-putting as the original one, and more might be interested in reading it? We shall see. I'll start with the link to the map, and then the oldest article...

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[link to www.bg-group.com]
BRITISH GROUP
Israel and areas of Palestinian Authority Operations Map
Gas


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[link to www.gulfoilandgas.com]

BG, PA in gas deal without Israel

Source: United Press 7/21/2005, Location: Africa
Gas Processing

Israel is not expected to participate in the construction of a proposed pipeline transporting Palestinian liquid gas from a gas field on the Gaza coast to El Arish in Egypt. Following recent significant gas discoveries in areas of the Palestinian Authority by British Gas, the Palestinian Authority and Egypt signed a government protocol in early July to arrange the sales of Palestinian gas to Egypt with exports to global markets to be made in the form of liquid natural gas.

Despite the good news for the Palestinians, some industry experts are skeptical of Israel's silence toward the news. Although it is a partner to the Palestinian Authority in a small gas field to the north of the Gaza Strip, Israel has in the past blocked Palestinian gas export and production agreements. While the proposed pipeline project would export Palestinian liquid gas through Egypt, Israel has chosen to buy gas from Egypt rather than from the Palestinian Authority. "Israel has shown that it is not interested in gas, so the preferred channel for use right now is the Egyptian-Palestinian channel," British Gas Israel Country Manager Eric Ludtke told reporters. Palestinian Energy Minister Azzam Shawa said Friday there is a possibility of a swap deal with Israel, involving the supply of Gaza gas in return for electricity.

On July 1, Israeli Infrastructure Minister Binyamin Ben Eliezer and Egyptian Oil Minister Sameh Fahmi signed a separate deal worth $2.5 billion to receive 1.4 billion cubic yards of gas from Egypt for the next 15 years. Under the agreement, a maritime pipeline will transport Egyptian gas to Israel's Mediterranean port of Ashkelon. Although gas from Gaza is the most cost-effective alternative, Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon is opposed to it for political reasons. Industry experts said Israel preferred gas from Egypt to the joint bid made by the Palestinian Authority and British Gas since any cash flow to the Palestinian Authority would end up bankrolling terrorist operations against Israel. The gas deal could assist the struggling Palestinian economy as it seeks statehood. In addition to creating jobs in Gaza, the Palestinian Authority expects to earn $40 million to $45 million in taxes annually from the deal.

The Gaza Marine gas field has a reserve capacity of approximately 1.2 trillion cubic feet and investments for development require $400 million. Test drills five ago discovered gas production economically feasible. The proposed Gaza-El Arish pipeline would supply a minimum of 1.5 billion cubic yards annually for 50 years. If the project goes through, operations could begin in late 2009 or early 2010. .

BG, which first struck gas in this area with its Gaza Marine-1 well in August 1999, has signed a 25-year contract to explore for gas and set up a gas network in the Palestinian Authority. The company is the operator of the exploration license covering the entire marine area offshore the Gaza Strip; BG owns the drilling rights to the fields. Following successful drilling, the Palestinian Authority approved an outline development plan for the Gaza Marine field area in 2002. BG owns a 90 percent stake in the license, which will be reduced to 60 percent after Consolidated Contractors Company and the Palestine Investment Fund exercise their options. .

BG said it also plans to begin test drills in September at the Noa Darom field near the Israel-Gaza offshore border while looking to use the $120 million Yam Thetis pipeline to transport gas to the Palestinian power plant in Gaza, replacing the energy supplied by an Israeli electric company. The field is relatively small with only 3.7 billion cubic yards of gas. Gas usage is projected to substantially slash power production costs in Gaza.
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Like the north wanted to free the slaves
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Like Samolia had Alkayduh
Like Iraq had WMD
Like Afghanistan had Osama
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If you owned land and someone kicked you off of it, wouldn't you be pissed? Surely... :cough 67:

You may say, hey, they won it. I say hey, I've seen a 42 year fucking war. Because we all know, it never truly stopped.

However, in the aspect of "that's war". Yes, yes it is, no arguments there. It's time for them to shit or get off of the pot, either side as I don't give a shit. Just tired of hearing lies and drama 24/7



Then again it may have something to do with the Hamas charter...Hamas' charter calls for the destruction of the State of Israel and its replacement with a Palestinian Islamic state in the area that is now Israel
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If it is speculation, then it is being speculated upon by more than just this obscure forum as the Times of India link indicates.



This sheds a little more light on Israel's possible (probable IMO) motives for this latest aggression. As the linked articles indicate, Oslo gave Israel control over the water (and presumably what's underneath it), but Hamas upset their apple cart and then the blockade was put in place.

Good sleuthing Original AC, and way to run with the ball Redhead!
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Let's see, when did the 'real conflict' start there.

1800 BC Abraham migrates to Canaan according to Jewish tradition.

1300 BC Migration and conquest of Canaan by the Philistines and Israelite tribes. Map of Canaan.



So that's what, 3310 years of conflict off/on. Only difference between now and then, one is still throwing stones...
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If it is speculation, then it is being speculated upon by more than just this obscure forum as the Times of India link indicates.



This sheds a little more light on Israel's possible (probable IMO) motives for this latest aggression. As the linked articles indicate, Oslo gave Israel control over the water (and presumably what's underneath it), but Hamas upset their apple cart and then the blockade was put in place.

Good sleuthing Original AC, and way to run with the ball Redhead!
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Thanks. I don't know who the sleuthing AC is, but I gotta hand it to him/her for putting such a theory together and backing it with hard articles. When I started reading that AC's links, Yowza! All sorts of things started making sense.
"Until you are willing to organize your friends and neighbors and literally shut down cities - drive at 5mph through the streets of major cities on the freeway and stop commerce, refuse to show up for work, refuse to borrow and spend more than you make, show up in Washington DC with a million of your neighbors and literally shut down The Capitol you WILL be bent over the table on a daily basis." Karl Denninger

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"Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it."
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Please share for us who may not know, what countries / race / state has Islam done away with and when?
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I find it interesting that the Israel-firsters haven't said much about this thread or the original AC's thread.


What's to say? It's pure speculation on your part - backed up by nothing. Also, it flies in the face of what's actually happening - if Israel was planning to grab Gaza, they have had plenty of OPPORTUNITY and JUSTIFICATION - but have not, and are not..
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Not, have not and are not. they CANNOT.
they have failed again.

their objective was regime change. and they overestimated themselves again. just like they did in Leb.
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Israel seems to be making a run for petroleum, The resent Georgia conflict was for a pipeline for the joint Israel/Iran pipeline company.

I wonder if they know something or they just want to get this done while Bush is still in office.

I've also read Gaza was about fresh water a long time ago.
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I'm trying to find the article, but back in the early years of our invasion of Iraq, Bechtel was awarded a huge contract to rebuild an old pipeline that ran from the northern oil fields of Iraq. The line had been diverted to Syria decades ago, but the new contract was to redirect it to Haifa.

What was crazy about that article was that it stated that a Memorandum of Understanding had been signed by Henry Kissinger in 1975, and renewed EVERY FIVE YEARS since then...with special legislation attached whereby the US stocks a strategic oil reserve for Israel --- even if that meant domestic shortages for the USA. The cost was to be paid by US taxpayers.
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Israel seems to be making a run for petroleum, The resent Georgia conflict was for a pipeline for the joint Israel/Iran pipeline company.

I wonder if they know something or they just want to get this done while Bush is still in office.

I've also read Gaza was about fresh water a long time ago.


I'm trying to find the article, but back in the early years of our invasion of Iraq, Bechtel was awarded a huge contract to rebuild an old pipeline that ran from the northern oil fields of Iraq. The line had been diverted to Syria decades ago, but the new contract was to redirect it to Haifa.

What was crazy about that article was that it stated that a Memorandum of Understanding had been signed by Henry Kissinger in 1975, and renewed EVERY FIVE YEARS since then...with special legislation attached whereby the US stocks a strategic oil reserve for Israel --- even if that meant domestic shortages for the USA. The cost was to be paid by US taxpayers.
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The geopolitical landscape has changed. Think about what will happen to Israel if, the US power declines. How long can they hold out? Keep in mind in a few more years they will have a bigger problem. A demographic atom bomb. The Israeli-Arabs will outnumber the Israeli Jews within this Israel proper.. . Then what? ….





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