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Twin Rotor military vehicles invade Richmond, VA

 
KindaGamey
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Twin Rotor military vehicles invade Richmond, VA
What the hell is this thing?

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One of them divebombed past Willow Lawn and Broad Street in good old Richmond, V.A. It was HUGE, twin rotors on top (can they change position to forward?) very loud.

I just saw two more near our office flying in tandem.

My brother said that he heard there were urban training exercises going on here before they shipped the troops out to terrorize some other country (NOT our own people, we promise!)

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Who gives them the right to do this?

The city has to agree? Air Traffic Control? Or do they get TOLD to comply?
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mTs

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looks like you should hide
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bump

bumping myself only so that this thread will show up in 'your active threads' otherwise i can't ever find the stupid things.
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I forgot the name but the last I heard it was a prototype and not in active duty
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That is an Osprey.

Yes it can point the rotors forward.

This aircraft had a very troubled development history.
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KindaGamey  (OP)

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That is an Osprey.

Yes it can point the rotors forward.

This aircraft had a very troubled development history.
 Quoting: G. House


> This aircraft had a very troubled development history.

And they fly it over an urban population? Nice!

thanks for the answer.
right on the nose.

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The Navy and Marines use them.Helis been flying over North western Va. along with C130s a lot lately.
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That's just both pictures in one with a nicer, more descriptive link ospreyoverrichmond dot jpg
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hmmmm....interesting. Looks like the Pentagon was trying to sneak the funding in for a few of these babies as part of the Global war on Terror back in 2007.

POGO (Project on Government Oversight) sent Senators Levin & McCain a letter thanking them for stopping it.

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It also states that the aircraft is only effective in medium threat environments and basically useless in combat.

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POGO Letter to Senators Levin and McCain regarding the Pentagon request for multiple fixed wing aircraft as part of the FY 2007 Emergency Supplemental Request for the Global War on Terror

March 22, 2007

Honorable Carl Levin, Chairman
U.S. Senate Committee on Armed Services
228 Russell Senate Office Building
Washington , DC 20510

Honorable John McCain, Ranking Member
U.S. Senate Committee on Armed Services
228 Russell Senate Office Building
Washington , DC 20510

Dear Senators Levin and McCain:

The Project On Government Oversight (POGO) would like to commend your efforts to ensure that taxpayer dollars are spent wisely and in an effective manner. We are pleased specifically that you prevailed upon the Pentagon to withdraw its request for multiple fixed wing aircraft such as the CV-22 Osprey and the F-35 Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) as part of the FY 2007 Emergency Supplemental Request for the Global War on Terror (GWOT).1

Although the Pentagon withdrew its request this time, we remain concerned that the pattern of hiding controversial major procurements in war budgets continues. It is clear you need to remain vigilant.

According to the enclosed draft pre-decisional document "Adjustment to the FY 2007 Emergency Supplemental Request," the Air Force plans to defer its request for one CV-22 and two F-35s to the FY 2008 GWOT request.2 Doing so would violate your sound recommendation that these programs be incorporated into the FY 2008 Department of Defense Base Budget and would prevent Congress from being able to effectively oversee these systems. The Joint Strike Fighter is in its infancy and of no use in combat until 2013; and the Osprey remains restricted to medium threat environments, seriously limiting its value to the troops in combat. Not only would these aircraft be of no use to the troops currently in battle, but the funds used to purchase these aircraft are at the expense of urgently needed equipment and funds for the broken medical care system for our wounded.

We would also like to call attention to an additional measure in the FY 2008 GWOT budget request, in which the Air Force has requested five more CV-22 Ospreys and one more F-35. Once again, this request violates the spirit of your efforts to ensure that the Pentagon does not use its war budgets to push forward questionable procurements which are not needed for the war effort.3

History has given POGO reason to be concerned. POGO was deeply disappointed that the FY 2006, Emergency Supplemental Appropriations Act for Defense, the Global War on Terror, and Hurricane Recovery, 2006 (H.R. 4939) transferred funds intended for night vision goggles and other equipment intended for the troops, and added those funds specifically an V-22 Osprey aircraft account.4

As you well know, every dollar expended signifies a choice that is made not to spend it on something else. It would appear that in these cases, the defense industry lobby has been successful in obtaining funds for their clients at the expense of the warfighter. Therefore, we would like to highlight several programs contained in the unfunded priorities lists for FY 2008, submitted by the Army and Marines, the military branches shouldering the vast majority of the Iraq war burden.5

For example, both the Army and Marines have requested funds for additional Mine Resistant Ambush Protection Vehicles (MRAPS) that could save countless lives in Iraq . They have also requested funds to further develop Counter Improvised Explosive Device (C-IED) systems, Counter Sniper threats and for night vision equipment— equipment that would directly improve the safety and well being of our troops abroad.

By removing the high-priced Joint Strike Fighters and Ospreys from the FY 2008 GWOT request, the Congress would make almost $700 million available to fund equipment and health care needs that would actually help the troops. In other words, a majority of the above mentioned programs could be fully funded. We hope that you will take these measures into consideration to ensure our men and women in uniform receive the appropriate gear.

Sincerely,

Danielle Brian
Executive Director

Enclosures
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very interesting~! thanks for that philly goat.
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very interesting~! thanks for that philly goat.
 Quoting: KindaGamey

LOL - Philly Goat
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LOL - Philly Goat
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I wuz just playing. :)

truth
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I thought they were grounded.
KindaGamey  (OP)

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[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Controversy

The V-22's development process has been long and controversial. When the development budget, first projected at $2.5 billion in 1986, increased to $30 billion in 1988, then-Defense Secretary Dick Cheney tried to zero out its funding. He was eventually overruled by Congress. As of September 2007, the Osprey program spent $20 billion over 25 years of development, and will require another $35 billion from the Pentagon before the program is completed.

The V-22 squadron's former commander at Marine Corps Air Station New River, Lieutenant Colonel Odin Lieberman, was relieved of duty in 2001 after allegations that he instructed his unit that they needed to falsify maintenance records to make the plane appear more reliable.

The aircraft is incapable of autorotation in the case of engine failure, a fact that led a director of the Pentagon's testing office in 2005 to say that if the Osprey loses power while flying like a helicopter below 1,600 feet (490 m), emergency landings "are not likely to be survivable". But Captain Justin (Moon) McKinney, a V-22 pilot, says that this will not be a problem, "We can turn it into a plane and glide it down, just like a C-130".[13] A complete loss of power would require the failure of both engines, as a drive shaft connects the nacelles (star trek? -KG) through the wing; one engine can power both proprotors.

It was planned in 2000 to equip all V-22s with a nose-mounted gatling gun, to provide "the V-22 with a strong defensive firepower capability to greatly increase the aircraft's survivability in hostile actions." But the nose gun project was cancelled, leading to criticism by retired Marine Corps Commandant General James L. Jones, who is not satisfied with the current V-22 armament.

With the first combat deployment of the MV-22 in October 2007, Time Magazine ran an article condemning the aircraft as unsafe, overpriced, and completely inadequate. The Marine Corps, however, responded with the assertion that much of the article's data were dated, obsolete, inaccurate, and reflected expectations that ran too high for any new field of aircraft.

The Osprey has provided support in Iraq, racking up some 2000 flight hours over three months with a mission capable availability rate of 68.1% as of late-January 2008. They are primarily used in Iraq's western Anbar province for routine cargo and troop movements, and also for riskier "aero-scout" missions. General David Petraeus, the top U.S. military commander in Iraq, used one to fly around Iraq on Christmas Day 2007 to visit troops. Then-presidential candidate Barack Obama also flew in Ospreys during his high profile 2008 tour of Iraq.

The only major problem has been obtaining the necessary spare parts to maintain the aircraft. Minor problems included the engines wearing quicker than desired, on four occasions V-22s at forward bases were grounded until repairs could be made to the oil cooling systems. As of July 2008, the V-22 had flown 3,000 sorties totaling 5,200 hours in Iraq.

Notable accidents

Main article: Accidents and incidents involving the V-22 Osprey

A U.S. V-22 Osprey tiltrotor aircraft flies a test mission

From 1991 to 2000 there were four significant crashes during testing:[14]

* On 11 June 1991, a mis-wired flight control system led to two minor injuries when the left nacelle struck the ground while the aircraft was hovering 15 feet in the air, causing it to bounce and catch fire.

* On 20 July 1992, a leaking gearbox led to a fire in the right nacelle, causing the aircraft to drop into the Potomac River in front of an audience of Congressmen and other government officials at Quantico, killing all seven on board and grounding the aircraft for 11 months.

* On 8 April 2000, a V-22 loaded with Marines to simulate a rescue, attempted to land at Marana Northwest Regional Airport in Arizona; its right rotor stalled at 245 feet, it rolled over, crashed, and exploded, killing all nineteen on board.

* On 11 December 2000, after a catastrophic hydraulic leak and subsequent instrument failure, a V-22 fell 1,600 feet into a forest in Jacksonville, North Carolina, killing all four aboard.

Since becoming operational in 2006, the V-22 has had seven other notable, but minor incidents.
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v-22 osprey

Marine aircraft to take the place of the ch-46 one day
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That is an Osprey.

Yes it can point the rotors forward.

This aircraft had a very troubled development history.
 Quoting: G. House



A tilt-rotor aircraft to be more specific. While they did have a stall issue during the transition phase between rotary wing flight to fixed wing flight, the have resolved that and the new versions are the wave of the future.

The tilt rotor concept is not new to the Osprey, in fact NASA has been using turbo prop powered tilt-rotors as well.
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There is a civilian tilt-rotor in the works as we speak, the Bell Agusta BA609 Tiltrotor :
[link to www.aerospace-technology.com]

The fact that they can access the same locations as a rotary wing aircraft but get the range of a fixed wing aircraft will make the tilt-rotor the wave of the future.


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