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Evolution: Fact or Belief?

 
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Evolution: Fact or Belief?

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Is the Theory of Evolution a scientific fact or a mere belief? Five world top scientific minds give their answer on Evolution. A ground breaking video sold all round the world, award winning international documentary, now available for all to see.
( 1 hr 13m )
[link to www.noevolution.org]
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01/19/2009 09:55 PM
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...most definitely, 100% fact...i mean i can't count the amount of species morphing (or in the process of morphing) into another species all the the time...first, there is the...and then there is...ah, what the hell are we talking about???...



...children of apes and pigs...
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01/19/2009 09:56 PM
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it is real, i believe, on a conscious level.
"God" said, let us make man in our image.. IMPLYING genetic hybridization
"I awoke only to find, that the rest of the world was still asleep"
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Re: Evolution: Fact or Belief?
I believe in micro, but nothing else.
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macro-evolution.....wishful thinking I'd call it.

micro-evolution is pretty self evident
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The op video shows with controlled lab experiments how sedimentary layers can't be used to date anything.

Also, problems with all elemental dating methods.

And finally that there's just no evidence of any beneficial mutations.
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01/19/2009 10:15 PM
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we are Holograms that take evolutionary steps through light grids lol
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macro-evolution is a theory not a fact and a very weak theory at that since it cannot even be observed. The very thing that even gives it a chance of being probable(anything that does not have zero chance happens 'theory') is the very thing that makes it more likely there is a god, actually makes it 100% likely there is a god. but of course this is too unpalatable for atheist, so back to square one.
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Re: Evolution: Fact or Belief?
Evolution is fact..
For proof all one needs to do is look at Michelle Obama.
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01/20/2009 01:21 AM
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Re: Evolution: Fact or Belief?
Creationism is total crap...

Evolution is crap too.. but its based on a bit of science.. so that elevates it up above creationism.. to a level of a "swiss cheese theory" - full of holes.


This is more of the establishment controlled line of thinking...


If you don't believe in creationism - you must believe in evolution.

If you don't believe in evolution - you must believe in creationism.

I say bullshit to both...

No other theories are allowed to be considered...and that my friends is BAD SCIENCE!
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You know, Britts are inherently snobs. So, they get tickled pink over increases. Increases in anything, power, status, information, dominion.

THAT IS STILL NOT EVOLUTION.
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 Quoting: DrPostman


Evolution is fact
How evolution works is still a belief.
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01/20/2009 04:38 AM
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Re: Evolution: Fact or Belief?
Evolution is neither fact nor is there enough time for it to have happened, as the presentation shows. It is an exclusive belief pushed by the establishment.
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Evolution is neither fact nor is there enough time for it to have happened, as the presentation shows.
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If knowledge at the present is complete, absolute and accurate then you might have a case but as it stands you don't. It means that there's more work to do, not to give up and start a faith.
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Archaeopteryx, along with all perching birds, has what is called a grasping hallux, or hind toe, pointing backwards. Rearward-facing toes may be found in some of the dinosaurs but not a true grasping hallux with curved claws for perching.

Archaeopteryx has a robust wishbone [furcula]. Some recent fascinating studies using moving X-rays of birds as they fly show how the shoulder girdle has to be flexible to cope with the incredible forces of the power-stroke in flight. You can actually see the wishbone flex with each wing-beat.

Archaeopteryx was not the only fossil bird to have had grasping teeth. Some fossil birds had teeth, some didnít. But how can teeth prove a relationship to reptiles, when many reptiles donít have teeth? Crocodiles are really the only group of reptiles that consistently have very well developed teeth. And of course even some mammals have teeth and some donít.

The general consensus now is that the brain is essentially that of a flying bird, with a large cerebellum and visual cortex.

Also, in most vertebrates, including reptiles, the mandible (lower jaw) moves, but in birds (including Archaeopteryx) so does the maxilla (upper jaw).
-Dr. David Menton is Associate Professor of Anatomy at the Washington University


Also, factor that the fossils come from Bavaria, Germany, a stronghold of the Jesuits, who have used evolution for their Marxist counter-reformation against Bible believing Christianity. They have been caught faking fossils.
[link to www.answersingenesis.org]
[link to www.paleodirect.com]


Any claims of ancient bird is an erronious date as the op presentation demonstrates. Without an old earth there was no evolution.
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Evolution is neither fact nor is there enough time for it to have happened, as the presentation shows.

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If knowledge at the present is complete, absolute and accurate then you might have a case but as it stands you don't. It means that there's more work to do, not to give up and start a faith.
 Quoting: 422730 562416


I'm afraid you just fail to understand the science behind creationism. Observible lab testable science confirms or agrees with creation, as the op presentation exaustively shows using several top scientist and college professors of Europe.
The flood science they present is rather long but needed to destroy that dating method. They show fossils on the bottom layers of the geocolumn could actually be older that those on the top, due to sedimentary layering processes of flood waters.

So much more could have been presented, such as how fossils form rapidly, not over millions of years that never happened.
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They show fossils on the bottom layers of the geocolumn could actually be younger that those on the top, due to sedimentary layering processes of flood waters.
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Belief. An amoeba is what it was at the beginning and it is what it will be in the end. Algae was in the beginning and will be in the end. An ant was and will be as is today in the end. Your pet pooch was in the beginning and will be the same in the end. MAN HAS ALWAYS BEEN AS IS AND WILL REMAIN THE SAME IN THE END. What end you ask? I donít know but the end will come. It will take us back to the state we were in before we were conceived in momís belly. Darwin is in that state. That is a FACT. Evolution is a shroud.

hf
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The op video shows with controlled lab experiments how sedimentary layers can't be used to date anything.

Also, problems with all elemental dating methods.

And finally that there's just no evidence of any beneficial mutations.
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What about the "almost-immortal jellyfish" I saw a story about a few weeks ago?

A creature that apparently turns back into a youth when times are hard.

wtf
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Natural selection does not produce new genetic information. Also, there were no 80 million years as supposed in the articles claims, both the op presentation points out.
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Evolution..
Well It seems inevitable.
Take an ape and take a "cave man"..
despite much we have evolved, Man and Ape are pretty damn close.
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What about the "almost-immortal jellyfish" I saw a story about a few weeks ago?

A creature that apparently turns back into a youth when times are hard.

wtf
 Quoting: CelticLegends


Sounds interesting. I'm sure it's being presented for more than it is.
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[link to www.physorg.com]


Natural selection does not produce new genetic information. Also, there were no 80 million years as supposed in the articles claims, both the op presentation points out.


And fails. Only religious fools believe the Earth is
less than 10,000 years old.
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Evolutionist are among the most religious, believing what the institutions tell them.

These OP scientist correct the record with lab experiments and you dogmatically hold your belief.

They show the geocolumn for what it is! And all elemental dating too! Then present natural lab testable dating methods anyone can do.

Such as, they show how on more than one occasion lava with a known age of 200 years is elemental dated and gives readings from 200 million to 3 billion years old.

It is you who fails. Evolution is a tool of the new world order, that's all.
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macro-evolution.....wishful thinking I'd call it.

micro-evolution is pretty self evident
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Where is exactly the line between macro and micro evolution? What is the minimum difference to be considered macro evolution and what is the maximum difference to be considered micro evolution?
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Evolutionist are among the most religious, believing what the institutions tell them.

These OP scientist correct the record with lab experiments and you dogmatically hold your belief.

They show the geocolumn for what it is! And all elemental dating too! Then present natural lab testable dating methods anyone can do.

Such as, they show how on more than one occasion lava with a known age of 200 years is elemental dated and gives readings from 200 million to 3 billion years old.

It is you who fails. Evolution is a tool of the new world order, that's all.
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re·li·gious (r-ljs)
adj.
1. Having or showing belief in and reverence for God or a deity.
2. Of, concerned with, or teaching religion: a religious text.
3. Extremely scrupulous or conscientious: religious devotion to duty.
n. pl. religious
A member of a monastic order, especially a nun or monk.


How does the theory of evolution fit into that? Oh wait it doesn't....

Elemental dating? Wuts that? Looking at a fire or water and determine the age? You mean radioactive dating?

Besides there are known factors that influence radioactive dating and in most cases multiple dating mechanisms are used to determine a date...
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It is a fact.... and if you live through the next 3-5 years you will witness it!!
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Evolutionist are among the most religious, believing what the institutions tell them.

These OP scientist correct the record with lab experiments and you dogmatically hold your belief.

They show the geocolumn for what it is! And all elemental dating too! Then present natural lab testable dating methods anyone can do.

Such as, they show how on more than one occasion lava with a known age of 200 years is elemental dated and gives readings from 200 million to 3 billion years old.

It is you who fails. Evolution is a tool of the new world order, that's all.

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re·li·gious (r-ljs)
adj.
1. Having or showing belief in and reverence for God or a deity.
2. Of, concerned with, or teaching religion: a religious text.
3. Extremely scrupulous or conscientious: religious devotion to duty.
n. pl. religious
A member of a monastic order, especially a nun or monk.


How does the theory of evolution fit into that? Oh wait it doesn't....
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 558754


You would be looking for the definition of "religion" not religious. Evolution is the belief of all the pagan religions, and that is who is propagating it, the pagan Roman Jesuits for their Roman Empire / NWO.

Elemental dating? Wuts that? Looking at a fire or water and determine the age? You mean radioactive dating?

Besides there are known factors that influence radioactive dating and in most cases multiple dating mechanisms are used to determine a date...
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 558754


Elements potassium and uranium are radioactive dated. These are subject to weather conditions. The other confirmation method is the geocolumn. As shown in the op presentation neither can be used. As already pointed out the geocolumn layers are flood sediment, and flood models in lab conditions have shown given assumptions are incorrect.
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macro-evolution.....wishful thinking I'd call it.

micro-evolution is pretty self evident

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Where is exactly the line between macro and micro evolution? What is the minimum difference to be considered macro evolution and what is the maximum difference to be considered micro evolution?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 558754


I agree the term micro-evolution is misleading as no permanent evolution has happened with genetic variation as found with the various breeds of creatures. Ask any child the difference between a dog and a cat! This is what you ask.

The op presentation shows how isolated genetic separation leads to what we find today among the races of man, for example, having nothing to do with evolution.





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