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Thursday, January 22, 2009
A very interesting but slightly rough translation from Corriere della sera (Italy)



GAZA

"Go, go out of here"!

"Do you want the Israelis kill us all"?

"You want to see die under the bombs our children"?

Take away your weapons and missiles, "shouted many among the inhabitants of the Gaza Strip to Hamas militants and their allies of Islamic Jihad.


The bravest were organized and had barred the doors to their yards, nailed to the boards of buildings, locked up as we go along the stairs to the roof higher.

But for most of the guerrillas did not listen to anyone.
"Traitors. Collaborators of Israel. Fatah Spies. Cowards. The soldiers of the holy war will punish. And in any case all will die, like us. Attacking the Jewish Zionists, we are all destined for paradise, you are not happy to die together? ".

And so furious shouting, breaking down doors and windows, hid in the highest floors, in gardens, used ambulances, we baracaded near hospitals, schools, buildings Assembly.
In extreme cases fired against those who tried to block them the way to save their families, or beat wildly.

...
And there is another fact that is emerging more and more evident by visiting clinics, hospitals and families of the victims of Israeli fire. In truth, the number appears much lower for almost 1300 deaths, in addition to about 5,000 injured, reported by the menof Hamas and repeated by the official UN and local Red Cross. "The deaths could not be more than 500 or 600. Mainly boys between 17 and 23 years recruited from the ranks of Hamas that has literally sent to the massacre, "says a doctor Shifah the hospital that will not necessarily be said, is to risk his life.

One thing, however, also confirmed by local journalists: "We have already reported to the heads of Hamas. Why insist on inflating the numbers of victims? Strano, inter alia, that non-governmental organizations, including Westerners, the reporting without verification. In the end, the truth may come to light.

It could be like in Jenin in 2002. Initially we spoke of 1,500 deaths. Then came out they were only 54, including at least 45 guerrillas who died fighting.

As we have arrived at these figures?

"Take the case of the massacre of the family of Al Samoun neighborhood of Zeitun. When the bombs hit their houses have reported that 31 had died. And so there have been an officer of the Ministry of Health controlled by Hamas. But then, when the bodies were actually recovered, the sum total is doubled to 62 and so went to the calculation of total numbers, "says Masoda Al Samoun of 24 years. He adds an interesting detail: "To confuse the matter we had put the Israeli special teams. Their men were disguised as guerrillas of Hamas, with a green bandana tied in front with the inscription usual: there is no other God besides Allah and Muhammad is his Prophet. In order to create chaos. We happen to shout them to leave, feared reprisals. Later we understood that they were Israelis. And 'Just visit any hospital to understand that the accounts do not add up. Many beds are free . The same goes for "Nasser" in Khan Yunis. Only 5 of 150 beds at the private Al-Amal are occupied. In Gaza city was evacuated the Wafa, built with donations "Islamic charities" of Saudi Arabia, Qatar and other Gulf countries, and bombed by Israel and the end of December. The institute is known to be a stronghold of Hamas, were hospitalized here its fighters wounded in the civil war with Fatah in 2007. The others were at hand, Al Quds, which was bombarded the second week of January.
He says this fact Magah to Rachmah, 25 years, inhabitant of a few dozen meters from the four major buildings in the complex health now seriously damaged. "The men of Hamas took refuge mainly in the building that houses the administrative offices of Al Quds. They used ambulances and forced ambulanzieri and nurses to remove their uniforms with symbols of paramedics, so could be confused and better to escape Israeli snipers.

This has reduced a lot of the number of beds available in health institutions in Gaza. As well, the Shifah, the largest hospital in the city, remains a far cry from the record occupancy. "Hamas had hidden there the cells and the emergency room for interrogation of prisoners of Fatah and the secular face of the left who were evacuated from the prison was bombed, saying the militant Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine.

It 'was a war in this war between Fatah and Hamas. The local humanitarian organizations, mostly controlled tell of dozens of executions, cases of torture, kidnappings in the last three weeks' perpetrated by Hamas.. One of the most notorious cases is to Shakhura Achmad, 47 years old, resident of Khan Yunis, and brother Khaled, right-hand man of Mohammad Dahlan (former head of the security services of Yasser Arafat, now in exile) who was abducted on the orders of the Head the local secret police of Hamas, Abu Abdallah Al Kidra, was tortured, he would have torn his left eye, and then was killed January 15.
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Hey goat, your megaphone is ringing.
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Hey goat, your megaphone is ringing.
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Hey AC - your crack is showing.

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megaphony

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GOG = 0 credibility
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GOG , how fitting.

In the Bible it is GOG and MAGOG that was prophesied to destroy Palestine. It was prophesied that they would come from Russia, Ukraine and Kazakhistan. Isn't this the region of the Khazars? Are they Gog and MAGOG?


You sir are disgusting.
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Hey goat, your megaphone is ringing.


Hey AC - your crack is showing.

:Ph1l:
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Do you think you're winning friends and changing minds for Israel?
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I don't think I can raise enough BS flags for this one...

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megaphony


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Islamtard...wow its neat to label people so easily!
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
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I don't think I can raise enough BS flags for this one...

bsflag bsflag bsflag bsflag bsflag bsflag
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Yeah your right..Hamas would never use women and children as human shields



For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
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Barak wants legal support, aid for IDF

Jan 22, 2009 23:27 | Updated Jan 24, 2009 1:18

Defense Minster Ehud Barak will on Sunday present a draft resolution regarding support and legal aid for IDF officers and soldiers facing court cases related to Operation Cast Lead. An onslaught of international lawsuits against Israeli officials alleging war crimes against the Gaza population during the operation has been widely anticipated.

According to a Defense Ministry statement released Friday, the resolution will be discussed in Sunday's cabinet meeting. It was put together by the Defense Ministry, Ministry of Justice and State Prosecutor.

Speaking on Friday, Barak said, "The Israeli government bears the responsibility for sending IDF troops on missions, as well as for defending civilians, and as such is obligated to grant its full support." He added that no harm should come to officers and soldiers as a result of their involvement in the operation.

The defense minister also extolled the morality of the IDF, saying "the IDF is a moral army, and I don't know of any [other] army which operates to such high standards."
He went on to say, "There is no place for automatic backlash at the end of every operation."

Barak has also ordered the IDF to set up a team of intelligence and legal experts to collect evidence related to operations in the Gaza Strip, which could be used to defend military commanders against lawsuits.

In related news, Prime Minister Ehud Olmert on Thursday assembled a special team, headed by Justice Minister Daniel Friedmann, to deal with possible lawsuits.

The team will be comprised of representatives from the Prime Minister's Office and the ministries of Foreign Affairs, Defense and Justice, and will include experts on international law. The decision came in the wake of an assessment by Attorney-General Menachem Mazuz that Israel would have to deal with a slew of lawsuits.

Friedmann was expected to convene the panel in the coming days.

Mazuz's prediction seemed increasingly pertinent Thursday evening, when Richard Falk, an independent UN rights expert, said there was compelling evidence that Israel breached basic humanitarian rules and the laws of war by conducting a large-scale military operation "against an essentially defenseless population."

"There needs to be an investigation carried out under independent auspices as to whether these grave breaches of the Geneva Conventions ... should be treated as war crimes," Falk said.

On Wednesday, the IDF censor issued new orders forbidding the media from publishing the names or photographs of officers between the rank of company commander and battalion commander who participated in Operation Cast Lead out of concern that international war crimes lawsuits might be filed against them. The officers can only be identified by the first letter of their name and their unit.

In 2005, Maj.-Gen. (res.) Doron Almog, former OC Southern Command, avoided arrest at London's Heathrow Airport. He was warned not to disembark from his El Al flight as British detectives were waiting to arrest him for allegedly ordering the demolition of Palestinian homes in Gaza in 2002.

In 2006, then-Gaza Division commander Brig.-Gen. Aviv Kochavi, who was scheduled to study at the Royal College of Defense Studies in London, was warned by an IDF judge that he could be arrested upon arrival. Kochavi subsequently canceled his trip to the UK.


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UNRWA calls for independent probe into alleged Gaza crimes

Jan 24, 2009 0:57 | Updated Jan 24, 2009 1:22

John Ging, head of the UN Relief and Works Agency (UNRWA) in Gaza, called on Friday for the establishment of an independent international investigation into the alleged war crimes committed during Operation Cast Lead.

At a press conference held in Geneva, Ging said that a credible investigation of the death and destruction in Gaza was necessary especially in light of the growing anger of Gazans, the increasing number of extremists in the Strip and their lack of faith in the rule of law, Reuters reported.

It is urgent to establish accountability for death and the destruction of Palestinian infrastructure through a credible mechanism which would "channel this emotion to confidence in the rule of law," Ging reportedly said

Ging told reporters that the number of extremists in the Strip had grown as a result of the three-week operation against Hamas, and stressed that it was important to prove that justice could be delivered in a lawful way.

The extremists "are very confident in their rhetoric that there should be no expectation that justice will be delivered through the rule of law. Now we must prove that wrong," he reportedly said.

According to the report, the UNRWA head noted that Israeli civilians had also suffered, and therefore, the investigation had to examine "legitimate allegations" on both sides.

Ging expressed his hopes that new US Middle East envoy George Mitchell will talk to ordinary people in Gaza as part of a "new track" in diplomacy.

"My first request to the US administration is talk to the ordinary people in Gaza. Come to Gaza and talk to the ordinary people -- the mothers, fathers, leaders of civil society, the people who are not involved in politics," said Ging.

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Of course they use children and women as shields. They are the lowest pieces of shit in the universe.
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as chosen children of the EVIL DEMIURGE YAHWEH,joos will soon pay 1000 fold for their murderous evil ways !!
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as chosen children of the EVIL DEMIURGE YAHWEH,joos will soon pay 1000 fold for their murderous evil ways !!
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Whats the matter ac? Can't get anyone to read your lame threads?
For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
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Of course they use children and women as shields. They are the lowest pieces of shit in the universe.
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Well if this report is true (and it is under investigation) I want to see what all of you are going to say..


Gaza: 'I watched an Israeli soldier shoot dead my two little girls'

Grieving Palestinian father says children were killed after family obeyed order from troops to leave Gaza home

Wednesday, 21 January 2009


A Palestinian father has claimed that he saw two of his young daughters shot dead and another critically injured by an Israeli soldier who emerged from a stationary tank and opened fire as the family obeyed an order from the Israeli forces to leave their home.


Khaled Abed Rabbo said Amal, aged two and Suad, seven, were killed by fire from the soldier's semi-automatic rifle. His third daughter, Samer, four, has been evacuated to intensive care in a Belgian hospital after suffering critical spinal injuries which he said were inflicted in the attack early in Israel's ground offensive.

Mr Abed Rabbo stood near the wreckage off his subsequently destroyed home on the eastern edge of the northern Gaza town of Jabalya yesterday and described how a tank had parked outside the building at 12.50pm on 7 January and ordered the family in Arabic through a megaphone to leave building. He said his 60-year-old mother had also been shot at as she left waving her white headscarf with her son, daughter in law and her three grandchildren.

"Two soldiers were on the tank eating chips, then one man came out of the tank with a rifle and started shooting the kids," Mr Abed Rabbo, who receives a salary as a policeman from the Fatah-dominated Palestinian Authority in Ramallah said. The family say they think the weapon used by the soldier was an M16 and that the first to be shot was Amal. Mr Abed Rabbo said that Suad was then shot with what he claimed were 12 bullets, and then Samer.

The soldier who fired the rifle had what Mr Abed Rabbo thought were ringlets visible below his helmet, he said. The small minority of ultra-Orthodox Jews who serve in the army are in a unit which did not take part in the Gaza offensive and only a very small number of settlers who also favour that hairstyle serve in other units.

Khaled Abed Rabbo said that there had been a delay before the ambulance could reach the building because the road from the west had been made impassable by the churning of the tanks.

The soldiers had in the end let the family leave on foot, he said. He added that they walked two kilometres before finding a vehicle to take them to Kamal Adwan Hospital. He said: "I carried Suad, who was dead, my wife carried Amal and my brother Ibrahim carried Samer."

He added: "We are not Hamas. My children were not Hamas. And if they were going to shoot anyone it should have been me." He added: "I want the international community and the International Red Cross to ask Israel why it has done this to us. They talk about democracy but is it democracy to kill children? What did the kids do to them? What did my house do to them? They destroyed my life?

It has so far been impossible independently to verify Mr Abed Rabbo's claim and the military said last night Israeli Defence Forces "does not target civilians, only Hamas terrorists and infrastructure". It added: "The IDF is investigating various claims made with regard to Operation Cast Lead and at the end of its investigation will respond accordingly."

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Please.
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Interesting find GOG! Somehow I had the feeling that the supposed figures had been cooked to get world sympathy. The other thing is how many HamAss executions of PA people are included in the stats? Another interesting point there was a post regarding children and brain injuries in hospital with Drs. indicating the wounds were sustained from shots fired in close proximity I wouldn't put it past those cowards (HamAss) to infact have fired these shots themselves. Their philosophy is everyone is expendable except them of course.
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I don't think I can raise enough BS flags for this one...

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Yeah your right..Hamas would never use women and children as human shields



 Quoting: mathetes


KA-POW!


I was hoping for that!

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5a

Interesting find GOG! Somehow I had the feeling that the supposed figures had been cooked to get world sympathy. The other thing is how many HamAss executions of PA people are included in the stats? Another interesting point there was a post regarding children and brain injuries in hospital with Drs. indicating the wounds were sustained from shots fired in close proximity I wouldn't put it past those cowards (HamAss) to infact have fired these shots themselves. Their philosophy is everyone is expendable except them of course.
 Quoting: ANNONYMOUS 546346


Indeedy - I wouldn't put ANYTHING past the Hamas death cultists..

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BEWARE THE JOO......who cries out in pain as he strikes you !!
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Hey goat, your megaphone is ringing.


Hey AC - your crack is showing.

Ph1l
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Rofl
The chariots of God are tens of thousands, and thousands of thousands.
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BEWARE THE JOO......who cries out in pain as he strikes you !!
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Beware the fool.... for he is unworthy of paradise.
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Thursday, January 22, 2009
A very interesting but slightly rough translation from Corriere della sera (Italy)

It 'was a war in this war between Fatah and Hamas. The local humanitarian organizations, mostly controlled tell of dozens of executions, cases of torture, kidnappings in the last three weeks' perpetrated by Hamas..
 Quoting: Grizzled Old Goat


Funny, now the world has seen the brutality and sub-human behavior of the Israeli military, the pictures of young children shot dead some with two bullet holes in their chest, these are the pictures that will not fade.

Make all the excuses you wish, the reality of what you did cannot be erased.
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Thursday, January 22, 2009
A very interesting but slightly rough translation from Corriere della sera (Italy)

It 'was a war in this war between Fatah and Hamas. The local humanitarian organizations, mostly controlled tell of dozens of executions, cases of torture, kidnappings in the last three weeks' perpetrated by Hamas..


Funny, now the world has seen the brutality and sub-human behavior of the Israeli military, the pictures of young children shot dead some with two bullet holes in their chest, these are the pictures that will not fade.

Make all the excuses you wish, the reality of what you did cannot be erased.
 Quoting: Prof_Rabbit


Did you look at the video above "Children of Hamas' or the Op, for that matter???


That's just it, isn't it? We don't even know exactly what was done - OR BY WHOM..


The ENTIRE war was a Hamas PR operation directed against Israel. Hamas had NO CHANCE of winning, and yet deliberately provoked a war anyway. Those dead children were essential props in a movie for the world to see - "A Hamas Presentation"..


Go ahead and scream your idiotic heads off now..

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The ENTIRE war was a Hamas PR operation directed against Israel. Hamas had NO CHANCE of winning, and yet deliberately provoked a war anyway. Those dead children were essential props in a movie for the world to see - "A Hamas presentation"..



 Quoting: Grizzled Old Goat


It certainly looks like that's the case. And you're certainly not the first one to say that.

But, alas.....to most people on here...Hamas is whiter than white....
The chariots of God are tens of thousands, and thousands of thousands.
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Hey goat, your megaphone is ringing.
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scumbag murdering goat..
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Hey goat, your megaphone is ringing.


scumbag murdering goat..
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Idiot gasbag..

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Cheers Grizzled Old Goat!!!!





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