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It's an injustice to NOT marry girls aged 10, says Saudi cleric

 
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Ya see this is what happens when sex becomes a taboo.
All sorts of perversions arise and society's most vulnerable become the victims.
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10 years old. well she reach 10. i know some babies that the israel govertment killed that will not be here for there 1st birthday.
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10 years old. well she reach 10. i know some babies that the israel govertment killed that will not be here for there 1st birthday.
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This has nothing to do with Israel. Stop trying to defend this practice..
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10 years old. well she reach 10. i know some babies that the israel govertment killed that will not be here for there 1st birthday.


This has nothing to do with Israel. Stop trying to defend this practice..
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THE TORAH. IN ANCIENT LAW AND NOT SO ANCIENT LAW.MARRIGE WAS OFTEN CELEBRATED AT A RATHER YOUNG AGE.A GIRL MAY BE BETROTHED THE MONENT SHE IS BORN AND MARRIED AT THE AGE OF 3 YEARS OLD.LOOK IT UP ON GOOGLE.
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Check out the thread about Mohamed being a pedophile..

Thread: Mohammed the Pedophile???
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JADR:
Since you've decided that the conversation can now encompass long ago history, here's one for you...

"It was long customary among the Jews to marry at a young age. A girl was usually betrothed at the age of seven, eight, or nine. Her marriage was consummated when she was eleven or twelve years old. The boy was somewhat older. ...(p.11)

...The religious reasons were that premarital chastity was a long-standing traditional commandment. Children were married before they could experience any sexual desires; thus there were no chances for promiscuity. ..." (p. 12)
THE JEWISH WOMAN IN RABBINIC LITERATURE
Menachem M. Brayer
[link to books.google.com]

Brayer also notes on page 12 that child marriages were widespread and also practiced among Christian royalty and nobility from the Middle Ages on.

None of these sects has anything of which to be proud.
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10 years old. well she reach 10. i know some babies that the israel govertment killed that will not be here for there 1st birthday.


This has nothing to do with Israel. Stop trying to defend this practice..

THE TORAH. IN ANCIENT LAW AND NOT SO ANCIENT LAW.MARRIGE WAS OFTEN CELEBRATED AT A RATHER YOUNG AGE.A GIRL MAY BE BETROTHED THE MONENT SHE IS BORN AND MARRIED AT THE AGE OF 3 YEARS OLD.LOOK IT UP ON GOOGLE.
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Definition of Betrothed: (for the unlearned)

Pledged to be married - It is not a marriage as such. There is no sex involved.

many laws in the Torah have not been practiced for 1000's of years: Like stoning, an eye for an eye etc..

Find me one (just one) Jewish family that has married off their daughter at age 10 - and allowed her to be raped by a man 3 times her age?
Dear sir, poor sir, brave sir: You are an experiment by the Creator of the Universe. You are the only creature in the entire Universe who has free will. You are the only one who has to figure out what to do next--and why. Everybody else is a robot, a machine.

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Check out the thread about Mohamed being a pedophile..

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JADR:
Since you've decided that the conversation can now encompass long ago history, here's one for you...

"It was long customary among the Jews to marry at a young age. A girl was usually betrothed at the age of seven, eight, or nine. Her marriage was consummated when she was eleven or twelve years old. The boy was somewhat older. ...(p.11)

...The religious reasons were that premarital chastity was a long-standing traditional commandment. Children were married before they could experience any sexual desires; thus there were no chances for promiscuity. ..." (p. 12)
THE JEWISH WOMAN IN RABBINIC LITERATURE
Menachem M. Brayer
[link to books.google.com]

Brayer also notes on page 12 that child marriages were widespread and also practiced among Christian royalty and nobility from the Middle Ages on.

None of these sects has anything of which to be proud.
 Quoting: RHSC 570208



1) Again - I'm not interested in the past. What jews did 1000 years ago, or what cave men did 10,000 years ago is irrelevant when talking about the Islamic world today.

Is it happening today among jews? No! (end of story)


2)Please check the definition of betrothed before making a fool of yourself.

I am not talking about arranged marriages - I am talking about marrying a pre-pubescent girl to an adult and allowing that adult to have lawful sex with that little girl (which is effectively rape)
Dear sir, poor sir, brave sir: You are an experiment by the Creator of the Universe. You are the only creature in the entire Universe who has free will. You are the only one who has to figure out what to do next--and why. Everybody else is a robot, a machine.

"MANE THECEL PHARES."
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JADR:
Since you've decided that the conversation can now encompass long ago history, here's one for you...

"It was long customary among the Jews to marry at a young age. A girl was usually betrothed at the age of seven, eight, or nine. Her marriage was consummated when she was eleven or twelve years old. The boy was somewhat older. ...(p.11)

...The religious reasons were that premarital chastity was a long-standing traditional commandment. Children were married before they could experience any sexual desires; thus there were no chances for promiscuity. ..." (p. 12)
THE JEWISH WOMAN IN RABBINIC LITERATURE
Menachem M. Brayer
[link to books.google.com]

Brayer also notes on page 12 that child marriages were widespread and also practiced among Christian royalty and nobility from the Middle Ages on.

None of these sects has anything of which to be proud.


1) Again - I'm not interested in the past. What jews did 1000 years ago, or what cave men did 10,000 years ago is irrelevant when talking about the Islamic world today.

Is it happening today among jews? No! (end of story)


2)Please check the definition of betrothed before making a fool of yourself.

I am not talking about of arranged marriage - I am talking about marrying a pre-pubescent girl to an adult and allowing that adult to have lawful sex with that little girl (which is effectively rape)
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Check out the thread about Mohamed being a pedophile..

Thread: Mohammed the Pedophile???
 Quoting: JADR




If you weren't interested in the past, YOU would not have brought it up. But you did. That means all bets are off. Your religion is as dirty as their religion and both are as dirty as the early Christian religion.

Deal with it.

And Sunshine, being "betrothed" doesn't stop one from having sexual desires. That's what Brayer's point was about, or didn't you bother to check it out?
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JUDAISM 101 MARRIGE .NOW==THE MINIMUM AGE FOR MARRIGE UNDER JEWISH LAW .IS FOR BOYS 13==GIRLS==12.HOWEVER THE TORAN
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If you weren't interested in the past, YOU would not have brought it up. But you did. That means all bets are off. Your religion is as dirty as their religion and both are as dirty as the early Christian religion.

Deal with it.
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I bringing up the present - girls are being married off at 10 in Yemen right now as we are speaking. Not in Israel, not in the US, not in Europe.


And Sunshine, being "betrothed" doesn't stop one from having sexual desires. That's what Brayer's point was about, or didn't you bother to check it out?
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well if you confuse sexual desires with rape - then you are beyond salvation.
Dear sir, poor sir, brave sir: You are an experiment by the Creator of the Universe. You are the only creature in the entire Universe who has free will. You are the only one who has to figure out what to do next--and why. Everybody else is a robot, a machine.

"MANE THECEL PHARES."
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BETROTHED AT BIRTH.
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JUDAISM 101 MARRIGE .NOW==THE MINIMUM AGE FOR MARRIGE UNDER JEWISH LAW .IS FOR BOYS 13==GIRLS==12.HOWEVER THE TORAN
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the TORAN???? chuckle
Dear sir, poor sir, brave sir: You are an experiment by the Creator of the Universe. You are the only creature in the entire Universe who has free will. You are the only one who has to figure out what to do next--and why. Everybody else is a robot, a machine.

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BETROTHED AT BIRTH.
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Betrothed is not marriage. It's a promise of marriage.
Dear sir, poor sir, brave sir: You are an experiment by the Creator of the Universe. You are the only creature in the entire Universe who has free will. You are the only one who has to figure out what to do next--and why. Everybody else is a robot, a machine.

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If you weren't interested in the past, YOU would not have brought it up. But you did. That means all bets are off. Your religion is as dirty as their religion and both are as dirty as the early Christian religion.

Deal with it.


I bringing up the present - girls are being married off at 10 in Yemen right now as we are speaking. Not in Israel, not in the US, not in Europe.



And Sunshine, being "betrothed" doesn't stop one from having sexual desires. That's what Brayer's point was about, or didn't you bother to check it out?


well if you confuse sexual desires with rape - then you are beyond salvation.
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WHERE IT IT SAID RAPE.ITS A MARRAGE .ITS A CONTRACT.FOR WHICH I THINK IT.S WRONG
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If you weren't interested in the past, YOU would not have brought it up. But you did. That means all bets are off. Your religion is as dirty as their religion and both are as dirty as the early Christian religion.

Deal with it.


I bringing up the present - girls are being married off at 10 in Yemen right now as we are speaking. Not in Israel, not in the US, not in Europe.



And Sunshine, being "betrothed" doesn't stop one from having sexual desires. That's what Brayer's point was about, or didn't you bother to check it out?


well if you confuse sexual desires with rape - then you are beyond salvation.

WHERE IT IT SAID RAPE.ITS A MARRAGE .ITS A CONTRACT.FOR WHICH I THINK IT.S WRONG
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A contract with child ? a contract that says the child must submit to the sexual desires of her owner??

gee..
Dear sir, poor sir, brave sir: You are an experiment by the Creator of the Universe. You are the only creature in the entire Universe who has free will. You are the only one who has to figure out what to do next--and why. Everybody else is a robot, a machine.

"MANE THECEL PHARES."
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BETROTHED AT BIRTH.


Betrothed is not marriage. It's a promise of marriage.
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And my point about Brayer's book was that he stated that they were betrothed young, and MARRIED young. Very young.

Here's another one for you...

"...A member of the Baghdadi community in Calcutta supplies an account from the nineteenth century: "My mother was about eleven and going to school. One day, she was being brought home from school when she passed the home of a relative, who called her in. A sweet was put in her mouth and she was told she was engaged. My father was fourteen then. He was seventeen when they married and my mother was thirteen and a half. ..."
JEWISH PASSAGES: CYCLES OF JEWISH LIFE
[link to books.google.com]

Nineteenth century is not THAT long ago in the great scheme of things. LOL!
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well if you confuse sexual desires with rape - then you are beyond salvation.
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SUNSHINE: It was Brayer who said that, not me. Get off your Aussie Azz and check it out. I dare ya.
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sharia law . Coming to a country near you.
*cough* Cough* England.... *Cough*
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sharia law . Coming to a country near you.
*cough* Cough* England.... *Cough*
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Only if you let it.
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BETROTHED AT BIRTH.

ther one for you...

"...A member of the Baghdadi community in Calcutta supplies an account from the nineteenth century: "My mother was about eleven and going to school. One day, she was being brought home from school when she passed the home of a relative, who called her in. A sweet was put in her mouth and she was told she was engaged. My father was fourteen then. He was seventeen when they married and my mother was thirteen and a half. ..."
JEWISH PASSAGES: CYCLES OF JEWISH LIFE
[link to books.google.com]

Nineteenth century is not THAT long ago in the great scheme of things. LOL!
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Again - if certain middle eastern Jewish communities did so - it was wrong back then - and it is wrong today.
Dear sir, poor sir, brave sir: You are an experiment by the Creator of the Universe. You are the only creature in the entire Universe who has free will. You are the only one who has to figure out what to do next--and why. Everybody else is a robot, a machine.

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Again - if certain middle eastern Jewish communities did so - it was wrong back then - and it is wrong today.
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Good. At least we agree on something.
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pedophilia rampant in orthodox judaism.by rev pike.1 dec 08.since hikind broached the subjest on his radio show dozens of people have come foward with stories about children being molested in the orthodox community which strictly follows jewish law.
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pedophilia rampant in orthodox judaism.by rev pike.1 dec 08.since hikind broached the subjest on his radio show dozens of people have come foward with stories about children being molested in the orthodox community which strictly follows jewish law.
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Link please??

it does not excuse the Islamic practice of marrying off pre-pubescent children
Dear sir, poor sir, brave sir: You are an experiment by the Creator of the Universe. You are the only creature in the entire Universe who has free will. You are the only one who has to figure out what to do next--and why. Everybody else is a robot, a machine.

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pedophilia in israel today.in a related story ynetnews com.says that in israel in spite of efforts by welfare officials local rabbis state authorities are unable to curb rampant child abuse in the haredi==ultra orthdox.
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pedophilia in israel today.in a related story ynetnews com.says that in israel in spite of efforts by welfare officials local rabbis state authorities are unable to curb rampant child abuse in the haredi==ultra orthdox.
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Link please.
Dear sir, poor sir, brave sir: You are an experiment by the Creator of the Universe. You are the only creature in the entire Universe who has free will. You are the only one who has to figure out what to do next--and why. Everybody else is a robot, a machine.

"MANE THECEL PHARES."
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pedophilia rampant in orthodox judaism.by rev pike.1 dec 08.since hikind broached the subjest on his radio show dozens of people have come foward with stories about children being molested in the orthodox community which strictly follows jewish law.


Link please??

it does not excuse the Islamic practice of marrying off pre-pubescent children
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look on google under pedophile .state jewish
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pedophilia rampant in orthodox judaism.by rev pike.1 dec 08.since hikind broached the subjest on his radio show dozens of people have come foward with stories about children being molested in the orthodox community which strictly follows jewish law.


Link please??

it does not excuse the Islamic practice of marrying off pre-pubescent children

look on google under pedophile .state jewish
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Yeah I get a page full with antimsetic & nazi web sites..
Dear sir, poor sir, brave sir: You are an experiment by the Creator of the Universe. You are the only creature in the entire Universe who has free will. You are the only one who has to figure out what to do next--and why. Everybody else is a robot, a machine.

"MANE THECEL PHARES."
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pedophilia rampant in orthodox judaism.by rev pike.1 dec 08.since hikind broached the subjest on his radio show dozens of people have come foward with stories about children being molested in the orthodox community which strictly follows jewish law.


Link please??

it does not excuse the Islamic practice of marrying off pre-pubescent children

look on google under pedophile .state jewish


Yeah I get a page full with antimsetic & nazi web sites..
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Again - it does not excuse the Islamic practice of marrying off pre-pubescent children...
Dear sir, poor sir, brave sir: You are an experiment by the Creator of the Universe. You are the only creature in the entire Universe who has free will. You are the only one who has to figure out what to do next--and why. Everybody else is a robot, a machine.

"MANE THECEL PHARES."
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one recent disturbing case in which a netivot mother had sexually abused her son only came to life when her son began attending boarding school and molested a follow pupil. the talmud gives the clear immpression that boys under the age of 9 are fair game for sexual predation by woman and even men such passages are not abscure infrequent or difficult to find they are readily encountered in perusal of talmudic kethuboth yebamoth and sanhedrin.
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pedophilia rampant in orthodox judaism.by rev pike.1 dec 08.since hikind broached the subjest on his radio show dozens of people have come foward with stories about children being molested in the orthodox community which strictly follows jewish law.


Link please??

it does not excuse the Islamic practice of marrying off pre-pubescent children

look on google under pedophile .state jewish


Yeah I get a page full with antimsetic & nazi web sites..


Again - it does not excuse the Islamic practice of marrying off pre-pubescent children...
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Absolutely, nor the use of phosphorous to burn women and children to death...

When Israel and jews are free of shame, come back then and tell us how sick the islamic extremists are....but then we already know!





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