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entropy User ID: 572040 United States 01/28/2009 02:06 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | yeah that site is BS Quoting: Anonymous Coward 602252I was hoping for a reputable site for some dirt on Obama. But the world socialist web site ? come on! GTFOOH :depres2: my re-imaging(cover) of "Piggies" (The Beatles) and "Lights in the Sky" (Nine Inch Nails) is available to listen to now. Won't cost you a dime. Click below to hear it. [link to www.myspace.com] Over 1 Million plays, Most popular NIN Remix / Re imaging artist on myspace. I keep it separate: [link to www.myspace.com] archive: [link to www.vampirefreaks.com] Thanks. [link to www.facebook.com] aSBhbSB5b3VyIHNhdmlvcg0KaSBhbSBjb3JydXB0aW9uDQppIGFtIHRoZSBhbmdlbA0Kb2YgeW91ciBkZXN0cnVjdGlvbg0KaSBhbSBwZXJ2ZXJzaW9uDQpzZWNyZXQgZGVzaXJlDQppIGFtIHlvdXIgZnV0dXJlDQpzd2FsbG93ZWQgdXAgaW4gZmlyZQ== |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 602252 United States 01/28/2009 02:11 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | yeah that site is BS Quoting: Anonymous Coward 564739I was hoping for a reputable site for some dirt on Obama. But the world socialist web site ? come on! GTFOOH Yeah I laughed at that too. What is the big O up to though? It's just political grandstanding. I have no doubt that if a serious situation arose that BHO would no doubt use torture to extract intel from the enemy. |
Bluebird User ID: 270054 United States 01/28/2009 02:12 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.newsweek.com] A Loophole In the Rules Publicly at least, President Obama has made a clean break with his predecessor's controversial counterterrorism policies, but in private the new administration is leaving itself some wiggle room. A day before Obama signed executive orders closing Guantánamo Bay and banning torture, the White House's top lawyer privately indicated to Congress that the new president reserved the right to ignore his own (and any other president's) executive orders. In a closed-door appearance before the Senate intelligence committee, White House counsel Gregory Craig was asked whether the president was required by law to follow executive orders. According to people familiar with his remarks, who asked for anonymity when discussing a private meeting, Craig answered that the administration did not believe he was. The implication: in a national-security crisis, Obama could deviate from his own rules. A White House official said that Craig's remarks were being "mischaracterized." Some Capitol Hill sources and intel officials said Craig's private remarks constituted a big loophole in new guidelines, one that would allow Obama to behave much like President Bush. "I don't think there's a really big change, sub rosa," said one veteran undercover spy. Intel sources cautioned that Craig's declaration does not mean Obama plans to issue secret orders that would contradict his public anti-torture stance. (During his confirmation hearing, Dennis Blair, Obama's new intel czar, said emphatically that there would be no torture "on my watch.") What it probably means in practice, the spy said, is that Obama could, in a dire emergency, issue a secret presidential "finding" instructing the CIA or another agency to overstep boundaries of public policy. But given the obloquy they have endured for following Bush's orders on interrogations and detentions, said another intel insider, CIA officials might resist any attempts by Obama to issue classified operational orders that contradict his official policies. "They don't want to be asked to do something in secret which has been publicly declared taboo," the insider said. --------- It doesn't matter what the source is, the Obama fanatics won't believe it no matter the source. Is Newsweek good enough for you? No, nothing would be because you prefer to believe whatever you like about Obama and ignore the truth. He clearly left open the right to specifically order torture should HE deem it the correct method of interrogation. But go back to sleep. . . .he is the Messiah. . One of the most important aspects of conspiracy theories is being able to discern when there isn't one. Oh yeah, like you'd understand anyway. Where are we going and why am I in this handbasket?. . .J. Handy |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 385176 United States 01/28/2009 03:08 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Change = Window Dressing Obama also told Citigroup to "fix it", regarding the 50 million dollar jet they were buying with taxpayer bailout money. What Obama and the press neglected to say is that the bailout legislation, which Obama voted for, gives ZERO oversight to the gov't, and all rights to the banksters. I'm sure Obama just told them not be so flashy about the jet and just to quietly deposit the funds into their personal, offshore, accounts. |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 600855 United States 01/29/2009 11:47 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | [link to www.newsweek.com] Quoting: BluebirdA Loophole In the Rules Publicly at least, President Obama has made a clean break with his predecessor's controversial counterterrorism policies, but in private the new administration is leaving itself some wiggle room. A day before Obama signed executive orders closing Guantánamo Bay and banning torture, the White House's top lawyer privately indicated to Congress that the new president reserved the right to ignore his own (and any other president's) executive orders. In a closed-door appearance before the Senate intelligence committee, White House counsel Gregory Craig was asked whether the president was required by law to follow executive orders. According to people familiar with his remarks, who asked for anonymity when discussing a private meeting, Craig answered that the administration did not believe he was. The implication: in a national-security crisis, Obama could deviate from his own rules. A White House official said that Craig's remarks were being "mischaracterized." Some Capitol Hill sources and intel officials said Craig's private remarks constituted a big loophole in new guidelines, one that would allow Obama to behave much like President Bush. "I don't think there's a really big change, sub rosa," said one veteran undercover spy. Intel sources cautioned that Craig's declaration does not mean Obama plans to issue secret orders that would contradict his public anti-torture stance. (During his confirmation hearing, Dennis Blair, Obama's new intel czar, said emphatically that there would be no torture "on my watch.") What it probably means in practice, the spy said, is that Obama could, in a dire emergency, issue a secret presidential "finding" instructing the CIA or another agency to overstep boundaries of public policy. But given the obloquy they have endured for following Bush's orders on interrogations and detentions, said another intel insider, CIA officials might resist any attempts by Obama to issue classified operational orders that contradict his official policies. "They don't want to be asked to do something in secret which has been publicly declared taboo," the insider said. --------- It doesn't matter what the source is, the Obama fanatics won't believe it no matter the source. Is Newsweek good enough for you? No, nothing would be because you prefer to believe whatever you like about Obama and ignore the truth. He clearly left open the right to specifically order torture should HE deem it the correct method of interrogation. But go back to sleep. . . .he is the Messiah. . You are so right. |