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jesus skin maybe black,blue ,yellow,white or pink
but his heart have gold colour with snow skin
most of cup only look good in outer but not all in inner
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Mr. I tell ya , you're wrong. Lamentations is a quotation about Solomon. 1 Samuel is very clear regarding David saying he was RED HAIR with beautiful eyes. There are black Jews indeed and to believe Esau's (who was also red) brother was black is just an speculation of black people who are eager to "prove" everybody in the Bible was black. For example, Moses (says the Bible) married Zipora. SHE WAS BLACK or from Cush lineage, Jethro was Cainite. Yet, nowhere the Bible says Moses was black. But there you are and Muslims dressed in white in Canadian streets teaching that with beautiful pictures of black people with white features to make believe yourselves mainly, you're so pretty. Beauty is found in all races, black, brown,white, yellow, red.
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in lamentations the jews were going through a famine in the land and they were suffering from malnutrition, leprosy and boils.

lam 4:8 Their visage is blacker than a coal; they are not known in the streets: their skin cleaveth to their bones; it is withered, it is become like a stick.

9They that be slain with the sword are better than they that be slain with hunger: for these pine away, stricken through for want of the fruits of the field.

lam 5:10 Our skin was black like an oven because of the terrible famine.

as you can see. look at famine in africa and you can see this scripture gives an accurate details of what the jews were going through. whites and so called olive skinned people dont get black during a famine.

blacks in famine [link to filipspagnoli.files.wordpress.com]

secondly nowhere in the bible mentions david as a red head and beautiful eyes. only ruddy, which does not mean white skin. ruddy only mean reddish like a brown-reddish color like mahogany.
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Shouldn't the man's MESSAGE be more important than his appearance?
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Wrong.


The following is a historical description of Jesus by Publius Lentulus, governor of Judea, addressed to Tiberius Caesar, emperor of Rome. It was written in Aramaic, on stone and found in an excavated city.

"There lives, at this time, in Judea, a man of singular virtue whose name is Jesus Christ, whom the barbarians esteem as a prophet, but his followers love and adore him as the offspring of the immortal God. He calls back the dead from the graves, and heals all sorts of diseases with a word or a touch.

He is a tall man, and well shaped, of an amiable and reverend aspect; his hair is of a color that can hardly be matched, the color of chestnut full ripe, falling in waves about his shoulders. His forehead high, large and imposing; his cheeks without spot or wrinkle, beautiful with lovely red: his nose and mouth formed with exquisite symmetry; his beard thick and of a color suitable to his hair, reaching below his chin. His eyes bright blue, clear and serene, look innocent, dignified, manly and mature. In proportion of his body, most perfect and captivating, his hands and arms most delectable to behold.


He rebukes with majesty, counsels with mildness, his whole address, whether in word or in deed, being eloquent and grave. No man has ever seen him laugh, yet his manner is exceedingly pleasant; but he has wept in the presence of men. He is temperate, modest and wise; a man, for his extraordinary beauty and divine perfections, surpassing the children of men in every sense."
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[link to en.wikipedia.org]
I think that you are wrong :
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Wrong.


The following is a historical description of Jesus by Publius Lentulus, governor of Judea, addressed to Tiberius Caesar, emperor of Rome. It was written in Aramaic, on stone and found in an excavated city.

I read that long time ago but it seems it's not so real. That's the inspiration of a phrase quoted in the tv series "Jesus" where Gary Oldman playing Pilate says to Jesus "you have an interesting face". As a matter of fact Jews were forbidden to wear long hair (and apostle Paul says in Corinthians it's dishonorable for men to wear long hair and uses a Greek word related to rotten bodies as something very disgusting). Only the nazir who did the vote like Samson or Samuel could've used long hair or Essenes. But Christ attitude was very different from the ritualistic Essenes which is somehting people usually ignore just seeing some superficial "similarities". Essenes,for example, refrained from drinking wine.


Jesus was a nazarite meaning that he did not shave the hair off His face and head. so naturally His beard and hair became dreadlocked and nappy. thats why in the bible described that His hair was like lambs wool. so when they crucified Christ they humiliated Him by cutting the beard and hair just like delilah did to samson to weaken him. thats how the roman soldiers got the crown of thorns over His head. you cannot t put thorns over nobodys head if it was dreadlocked. and Jesus was in his 30s so imagine how long and nappy his hair was.
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Actually, it does not describe his hair as being nappy like lambs wool. What is does say is that his hair was white, like wool. It describes the color of the hair, not the consistancy.
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That Publius Lentelus document is a farse. Was a letter found in 1421 by a certain Giacomo Colonna and sent to Rome from Constantinople, it was Greek origin and later on translated to Latin during 13th & 14th Centuries and humanists had access to it:
[link to en.wikipedia.org]
 Quoting: inca=chinitial 602933

Dude, do yourself a favor, dont ever, ever quote Wikipedia. Em Kay? You lose any clout that you thought you had to begin with. Jeez...stick to using hollywood movies to try to make your point. Its more entertaining to us.
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I quote Wikipedia cos is better than using my personal opinion. But whomever uses a letter of a Roman governor using phrases as if a Christian addressing to Romans needs to prove (not me) that document is real and not a hoax.
Mr. I tell ya just keeps repeating Lamentations. Even if someone starving gets black it doesn't mean all Jews were black or all people getting hungry are black for Christ's sake and I do read the Bible instead of quoting memorized texts. Read 1 Samuel 16:12 in order to know David was RED HAIRED.
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I do agree his message is more important than his exterior likeness but the fact is everybody uses his own imagination regarding this and mostly without knowing anything to discuss about. And sometimes when you DEPRIVE that false image you have created, the ones who care so much about likeness would erase from their brains that message, specially the ones who like so much the black Christ or the blonde one. He could've well be a green Hindu speaking Vedanta message but wouldn't recognize that message!
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Mr I tell you, like Malcoml X uses his version of specific texts and translations as if doing it so they could erase the existence of blonde and red haired Egyptians and Jews. They will show Apocalypse which is a vision of a giant entity and would say that's black as well. That example quoted by him of hair like wool. I do have straight and wavy hair and yet when I let it grow during 2 years, it naturally turned curly like wool and I'm not curly like a black man. The fact is you are ignoring both Hebrew language, genetics phenotype and geography just to show the blackness you desire cos you are as xenophobic as some white people have been. The Bible very explicitly says Moses' wife was Cusite like Nemrod, in others part mentions some people can't change their leopard skin, if Christ were black it probably would say it so but the fact he was not white as Caucassian either. He was like the Jews I mentioned already so there was no point in describing people with similar likeness.
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More about Lentulus Scottish sort of description: hoax:
[link to answers.org]
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Do you people realize how important this all is???








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i know one things for sure.

he didn't have blonde hair and blue eyes!

FACT!!!

Here's a fact for u.
FACT: saying fact does not make something a fact, even if u add exclamation marks after it
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come on! wake up and get real!

how can a person BORN in the middle east, then live his whole life there have blonde hair and blue eyes?!?

also, the bible forbids any israelite to cut his hair or beard. (round the corners) also, a man is not supposed to have long hair as a woman.

and yes i know the color of Yahushua (christ) shouldn't matter and if you agree, then why not have an honest description of him?!?
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I quote Wikipedia cos is better than using my personal opinion. But whomever uses a letter of a Roman governor using phrases as if a Christian addressing to Romans needs to prove (not me) that document is real and not a hoax.
Mr. I tell ya just keeps repeating Lamentations. Even if someone starving gets black it doesn't mean all Jews were black or all people getting hungry are black for Christ's sake and I do read the Bible instead of quoting memorized texts. Read 1 Samuel 16:12 in order to know David was RED HAIRED.
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the scripture says OUR meaning the majority. if they were other colors than black it would have said so. it would have said our skin was pale, our skin got darker, our skin burn with redness etc. or some became pale and some became black. whomever was the author of the writing knew what was around him and saw the multitudes that were suffering because of the famine and i guess he didnt see any white or so called olive skinned people there.
also i still dont see where it says david was red haired. all it said that david was ruddy, which doesnt mean that he was white. most likely david was a mixed breed. cross between olive oil skin and black.
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Mr I tell you, like Malcoml X uses his version of specific texts and translations as if doing it so they could erase the existence of blonde and red haired Egyptians and Jews. They will show Apocalypse which is a vision of a giant entity and would say that's black as well. That example quoted by him of hair like wool. I do have straight and wavy hair and yet when I let it grow during 2 years, it naturally turned curly like wool and I'm not curly like a black man. The fact is you are ignoring both Hebrew language, genetics phenotype and geography just to show the blackness you desire cos you are as xenophobic as some white people have been. The Bible very explicitly says Moses' wife was Cusite like Nemrod, in others part mentions some people can't change their leopard skin, if Christ were black it probably would say it so but the fact he was not white as Caucassian either. He was like the Jews I mentioned already so there was no point in describing people with similar likeness.
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why is it whenever people speak of "hair like wool" they ALWAY's leave out the rest of the scripture.

Rev. 1 14:15

14 His head and his hairs were white like wool, as white as snow; and his eyes were as a flame of fire;

15 And his feet like unto fine brass, as if they burned in a furnace; and his voice as the sound of many waters.

does that sound like white skin to you? any other color yes! WHITE NO!!!
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i know one things for sure.

he didn't have blonde hair and blue eyes!

FACT!!!

Here's a fact for u.
FACT: saying fact does not make something a fact, even if u add exclamation marks after it


come on! wake up and get real!

how can a person BORN in the middle east, then live his whole life there have blonde hair and blue eyes?!?

also, the bible forbids any israelite to cut his hair or beard. (round the corners) also, a man is not supposed to have long hair as a woman.

and yes i know the color of Yahushua (christ) shouldn't matter and if you agree, then why not have an honest description of him?!?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 575025

jesus could've had blue and light colored hair, the blue ey color mutation appeared in jordan and look at this palestinian girl [link to en.wikipedia.org]
jesus was a northern semite, they look more white than southern semites such as saudis and yemenis and gulf arabs. but they are by no means nordic.
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He is a tall man, and well shaped, of an amiable and reverend aspect; his hair is of a color that can hardly be matched, the color of chestnut full ripe, falling in waves about his shoulders. His forehead high, large and imposing; his cheeks without spot or wrinkle, beautiful with lovely red: his nose and mouth formed with exquisite symmetry; his beard thick and of a color suitable to his hair, reaching below his chin. His eyes bright blue, clear and serene, look innocent, dignified, manly and mature. In proportion of his body, most perfect and captivating, his hands and arms most delectable to behold.

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HaHaHaHaHaHa.........

That's too funny, Jesus was white people!

You gotta be kidding me with that bullshit you dumb christer fuckwit.

For one, he was just a fairytale, and second the fairytale is from the middle east. That would make him an Arab looking middle eastern Jew!

You christers have no shame.
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That Publius Lentelus document is a farse. Was a letter found in 1421 by a certain Giacomo Colonna and sent to Rome from Constantinople, it was Greek origin and later on translated to Latin during 13th & 14th Centuries and humanists had access to it:
[link to en.wikipedia.org]

Dude, do yourself a favor, dont ever, ever quote Wikipedia. Em Kay? You lose any clout that you thought you had to begin with. Jeez...stick to using hollywood movies to try to make your point. Its more entertaining to us.
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A nice early 20th century source then;

[link to oce.catholic.com]

entulus, PUBLIUS, is a fictitious person, said to have been Governor of Judea before Pontius Pilate, and to have written the following letter to the Roman Senate: "Lentulus, the Governor of the Jerusalemites to the Roman Senate and People, greetings. There has appeared in our times, and there still lives, a man of great power (virtue), called Jesus Christ. The people call him prophet of truth; his disciples, son of God. He raises the dead, and heals infirmities. He is a man of medium size (statura procerus, mediocris et spectabilis); he has a venerable aspect, and his beholders can both fear and love him. His hair is of the color of the ripe hazelnut, straight down to the ears, but below the ears wavy and curled, with a bluish and bright reflection, flowing over his shoulders. It is parted in two on the top of the head, after the pattern of the Nazarenes. His brow is smooth and very cheerful, with a face without wrinkle or spot, embellished by a slightly reddish complexion. His nose and mouth are faultless. His beard is abundant, of the color of his hair, not long, but divided at the chin. His aspect is simple and mature, his eyes are changeable and bright.

He is terrible in his reprimands, sweet and amiable in his admonitions, cheerful without loss of gravity. He was never known to laugh, but often to weep. His stature is straight, his hands and arms beautiful to behold. His conversation is grave, infrequent, and modest. He is the most beautiful among the children of men."

Different manuscripts vary from the foregoing text in several details: Dobschutz ("Christusbilder", Leipzig, 1899) enumerates the manuscripts and gives an "apparatus criticus". The letter was first printed in the "Life of Christ" by Ludolph the Carthusian (Cologne, 1474), and in the "Introduction to the works of St. Anselm" (Nuremberg, 1491). But it is neither the work of St. Anselm nor of Ludolph. According to the manuscript of Jena, a certain Giacomo Colonna found the letter in 1421 in an ancient Roman document sent to Rome from Constantinople. It must be of Greek origin, and translated into Latin during the thirteenth or fourteenth century, though it received its present form at the hands of a humanist of the fifteenth or sixteenth century. The description agrees with the so-called Abgar picture of our Lord; it also agrees with the portrait of Jesus Christ drawn by Nicephorus, St. John Damascene, and the Book of painters (of Mt. Athos). Munter ("Die Sinnbilder und Kunstvorstellungen der alten Christen", Altona, 1825, p. 9) believes he can trace the letter down to the time of Diocletian; but this is not generally admitted. The letter of Lentulus is certainly apocryphal: there never was a Governor cif Jerusalem; no Procurator of Judea is known to have been called Lentulus; a Res man governor would not have addressed the senate, but the emperor; a Roman writer would not have employed the expressions, "prophet of truth", "sons of men", "Jesus Christ" The former two are Hebrew idioms, the third is taken from the New Testament. The letter, therefore, shows us a description of our Lord such as Christian piety conceived him.
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Mr I tell you seems to read his only negro Bible and keeps using the "famine" argument assuming Israel and as a matter of fact all people were black starving people forever. You can see whatever you wanna see but you're not reading Hebrew.

To create teachings as the one given by Christ requires at least another Christ. I mean, a whole era was inspired enough to be called and named by that man. Please, do remember the little group of Christians rose up and faced persecution because some witnesses were still alive about things happening before the destruction of Jerusalem.

Regarding the likeness of Christ, I have to say I'm not against any color but I am strictly talking about what could be a possibility and yet, if I were a director of a would-be movie, probably I would choose someone with the squint eyes of the Japanese but green or blue eyes, curly hair and very tan, like a mulato to appeal to several ethnic background.

Even the people who rose up the B.S. flag are lying because they already came here interested in the topic they say is irrelevant. It's like that insistent topic of the atheistic people. They NEED to convince themselves and the rest the whole thread is futile and yet they keep on coming for more. It was good to meet them all,now you can withdraw since there's nothing you can add except your skeptical attitude. So be it.

I've met a lot of blue eyes negro people and many multiracial people where I live, it's not like USA or Canada, Australia, where certain race dwells in an specific neighborhood, all segregated. Mixed but not so mixed if you get my meaning.
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Al Pacino (or Dustin Hoffman) were considered for the role of Jesus in Jesus of Nazareth and Robert Powell was supposed to be Judas until someone saw him with a wig on:
[link to www.vayacine.com]
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[link to images.google.com]
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Peruvian/Scottish actor from The Gospel of Judas:
[link to www.canadianchristianity.com]
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A "document" I read was saying about a description of Christ having an extended eyebrow reaching the forehead which reminded the Basque-Jewish actor (Enrique Irazoqui)who played Christ in The Gospel according to Matthew by Piero Paolo Pasolini. The beard is wrong! Jews took care about the beard which grows 0.27 mm per month and reaches an average of 30 cm. In 3 years the beard grows 107 cm and then remains about the same but there are many champions of beards around the world, specially Hindus. Yet, in films we keep on watching Jews with a beard growing a week or two !
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Irazoqui now:
[link to www.chessbase.de]
[link to www.chessinchina.net]

Then:
[link to farm1.static.flickr.com]

[link to www.cinemadria.org]
Robert Powell nowadays:
[link to www.bbc.co.uk]

[link to www.bbc.co.uk]
[link to www.lazydayzmusic.co.uk]
Then:
[link to content8.flixster.com]
[link to www.vagrantcafe.com]
Jim Caviezel:
[link to farm1.static.flickr.com]
[link to universofantastico.files.wordpress.com]
Willem Dafoe:
[link to blog.amctv.com]
[link to arcological.com]
Jeffrey Hunter:
[link to blogs.elcomercio.com.pe]
[link to www.newprophecy.net]
Max Von Sydow:
[link to 1.bp.blogspot.com]

[link to www.geocities.com]
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Now, if people ignore about the exterior, what do they know about the DEEPER message? Churches know indeed that burden of the word "repent" is something completely different in Aramaic, the language Christ spoke. Teshuvah means something like "return and get back to thyself" and it's not just a greedy specific action which you comit again and again and again and feel sorry about. It's about the whole persona and not just an action isolated that you try to recover in your "ego" image. The same about the kingdom of God (entos humoon) in Greek which was not in a philosophical manner which didn't mean Christ was "among" disciples.It meant kingdom of God was, is and will be WITHIN us. So,the Jews also stumbled in that word "kindom" thinking, like Jehovah's Witness, it was a theocracy. It is a manner of parable that was also other things: seed sowed in the dark, inside your terrain or soil, the pearl of great value we need to seek in deeper waters, a treasure. Christ taught to pay attention not to the future problems but what is enough for TODAY, that's pay attention and be conscious of the NOW, present rather than dragging the past and "fix" it somehow erasing the bad moments and think that would change into "future": ilusion, Maya, Vedanta talking Christians ignore. Remove your eye, ear, foot or hand that drags you into this Madonna's material world...... don't you understand? Don't you know where's the eye that enlights the whole body? Who taught you the real meaning? It was not in a Christian church I tell'ya! All those sayings in films sound too empty because of the repetition without knowing. Excpet Christ's love, of course. Carry your cross means your life and aspirations (whether you achieve them or not) is futile... that's also Budhist preaching, right?

Like the man who built a farm or whatever thinking he would do better and bigger ones and lost his soul. Flesh rots but soul?
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Faith is related in Greek with the word metanoia meaning changing the mind. In a would-be film, certainly the actor with dark black eyes, or brown, blue, green and even yellow as I saw in a Peruvian guy, those eyes would have to penetrate the very inner thing, sucking you, hypnotizing you like a vaccum cleaner and leaving an emptiness. You would like to really die and follow him or run to flee from his influence. If the words of a simple man read by internet or in a book can trigger you, whether to wrath or love, can you imagine the power of an oral utterance of such a man? If even hate like Hitler's can manipulate mass of stupid people, what about him?
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Powell as Jesus: The eye makeup for 'Robert Powell consisted of a thin line of dark blue eyeliner on the upper lid of the eye, and a thin line of white eyeliner on the lower lid. This had the effect of highlighting the piercing blue of the actor's eyes, thus giving him a penetrating stare, when combined with very little blinking, made the character appear surreal and supernatural.
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[link to fotolog.terra.com.mx]
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I included a photo of Jeremy Sisto as Christ, dark deep eyes...
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And, do you know who was supposed to play Christ rather than Sweden Max Von Sidow in The Greatest Story Ever Told?
Richard Burton!
[link to pro.corbis.com]
I can understand. His EYES were intense.
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As a matter of fact, Richard Burton was asked to play Christ even in those early days of King of Kings.

The crucifixion scene had to be re-shot because a preview audience was offended at Jesus having a hairy chest.Due to Jeffrey Hunter's youthful, teen-idol appeal, the film was jokingly referred to within the industry as "I Was a Teenage Jesus" In reality, he was 35 years old at the time of filming, much closer to Jesus' real age at the time of the story (33 years) than was usual in previous Hollywood treatments. Movie audiences were accustomed to more mature actors portraying Jesus.
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Catholic ambidextrus Jim Caviezel (who refused to make a love scene with a beautiful actress in one film) dislocated his shoulder during the filming of The Passion of the Christ as everybody knows by now.He was accidently whipped in the film and couldn't even scream such the pain and lack of breathing, hypothermia and, amazingly, was struck by lightning during the filming of Mel Gibson's The Passion of the Christ in 2004. Assistant director Jan Michelini was also hit (for the second time during the shoot). A crew member said "I'm about a hundred feet away from them when I glance over and see smoke coming out of Caviezel's ears." 1dunno1