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Anonymous Coward User ID: 564739 United States 02/02/2009 01:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | By Tom Eley 23 January 2009 On Thursday, President Barack Obama issued executive orders mandating the closure of the Guantánamo Bay prison camp in a year’s time, requiring that Central Intelligence Agency (CIA) and military personnel follow the Army Field Manual’s prohibitions on torture, and closing secret CIA prisons overseas. While the media is portraying these orders as a repudiation of the detention and interrogation policies of the Bush administration, they actually change little. They essentially represent a public relations effort to refurbish the image of the United States abroad after years of torture and extralegal detentions and shield high-ranking American officials from potential criminal prosecution. In cowardly fashion, Obama staged his signing of the orders in a manner aimed at placating the political right and defenders of Guantánamo and torture and underscoring his intention to continue the Bush administration’s “war on terror.” He was flanked by 16 retired generals and admirals who have pushed for the closure of the prison camp in Cuba on the grounds that it impedes the prosecution of the global “war” and reiterated in his own remarks his determination to continue the basic political framework of the Bush administration’s foreign policy. The continuation of the ideological pretext for wars of aggression and attacks on democratic rights ensures that the police state infrastructure erected under the Bush administration will remain intact. This is further reinforced by Obama’s assurances that his administration will not investigate or prosecute those officials—including Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Alberto Gonzales and others—who were responsible for the policies of torture and illegal detention. The orders signed by Obama do not undo the Bush administration’s attacks on constitutional and international law. They do not challenge the supposed right of the president to unilaterally imprison any individual, without trial and without charges, by declaring him to be an “enemy combatant.” Nor do they end the procedure known as “extraordinary rendition,” by which the United States during the Bush years kidnapped alleged terrorists and shipped them to foreign countries or secret CIA prisons outside the US, where they were subjected to torture. They do not affect the hundreds of prisoners—600 at the Bagram prison camp in Afghanistan alone—incarcerated beyond the barbed wire of Guantánamo. If and when Guantánamo is closed, the US government will simply ship alleged terrorists caught up its international dragnet to other American-run prison camps. On the question of so-called “harsh interrogation techniques,” i.e., torture, Obama’s orders leave room for their continuation. White House Counsel Gregory Craig told reporters the administration was prepared to take into account demands from the CIA that such methods be allowed. Obama announced the creation of a task force that will consider new interrogation methods beyond those sanctioned by the Army Field Manual, which now accepts 19 forms of interrogation, as well as the practice of extraordinary rendition. Retired Admiral Dennis Blair, Obama’s nominee for director of national intelligence, told a Senate confirmation hearing that the Army Field Manual would itself be changed, potentially allowing new forms of harsh interrogation, but that such changes would be kept secret. Obama also announced a second task force that is to consider the fate of the 245 detainees remaining at Guantánamo. Earlier this week he suspended the military commission procedures at the prison camp, but has not abolished the military commissions themselves. The new administration has ruled out the only constitutional remedy for those who have been held under barbaric conditions, without due process, for years—either releasing them or giving them a speedy trial in a civilian court, with all of the accompanying legal protections and guarantees. There has been a great deal of speculation that the administration may support the establishment of a special National Security Court within the civilian court system to try Guantánamo prisoners and other alleged terrorists. This would represent yet another attack on civil liberties, setting up a drumhead court system to railroad those charged with terrorism—something that could in future be used to repress political opposition. According to NBC Nightly News on Thursday, the administration is considering keeping some 20 Guantánamo detainees, including the five alleged 9/11 conspirators currently facing military commission trials, imprisoned indefinitely without charges in a military brig within the US. Commentators have noted that the Obama administration wants to prevent noncitizens detained as terrorists from being able to exercise habeas corpus rights. Two separate measures taken Tuesday and Thursday by Obama point to a further major consideration behind his moves to close Guantánamo and finesse the issue of torture. On Thursday the administration requested a stay in the habeas corpus appeal to the Supreme Court by the only alleged enemy combatant now held on US soil—Ali al-Marri, of Qatar, whom Obama has called “dangerous.” Al-Marri’s lawyers are challenging the right of the president to arrest and jail individuals by declaring them enemy combatants, and it was expected that the Supreme Court’s hearing of the appeal would force Obama to reveal his position on the issue. This followed Tuesday’s request for a stay from the Federal District Court in Washington in similar appeals that could affect the cases of more than 200 Guantánamo prisoners. Thus, the immediate effect of the new administration’s moves is to halt civilian trials that could prove immensely damaging to the government by revealing systematic torture of the detainees and could potentially entangle high government officials. |
acolyte (OP) User ID: 308272 South Africa 02/02/2009 01:13 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Thank you for bumping :) I will love the light for it shows me the way, yet I will endure the darkness for it shows me the stars. (Og Mandino) "Credo Quia Absurdum" (I believe it because it's absurd) Links to my forum on GLP are banned so just google "the chani project forum" |
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acolyte (OP) User ID: 308272 South Africa 02/02/2009 01:16 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The continuation of the ideological pretext for wars of aggression and attacks on democratic rights ensures that the police state infrastructure erected under the Bush administration will remain intact. This is further reinforced by Obama’s assurances that his administration will not investigate or prosecute those officials—including Bush, Cheney, Rumsfeld, Alberto Gonzales and others—who were responsible for the policies of torture and illegal detention. Quoting: Anonymous Coward 564739Unbelievable ... it just goes on and they get away with it. I will love the light for it shows me the way, yet I will endure the darkness for it shows me the stars. (Og Mandino) "Credo Quia Absurdum" (I believe it because it's absurd) Links to my forum on GLP are banned so just google "the chani project forum" |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 456597 United States 02/02/2009 01:43 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Tip of the ICEBERG, CIA PRISONS torture, that's just part of america, why inprison, phoney TRIALS, just do the usual, murder!! United States getting caught, RARE, denial the usual, must be part of a campaign, of intimidation, otherwise it would be business as usual, america is a PHONEY as it get's, DENY EVERYTHING |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 605957 Italy 02/02/2009 04:04 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Well, I guess thats that. Quoting: DervishSame shit, different term. Greatly disappointed.But sadly not surprised. I hate to say this to you guys . The only change you will see is only superficial there no substance and no change . OH BANANA is just a amrketing ploy . |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 585165 United States 02/02/2009 10:19 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The banner headlines greeting President Obama’s decision to close the detention centre at Guantánamo Bay and secret CIA prisons may have CONCEALED how he has retained one of the most controversial weapons in the War on Terror. [link to www.timesonline.co.uk] |
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Princess Bride User ID: 606106 United States 02/02/2009 10:32 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The more things change; the more they stay the same. :bushhitler: This needs to be updated to have Obama's picture on it. Heart of the heroes, ride. Up through an empty house of stars, Being what heart you are, Up the inhuman steeps of space As on a staircase go in grace, Carrying the firelight on your face Beyond the loneliest star. "The Ballad Of The White Horse," G. K. Chesterton spam [link to lunarose47.wordpress.com] blog[/url] spam [link to w11.haters] |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 595676 Japan 02/02/2009 01:48 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | even more news links for this: [link to www.chicagotribune.com] [link to www.latimes.com] and i thought obama would step away from ALL the evil nazi undoings. gee! i should slap him and kick his stupid lil ass for this! this news is truly disappointing! makes me want to puke and shout at him! |
locomotion User ID: 442964 United States 02/02/2009 02:15 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | "An administration official was quoted yesterday defending rendition. “Obviously you need to preserve some tools. You still have to go after the bad guys,” said the official. “It is controversial in some circles. But if done within certain parameters, it is acceptable.” " It follows that some means of persuasian beyond the 19 forms allowed in the Military Code is expected to be used once one is 'renditioned', otherwise they would not be taken off somewhere else. So there will be torture done there. That is like 'being a little bit pregnant', a situation that will enlarge to your delight or consternation, depending. There are pros and cons to the value of information obtained under torture. That said, Torture is not an American value and it has to stop. If it doesn't stop, it will erode our cohesion as a people. It really is a such a large part of our national identity IMO. Certainly there are other areas of difference I have with the Obama administration, but my personal trust or distrust of his true intent hinges on this torture issue. Disappointing to say the least. |
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acolyte (OP) User ID: 308272 South Africa 02/02/2009 04:45 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | ch-ch-cha-change! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 522719I will love the light for it shows me the way, yet I will endure the darkness for it shows me the stars. (Og Mandino) "Credo Quia Absurdum" (I believe it because it's absurd) Links to my forum on GLP are banned so just google "the chani project forum" |
georgebushworstprezever User ID: 565924 United States 02/02/2009 06:18 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Nice try at some spin OP. Here are the facts from the relevant section: Sec. 5. Special Interagency Task Force on Interrogation and Transfer Policies. (a) Establishment of Special Interagency Task Force. There shall be established a Special Task Force on Interrogation and Transfer Policies (Special Task Force) to review interrogation and transfer policies. (b) Membership. The Special Task Force shall consist of the following members, or their designees: (i) the Attorney General, who shall serve as Chair; (ii) the Director of National Intelligence, who shall serve as Co-Vice-Chair; (iii) the Secretary of Defense, who shall serve as Co-Vice-Chair; (iv) the Secretary of State; (v) the Secretary of Homeland Security; (vi) the Director of the Central Intelligence Agency; (vii) the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff; and (viii) other officers or full-time or permanent part time employees of the United States, as determined by the Chair, with the concurrence of the head of the department or agency concerned. (c) Staff. The Chair may designate officers and employees within the Department of Justice to serve as staff to support the Special Task Force. At the request of the Chair, officers and employees from other departments or agencies may serve on the Special Task Force with the concurrence of the head of the department or agency that employ such individuals. Such staff must be officers or full-time or permanent part-time employees of the United States. The Chair shall designate an officer or employee of the Department of Justice to serve as the Executive Secretary of the Special Task Force. (d) Operation. The Chair shall convene meetings of the Special Task Force, determine its agenda, and direct its work. The Chair may establish and direct subgroups of the Special Task Force, consisting exclusively of members of the Special Task Force, to deal with particular subjects. (e) Mission. The mission of the Special Task Force shall be: (i) to study and evaluate whether the interrogation practices and techniques in Army Field Manual 2 22.3, when employed by departments or agencies outside the military, provide an appropriate means of acquiring the intelligence necessary to protect the Nation, and, if warranted, to recommend any additional or different guidance for other departments or agencies; and (ii) to study and evaluate the practices of transferring individuals to other nations in order to ensure that such practices comply with the domestic laws, international obligations, and policies of the United States and do not result in the transfer of individuals to other nations to face torture or otherwise for the purpose, or with the effect, of undermining or circumventing the commitments or obligations of the United States to ensure the humane treatment of individuals in its custody or control. (f) Administration. The Special Task Force shall be established for administrative purposes within the Department of Justice and the Department of Justice shall, to the extent permitted by law and subject to the availability of appropriations, provide administrative support and funding for the Special Task Force. (g) Recommendations. The Special Task Force shall provide a report to the President, through the Assistant to the President for National Security Affairs and the Counsel to the President, on the matters set forth in subsection (d) within 180 days of the date of this order, unless the Chair determines that an extension is necessary. (h) Termination. The Chair shall terminate the Special Task Force upon the completion of its duties. [link to www.whitehouse.gov] |
locomotion User ID: 258582 United States 02/03/2009 11:20 AM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | It's wrong in my view, always was and always will be. Very little debate or even interest in this decision to put it all in limbo for 180 days (at least) while the rules are changed to make it all A-OK. Ex post facto, then no need to look at which top level officials authorized it to begin with. So I must be on the wrong side of this issue, torture IS an American value after all. Bye Bye Miss American Pie, just can't put my finger on when exactly was 'the day the music died'. |