Wingmakers Introduction 6-minute movie - Haunting music and striking imagery

THE PAINTINGS LOOK NATIVE, some from Peru, the Lyrics are TRUE, and so are CROPCIRCLES, and so is the ONE YOU LOOK FOR, and so is the scriptures, your book, the BIBLE, and so is the beast, that you people have tried so hard to produce, to bad everything you do is a LIE

jdd, what do you suggest instead? wingmakers recommends meditation and getting to know oneself. wingmakers does not endorse or encourage one to gain "enlightenment" from another teacher or master, it is within.

Wingmakers has some very valuable information. as do many others.

you kind of come across like a pompous know it all. I believe you have good intentions but your tone is off putting.

that vid makes me want to be really good and spiritual so i can ascend into a higher being and shoot lasers out my eyeballs.

Any 2nd degree reiki student already knows how to do that one. I did it all the time loads of fun.....great bar trick.

Just wanted to hook this so I can come back tomorrow.

Sorry to sound pompous. It's not because I think I'm 'special' or 'knowledgeable', it's because I believe there is such a thing as Absolute Truth, and that non-truth, or partial truth, is obvious in comparison. So yes, I'm confident about my position, but please don't confuse that with pomposity.

What do I suggest? Well, I gave at least an indication of that in my first post in this thread. Wingmakers doesn't endorse a teacher, but they put themselves forth as the facilitator, which is essentially the same thing.

On the subject of whether or not one needs a teacher, we can look around us for evidence of what works and what doesn't work. How many of those who have properly dedicated themselves to a qualified, bona fide teacher are making little or no progress? How many are making significant progress? Well, I've seen many people with qualified teachers, and I see the majority of them making significant spiritual progress.

Now how about all those around us who don't have a bona fide spiritual teacher, but are instead reading books, attending workshops, "meditating" (which one can rarely do properly without a teacher), etc. What kind of spiritual progress are they making? Having spent 15 years (quite a few years back now) out on the 'circuit' teaching various spiritual practices, I've seen thousands of people in this category. Only the rare few appeared to be making significant progress in their spiritual lives. Most were perennial seekers… always looking, never finding.

So in my mind, the case is solid (and diverse scripture supports the notion) that one who is serious about making spiritual advancement should accept a spiritual master, a guru, a teacher, call them what you will.

What do I suggest? I suggest that if you're serious, you find a teacher who is clearly displaying the symptoms of love of God, and who willingly, freely offers his/her knowledge, at no cost. When you find such a teacher (which only happens by the grace of God), then humble yourself as much as possible, and in a sincere and submissive mood begin to inquire from them about spiritual matters. When I say 'submissive' I don't mean mindless or blind follower. I mean humbly. Ask a million questions, challenge anything that doesn't seem right, until you're satisfied that a) the teacher is bona fide, and b) the knowledge is pure and Absolute.

Once you're in that position, never look back. Develop a burning desire to do nothing but engage in that process, and your life will be perfect.

As for Wingmakers, I think they're bogus. They are making bogus claims, as I pointed out in my original post. No "absolute" philosophy or school of teaching has at its foundation bogus, non-truthful claims. As for all the "others" you refer to, you'll have to be more specific before I can comment.



jdd, what do you suggest instead? wingmakers recommends meditation and getting to know oneself. wingmakers does not endorse or encourage one to gain "enlightenment" from another teacher or master, it is within.

Wingmakers has some very valuable information. as do many others.

you kind of come across like a pompous know it all. I believe you have good intentions but your tone is off putting.

Mr. Hill,

Did I ever mention how I discovered GLP?

It was through another site where Tiaka9(Bridas) was posting.

I followed his link to his website
[link to www.geocities.com]
where I discovered mention of Godlike Productions.

Okay, one more time

IT IS NOT THE MESSENGER

IT IS THE MESSAGE.

Everyone is confusing the two and that is how cults are emerge.

Mr. Hill,

Did I ever mention how I discovered GLP?

It was through another site where Tiaka9(Bridas) was posting.

I followed his link to his website
[link to www.geocities.com]
where I discovered mention of Godlike Productions.


I still miss Bridas..!!
A great loss when he left GLP.

I definitely don't think anyone needs a "teacher" and anyone that expounds that notion is no closer to the truth than the majority. All the answers are inside us and James did give a technique on meditation. Again, listen to the "inner" self. That's where the teacher awaits.

I studied I lived in the woods nearly 20 years, sometimes u have to concentrate. Stay focused nobody said it would be easy

I studied I lived in the woods nearly 20 years, sometimes u have to concentrate. Stay focused nobody said it would be easy

maybe alittle too long?

Mr. Hill,

Did I ever mention how I discovered GLP?

It was through another site where Tiaka9(Bridas) was posting.

I followed his link to his website
[link to www.geocities.com]
where I discovered mention of Godlike Productions.

I definitely don't think anyone needs a "teacher" and anyone that expounds that notion is no closer to the truth than the majority. All the answers are inside us and James did give a technique on meditation. Again, listen to the "inner" self. That's where the teacher awaits.