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HippyChild  (OP)

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Thanks for the helpful contribution, you are truly a modern-day fountain of wisdom...
It's all about perspective..
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Hippy - please see a previous thread for info on "common purpose" - it's stalinist and they are penetrating: police, schools, NHS, councils, the BBC (big time) amongst many other organisations. The David dIcke site has got a short intro vid on todays headlines too. Please read, watch and pass on to as many as possible.

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hf
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I'm sick of the present government but mostly I'm angry because they have left me with no-one viable to vote for at the next election. I'd rather chew my own leg off than help a conservative government get in again after the asset stripping party they had last time, the libs are non-existant and labour isn't labour any more. It's going to have to be the Raving Looney Monster party I think, but even that isn't the same since Screaming Lord Sutch died. :(
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Mirabilis - I feel same. The 3 main parties are no good at all and our present system is not democratic at all. So, without an alternative I will vote either UKIP or BNP as they at least campaign to leave the corrupt EU. If neither of these available then I will put a line through ballot paper and write "NONE OF THE ABOVE" on it. Oh and google the "none of the above party" you may be interested in what you read.

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I think its the Scots. The bastards are destroying England, Blair was a Scot, Brown is a Scot, Darling is a Scot.The fucking Scots are breaking England, its time to rebuild Hadrian Wall !!!
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I don't care AT ALL about about bankers getting their bonuses... I care about the plans set in motion to demand that I submit my biometric data to the state otherwise I cannot even leave this island!!!

WHY IS THERE NO DISCUSSION IN THE PUBLIC ARENA REGULARLY AND LOUDLY ABOUT THOSE PLANS WHICH AFFECT MORE PEOPLE THAN 500 CITY GUYS????
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I don't care AT ALL about about bankers getting their bonuses... I care about the plans set in motion to demand that I submit my biometric data to the state otherwise I cannot even leave this island!!!

WHY IS THERE NO DISCUSSION IN THE PUBLIC ARENA REGULARLY AND LOUDLY ABOUT THOSE PLANS WHICH AFFECT MORE PEOPLE THAN 500 CITY GUYS????
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Because UK media is utimatley controlled by the state via D Notices...

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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I don't care AT ALL about about bankers getting their bonuses... I care about the plans set in motion to demand that I submit my biometric data to the state otherwise I cannot even leave this island!!!

WHY IS THERE NO DISCUSSION IN THE PUBLIC ARENA REGULARLY AND LOUDLY ABOUT THOSE PLANS WHICH AFFECT MORE PEOPLE THAN 500 CITY GUYS????


Because UK media is utimatley controlled by the state via D Notices...

[link to en.wikipedia.org]
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..... also cosy agreements between Fleet Street (Wapping) Editors not to 'rock the boat'
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Oh and google the "none of the above party" you may be interested in what you read.

hf
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I just had a look at their website - it's an interesting idea and it will be fascinating to see if the idea spreads as they want it to. Something has to be done because the choice at the moment is no choice at all.
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I think this website is very interesting:
[link to www.tpuc.org]
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Un-Fucking-Believable!

It's from The Independant as well.. It's gotta be legit.

Nice link man, tis definitely one for the bookmarks.


I can't believe this stuff is going on! What the hell is going on with this country? So much for freedom of speech..
I mean, sure, it was Whitehall, but I'm still pretty sure that this contradicts our human rights in some way, shape or form :/

After putting in abit of research last night, I've come to the conclusion, that our Government is in violation of several of their own legislations, and the Queen is abusing her position, and not putting rest to the situation..

Can't link you up, I'm at a friends doing some mixing.. Got no info here..

Keep me posted if you find anything else to disgust and appaul me lol..

I'll get back on it later.


Thanks man.
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There are a ton of stories on that melonfarmers site and like it says at the top there "Bollox Britain: Ashamed to be British".. I too am ashamed to be British these days.

Our own goverment should be arrested for treason but its never gonna happen cause too many people are so full of BS they been feeding us.

got some youtubes and will post after watching them if there any good that is.
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Ok, so people...what are our options?

A great deal of the population are either ignorant to the problems, or truly believe that the Government has our best interests at heart. We're just crazy anti-authoritarians in their eyes.

What can we actually do to stem this?

I'm not sure that a petition would do it.

We would need to raise awareness, and get people to start caring..

Brainstorm? Any ideas at all? Cause, pretty soon it's going to be too late if I'm not mistaken..
It's all about perspective..
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Hippy - please see a previous thread for info on "common purpose" - it's stalinist and they are penetrating: police, schools, NHS, councils, the BBC (big time) amongst many other organisations. The David dIcke site has got a short intro vid on todays headlines too. Please read, watch and pass on to as many as possible.

Thread: can we post about common purpose? its big brother is a banned word

hf
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Thanks! And I shall do :)

Much reading to do lol.. Shedding my ignorance on these matters has been long overdue.
It's all about perspective..
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I think this website is very interesting:
[link to www.tpuc.org]
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Good call hf
It's all about perspective..
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Greetings to our brothers and sisters across the pond.

Not sure what, if anything, you can do to reign in your oppressors.

You see, the things that are happening in the UK are precisely why Americans fight to preserve and protect our Constitutional rights.

Yet time again, Brits mercilessly admonish Americans for our "arrogance".

I do hope you find a path which will free your country from the oppression, for you are no longer a free people.

Liberty no longer exists. Your thoughts, speech, or simple possession of a quote from a book or a magazine article is enough cause to arrest, indefinitely detain *without legal counsel*, and face incarceration.

It's maddening to see what's taking place over there.
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"I can't believe this stuff is going on! What the hell is going on with this country? So much for freedom of speech..
I mean, sure, it was Whitehall, but I'm still pretty sure
Our own goverment should be arrested for treason but its never gonna happen cause too many people are so full of BS they been feeding us."

Our Leaders cannot be arrested and charged with treason as THEY REPEALED THE TREASON LAWS. Blair did this back in 97/98 as he began his destruction of Britain. I know this as a personal friend attempted top take the Government to court for treason and could not proceed due to changes in the Law which had not made headlines!

That link above os good as it brings together various ideas that we have discuused including common purpose. Please view as much as possible about this insideous organisation.

hf
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Kyuubi

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Ok, so people...what are our options?

A great deal of the population are either ignorant to the problems, or truly believe that the Government has our best interests at heart. We're just crazy anti-authoritarians in their eyes.

What can we actually do to stem this?

I'm not sure that a petition would do it.

We would need to raise awareness, and get people to start caring..

Brainstorm? Any ideas at all? Cause, pretty soon it's going to be too late if I'm not mistaken..
 Quoting: HippyChild


The problem is information, its all out here on the web to be seen for themselves but if they dont know its there then it dont really exist. Most people tune in to the BBC or the other Owned media outlets and newpapers for the truth. Trouble is its all BS and there to distract from ALL that is taking place behind them and right in front of them..

I will say I've never been proud of been British but I would like to be but right now the homeland my Grandad and so many thousands more fought and died for is itself on the dam life support machine.

So I guess what we have to do is spread the word become the flames that will set the whole dam forest aflame with questions and a thousand other things... I had the idea of printing out a few of them websites and leaving them everywhere I could because if it looks important people will get curious..

Or maybe what we need to do is draft a Constitution of our own and spread that around.. email, leaflets whatever ..there are some great minds on GLP we can come up with something..

We need to start comming together and not fighting over everything they give us to devide us and make us fight.
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"I can't believe this stuff is going on! What the hell is going on with this country? So much for freedom of speech..
I mean, sure, it was Whitehall, but I'm still pretty sure
Our own goverment should be arrested for treason but its never gonna happen cause too many people are so full of BS they been feeding us."

Our Leaders cannot be arrested and charged with treason as THEY REPEALED THE TREASON LAWS. Blair did this back in 97/98 as he began his destruction of Britain. I know this as a personal friend attempted top take the Government to court for treason and could not proceed due to changes in the Law which had not made headlines!

That link above os good as it brings together various ideas that we have discuused including common purpose. Please view as much as possible about this insideous organisation.

hf
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I'll be home tomorrow (well, today). Going to spend the day researching, don't worry, I'll cover it :P

I believe, but I'm always wary of conspiracy theories and speculation. I've gotta do a considerable amount of personal research before I officially class an organisation as evil and treasonous, but I trust you..

I'll get back to you on it when I can.

Cheers man.
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Greetings to our brothers and sisters across the pond.

Not sure what, if anything, you can do to reign in your oppressors.

You see, the things that are happening in the UK are precisely why Americans fight to preserve and protect our Constitutional rights.

Yet time again, Brits mercilessly admonish Americans for our "arrogance".

I do hope you find a path which will free your country from the oppression, for you are no longer a free people.

Liberty no longer exists. Your thoughts, speech, or simple possession of a quote from a book or a magazine article is enough cause to arrest, indefinitely detain *without legal counsel*, and face incarceration.

It's maddening to see what's taking place over there.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 583957


Thanks for the show of concern man..

Me and some friends are working on it :) Hopefully to some avail.

I think that the time for comtemplation is drawing to an end..
At least some form of opposition needs to be applied, or we may well be FUCKED.

There's more going on that you know.. and the deeper you dig, the more disgusted you will become.

Yeahhh...*scratches head* We do have a problem with that... but i can assure you that it's all in innocent ignorance. Most of the UK just plain hate Americans, judgement placed entirely on the actions of your government.

I can't generalise, but I know that I've thought it, and even said it in the past. All I can say is.. my bad.

Don't judge our nation for the general ignorance, it's the media, and the portrayal of your government and country. You know how it is, it can hardly be helped.

Either way, sorry man!

And thanks again :)
It's all about perspective..
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The problem is information, its all out here on the web to be seen for themselves but if they dont know its there then it dont really exist. Most people tune in to the BBC or the other Owned media outlets and newpapers for the truth. Trouble is its all BS and there to distract from ALL that is taking place behind them and right in front of them..

I will say I've never been proud of been British but I would like to be but right now the homeland my Grandad and so many thousands more fought and died for is itself on the dam life support machine.

So I guess what we have to do is spread the word become the flames that will set the whole dam forest aflame with questions and a thousand other things... I had the idea of printing out a few of them websites and leaving them everywhere I could because if it looks important people will get curious..

Or maybe what we need to do is draft a Constitution of our own and spread that around.. email, leaflets whatever ..there are some great minds on GLP we can come up with something..

We need to start comming together and not fighting over everything they give us to devide us and make us fight.
 Quoting: Kyuubi


I really like the idea of printing stuff out and leaving it around. Cafe's, Restaurants, SCHOOLS, COLLEGES! Young minds are a powerful thing, the less corrupted by governmental policy and consumerism, the better. Not that i advocate brainwashing kids in any way... but if they take an interest, word will indefinitely spread.

It just depends on how many people we could get on board :/. I've got alot of friends who would love nothing more than to help this cause, but the UK's pretty big lol.

How about advertising on the M1? *cough* spray paint *cough* lol.. It HAS been considered, but perhaps not the correct portrayal of our principles and concerns *rolls eyes*..

A new constitution? I like it. Depends how riske our points would be. If the government feels too threatened, I don't doubt that we would suffer for being affiliated. Perhaps I'm just being paranoid... but they must have some sort of anti-Gov propaganda control, or the people would know already.

Great ideas man, keep thinking on these lines.

We need more people in on this at any rate. The more perspectives on the problem, the fairer our argument.

Peace x
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I don't care AT ALL about about bankers getting their bonuses... I care about the plans set in motion to demand that I submit my biometric data to the state otherwise I cannot even leave this island!!!

WHY IS THERE NO DISCUSSION IN THE PUBLIC ARENA REGULARLY AND LOUDLY ABOUT THOSE PLANS WHICH AFFECT MORE PEOPLE THAN 500 CITY GUYS????
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 612675


Makes you wonder...

It's one reason as to why I've always hesitated to take the isssues public.

I do not wish to be 'opressed'...
It's all about perspective..
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I really like the idea of printing stuff out and leaving it around. Cafe's, Restaurants, SCHOOLS, COLLEGES! Young minds are a powerful thing, the less corrupted by governmental policy and consumerism, the better. Not that i advocate brainwashing kids in any way... but if they take an interest, word will indefinitely spread.

It just depends on how many people we could get on board :/. I've got alot of friends who would love nothing more than to help this cause, but the UK's pretty big lol.

How about advertising on the M1? *cough* spray paint *cough* lol.. It HAS been considered, but perhaps not the correct portrayal of our principles and concerns *rolls eyes*..

A new constitution? I like it. Depends how riske our points would be. If the government feels too threatened, I don't doubt that we would suffer for being affiliated. Perhaps I'm just being paranoid... but they must have some sort of anti-Gov propaganda control, or the people would know already.

Great ideas man, keep thinking on these lines.

We need more people in on this at any rate. The more perspectives on the problem, the fairer our argument.

Peace x
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Thats one great idea there with the cafes, Schools and Colleges not sure if they have rules about that ..dam rules but I know coffee shops and cafes dont so tag the places they like to hang out hmmm

Yeah the Uk is pretty big but like think it was Budda said "Even the smallest of pebbles makes big ripples :)

I just had a flux capacitor moment lol ok so whitehall and such is off limits for peaceful protests and such like but ermm what about TV news stations??? They would have no choice but to cover the story what ever it would be cause its right outside their doors lmao
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I really like the idea of printing stuff out and leaving it around. Cafe's, Restaurants, SCHOOLS, COLLEGES! Young minds are a powerful thing, the less corrupted by governmental policy and consumerism, the better. Not that i advocate brainwashing kids in any way... but if they take an interest, word will indefinitely spread.

It just depends on how many people we could get on board :/. I've got alot of friends who would love nothing more than to help this cause, but the UK's pretty big lol.

How about advertising on the M1? *cough* spray paint *cough* lol.. It HAS been considered, but perhaps not the correct portrayal of our principles and concerns *rolls eyes*..

A new constitution? I like it. Depends how riske our points would be. If the government feels too threatened, I don't doubt that we would suffer for being affiliated. Perhaps I'm just being paranoid... but they must have some sort of anti-Gov propaganda control, or the people would know already.

Great ideas man, keep thinking on these lines.

We need more people in on this at any rate. The more perspectives on the problem, the fairer our argument.

Peace x


Thats one great idea there with the cafes, Schools and Colleges not sure if they have rules about that ..dam rules but I know coffee shops and cafes dont so tag the places they like to hang out hmmm

Yeah the Uk is pretty big but like think it was Budda said "Even the smallest of pebbles makes big ripples :)

I just had a flux capacitor moment lol ok so whitehall and such is off limits for peaceful protests and such like but ermm what about TV news stations??? They would have no choice but to cover the story what ever it would be cause its right outside their doors lmao
 Quoting: Kyuubi


Yeah, it can be done :)

Schools and colleges, yeah, I'm pretty sure that they'll have rules about that, though they wouldn't be hard to get around. I'll give it an attempt later this week and see what happens lol..

Noted lol! Wise words from the buddhist master :P

TV new stations *give thumbs up*. Would be a far safer way to protest, and you'd definitely get noticed..
Definitely something to do, but we'd need waaaaaaay higher numbers before we could consider actually doing it lol.. I'm pretty sure they'd still find something to arrest us for.


If we keep this whole thing intelligent, then they can't deny our arguments. But the second we start quoting conspiracies and associating our protest with less than reputable characters, they'll be able to dismiss us as idiots and crazy people. Which they will, I can promise you. It's all going to be hard, as the media is going to be agaihnst us for the most part... I would assume anyway. I highly doubt that they're going to portrey us as intelligent individuals with valid points unless there is no doubt in it whatsoever..

Still not home lol.. Clearer thoughts on the matter coming soon.

Peace x
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Definitely worth a look if you haven't already..
[link to www.direct.gov.uk]

And also:

'The British Constitution

The British Constitution is a set of rules of government. Some of the rules are about procedures such as how often elections must be held. Others are concerned with the amount of power held by the government specifying what the government can or cannot do.

Unlike most other countries, such as the United States of America or India, the British Constitution is not written down in a single formal document. Instead the rights and responsibilities we have as individuals and as a society are formed from a number of different sources.

Much of the constitution is based on unwritten customs and rules called conventions.
In addition further protection is provided by:

* formal written legislation created and agreed by Parliament - statute law
* law developed by judges as part of the justice system - common law
* law made in Europe which affects the UK as a factor of our membership in the European Union - EC law'

I'm looking for a definitive summary of these 'unwritten customs and conventions'..

Any information on that would be great. But I'll keep looking.

And any stories in direct defiance of British human rights (see the link) would also be welcomed.

We need to see how many rules these guys are actually breaking..
It's all about perspective..
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Oh and google the "none of the above party" you may be interested in what you read.

hf


I just had a look at their website - it's an interesting idea and it will be fascinating to see if the idea spreads as they want it to. Something has to be done because the choice at the moment is no choice at all.
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Spreading it. It's really good stuff, and from the people I've spoken to, no one even knows about these guys!

It's all about awareness of choice. We get Lib dem, Labour, and Conservative parties contacting and advertising their existance constantly... How does an honest party that cares about the people, not the money, possibly stand a chance against parties with such huge funds?

*sighs* .
It's all about perspective..
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Hi hippy - Glad you like the "none of the above" idea, I've used it if I have not been happy with choice of candidates (ie. no ukip, bnp or good independent). It shows that people are NOT "apathetic" as polititians like to make out.

If only the large amount of people who are genuinely disenchanted with politics would make the effort to spoil their papers like this it would show the "powers that be" that we have had enough of our sham democracy and the two party state.

Just imagine if parliament was filled with independents working together instead of MP's 3-6 parties? Now that IS democracy! But I cannot see it happening here - too much at stake.

hf
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take a look at the thread was john smith murdered cool site

After the conclusion of the Diane inquest whitewash, I began thinking of all the other assassinations, cook, kelly, JFK jr, JFK, King, X, not to mention 911. Smith would have been an old time labor PM. Something the NWO Illuminati establishment could not accept. Remember the talk of a coup when Wilson was in power. So Smith dies and Blair becomes PM. Blair who creates new labor, supports GM, university fees, the dismembering of British society, gambling, war in Iraq, Afghanistan. blair was placed by his NWO Illuminati masters.
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Hi AC - Smith; I came across this adea about 12 months ago and to me it seems obvious that he was taken out of the game to make way for Blair (both him & Cook died out on a mountain!!! Not at same time of course) - you got any links to look at cos I haven't?

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From Albion on thread "Was John Smith murdered"

Intersting direction this "Was John Smith Murdered" and the David Kelly vid. Definetly related.

Trying to view the above vid, it states "embeded removed by request" how curious. I doubt the people that made the vid would make such a request. It is of concern that alot of stuff seems to get "censored".

Below is the link. It's a very good vid. At 4.00 Blair is interviewed on the death of Kelly, he looks shit scared and like he knows that kelly was Xed.

The Kelly Affair - UK

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On the BBC today, there was a report on MI6 interviewing terror suspects after they were tortured by Pakistani Inteligence. One of those talking stated that Brit Int has a get out clause, they also called it a James Bond clause, where they can do anything they want!

Is this the kind of world we want to live in? Is this the government we are meant to trust?





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