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Experts Divided On The UFO Dilemma

 
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In the field of UFO study, there stands some well-known
personages, experts about strange flying things in the sky (and
some on the ground too).

One true expert, Stanton Friedman, persists in examining and re-
examining UFO episodes, because some are not resolved, at least
to everyone’s satisfaction. These include the MJ-12 documents,
Roswell, and others.

But there are those who confirm Tocqueville’s observation
(Democracy in America) that, in the United States, if one
doesn’t conform to the majority view, they are ostracized,
shunned by their peers.

This is how it is in the UFO community: if you stray from the
orthodox view that UFOs are real, and probably alien
(extraterrestrial) craft, you’ll be marginalized by those who
want their other-worldly view to be the prevailing one.

Bizarre imaginings and speculation are verboten in the UFO
community. Hegemony of the ´visitors from space but just
unproven´ theory of UFOs is necessary at all costs.

And viewpoints which explain some UFO events as prosaic
occurrences are swept under the hegemonic rug. The UFO cause has
become sacrosanct for some UFO experts, and those who take an
unorthodox position are pilloried, sometimes inquisitionally.

UFOs (flying saucers) have remained a modern mystery for 55
years now. No one has been able to prove that they even exist,
although the circumstantial evidence is palpable.

New approaches to UFO investigation are encouraged but then set
aside for a continuing debate, which is far easier to do than to
pursue the matter from somewhere other than an armchair.

Old UFO sightings are mined to the point of exhaustion because
someone has already done the legwork. New sightings are noted,
but that’s about all, except for the sporadic computer analysis,
again from an armchair or comfortable desk setting.

Shall I name the culprits, er experts who maim real UFO
investigation because they’re locked into past paradigms and
glories?

Ah, but you know who they are, don’t you?


Rich Reynolds
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Where´s the beef ??? All the ufo´s and abductions you would think there would be 1 fucking piece of artifact instead of just fuzzy out of focus pictures.
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skeptical ed you need bifocals
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>

>According to physicist Claudius Gros, the author of another UFO
>related paper (in press) soon to be published in the same
>Journal of the British Interplanetary Society (JBIS), a _single_
>advanced spacefaring civilization in our galaxy could colonize
>nearly the entire Milky Way, including our stellar
>neighbourhood, in as little as 1 million years. The fact that we
>have not yet detected their presence (Gros ignores oral
>traditions and the written histories of various peoples and
>cultures from all over the world which describe visitations of
>beings from the heavens and makes no reference to modern UFO
>sightings as evidence) suggests to me that we are unique and
>alone in the galaxy, if not the entire universe. This is a very
>sobering thought indeed.

> [link to arxiv.org]

>Gros´ paper was discussed at York University´s Astronomy Journal
>Club meeting, in Toronto, today where I was also present. Very
>few of those at this meeting, including myself, could find much
>support for the popular belief expressed by fellow physicists
>Bernard Haisch, James Deardorff, Bruce Maccabee and Harold
>Puthoff in their JBIS paper that not only many advanced
>civilizations do exist among the hundreds of billions of stars
>which make up our galaxy but some of these civilizations are
>even located in our very own backyard of space. I guess only
>radio SETI and time will tell us which belief is correct.

It has been my experience that most astronomers consider
themselves experts on interstellar travel, alien behavior, UFOs,
and national security. Unfortunately, it has also been my
experience that they know very little about any of these. Their
past record is miserable.

Astronomer Newcomb proved that it would be impossible to fly an
aircraft other than a balloon - 2 months before the Wright
brothers.

About 20 years later Astronomer Bickerton proved it would be
impossible to place a satellite in orbit.

Astronomer Campbell in 1941 mathematically demonstrated that the
required initial launch weight of a chemical rocket able to send
a man to the moon and back would be a million million tons. He
was only off by a factor of 300 million.

More recently the astronomers told us the surface of Venus was
probably a tropical paradise, that there had never been water on
Mars, that Space Travel is utter bilge.

Ignorance combined with arrogance is a terrible combination.

I would be delighted to present a lecture at York University,
Toronto - on an expenses only basis, or to engage in a formal
public debate such as I had with former Air Force Officer McGaha
at Middle Tennessee State University - Are Flying Saucers Real?
If a lecture, I would be happy to appear at a colloquium,
seminar, classroom or whatever.

Nick, how about conveying my challenge?

If they wanted to charge admission, the profits could go to
Tsunami relief or their favorite charity. Maybe you could get
Student Government involved. I would be happy to send background
material. They might be interested in my website piece,
Challenge To SETI Specialists, at:

www.stanfriedman.com

It has a bio as well.

I realize that SETI Specialists and Astronmers think we are the
"crown of creation". I think that it is much closer to the truth
that we are like the baboons in a nature preserve, completely
unaware of what is happening in the outside world.


Stan Friedman
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yea...get a grip my friend..and show me PROOF..you can´t because there isn´t any, just speculation. If it were true we wouldn´t be having this discussion...
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skeptical ed I think you need to be programmed see TFT
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Hey ED, you ever think maybe they don´t want to be seen, remember these people are a million more times smarter then us, or I should say awake. This year you will no longer be a skeptic, thats a guarantee.
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How is it even possible that the modern world just ignores the evidence that ufo´s exist?

It seems like it was a widely accepted belief in ancient times.

When did "we" stop?

I am never amazed at what the government gets people to believe just by stating it as the truth.
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skeptical ed ....... better UFO pictures just for you

[link to www.neilslade.com]
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Eye witnesses hard evidence? Click here Special Ed.
[link to www.netro.ca]

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Ed you might want to investigate this... check this out

[link to www.nuforc.org]
or
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NUFORC Home Page
Web Report Indexes : by Event Date | by Location | by Shape | by Posting Date
National UFO Reporting Center Sighting Report
Occurred : 9/30/2001 20:00 (Entered as : 10/30/01 8:pm)
Reported: 10/9/2001 7:49:08 AM 07:49
Posted: 3/21/2003
Location: Lakewood, CO
Shape: Sphere
Duration:15 to 20 MM
((NUFORC Note: We express our gratitude to the witness, Mr. Stan Romanek, who submitted this report, who has appeared on radio and television programs about this incident. Since he has received considerable publicity over this incident, we feel justified in identifying the witness here, which NUFORC traditionally avoids doing.

Also, we express our gratitude to Mr. George Zeiler, Deputy International Director of the Mutual UFO Network, Lakewood, CO, for his effort in performing an in-depth investigation of this case, and for arranging to have the photographic evidence analyzed.

To listen to these two individuals recount the events surrounding this case, please click on the following URL: [link to events.yahoo.com]

Both gentleman appeared on the Jeff Rense program on June 11, 2002, which is archived at the above site.

NOTE: The object described below was caught by at least three video cameras. The footage was shown by George Zeiler to unidentified, senior officials at NASA, and they apparently expressed considerable interest in the evidence. They apparently have made no public comment about it, that NUFORC is aware of. PD))


October 30th 2001. 8:00 pm I had gotten home from work and just went to get gas. I was on my way back from the gas station when I noticed a spotlight hitting the ground next to my van, wile I was driving. Were I live, they have a lot of police helicopters patrolling the area at night, so I didn´t pay any attention. The light hit my van and as it did I rolled down the window and waved above my van. Even though I could not see what I though might be a police helicopter. I realized something was wrong. I couldn´t here any helicopter blade noise! It was at that time I also noticed that the car behind me had slammed on it breaks and was stopped in the middle of the road a ways back. Also as I passed the intersection I noticed the person stopped at the light had his head hanging out the window and was staring at my van, as I drove bye. By that time the spotlight went out. I looked out my side window and that´s when I saw the dam thing. It couldn´t have been more then 40 feet above my van. It was the size of my van looked spherical. The thing was blinking rapidly about 3 to 4 blinks a sec. a red orange color. But the bottom of it was a real bright greenish blue. The whole thing was lit up. There was a fool moon out that night with a few clouds and you could see this thing as bright as the moon it self! About a sec. After I first saw this thing, it shot out in front of me. I hit the gas and followed it. I was doing about 60 chasing it, when we got to a park that was in that area. It suddenly went right, towards the park and stopped for a minute, above a big tree. I turned in to the parking lot almost flipping my van and grabbed my video camera from under the seat. I started filming! Thank God I had my camera in the car. It slowly drifted southeast. No sound what so ever. There were times it would just shoot off at real high speed and I would have to find it again with my camera. I drove to the end of the parking lot and got some more good footage. When I got there I noticed there were a! lot of people there watching this thing to. They started coming towards me. I found out they were there in the park for a late birthday party. To my surprise they also had cameras! ! ! We all watched it dart around and accelerate away right in to a cloud. As weird as it sounds, when it did there would be lightning flashes but no thunder!?!? It did this a few times. We could see it go in (flash) then it would come back out for a few minutes. Then it would do it again, then (flash) but still no thunder. Then it just went away. I got every one on video and we all exchanged numbers. I know there were more people that saw this when I while driving, but they drove away in a hurry!

((NUFORC Note: We have spoken with this witness, and we find him, and the other co-witnesses to be credible. Still photos and video forwarded to NUFORC, which appears interesting. Witness called to correct the date of the incident to 30SE01, as opposed to 30OC01, as first indicated. Case is passed off to Dr. John Schuessler, International Director of the Mutual UFO Network, which is based in Lakewood, CO. PD))
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Ed sure there´s a lot of ufo crap too.. go to an read up!

[link to www.ufowatchdog.com]
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good night Ed!
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Historical Paintings with UFO´s
[link to www.2012.com.au]

Crop Circle Video
[link to kaput.com]
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:grndude:
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Thankyou for that video Anon,I was looking for it.For they assume all Ufos are physical objects.
(Chuckle) had these things in my house.
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But these "Will O the Wisps" were not as big as the ones over that field in the video...

"A bigger piece of me." Pokey
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"Thankyou for that video Anon,I was looking for it.For they assume all Ufos are physical objects.
(Chuckle) had these things in my house."

stgeorge, could you breifly summerize your experiance here? I would appreciate it.





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