Nothing is true, Everything is permitted...

I finally have come to a small understanding of the phrase, "Nothing is true, everything is permitted".

It does not mean that there is no such thing as Truth, for it is obvious to any that there is a Truth - otherwise the very phrase would have no meaning in itself.


Rather, its point is that this reality before you and the way you view it are allowed by you.

This is not an obvious thing to all, but all do practice it.



Some have to find a way to permit themselves a change in reality, i.e. - going to the dentist to fix your teeth, taking drugs to change your mode of awareness, etc...

But, there are those who do realize and understand this, and they simply permit themselves without a way other than in permission.



Shamans healing others. Yeshua changing water to wine and curing the blind. etcetera.




One must first realize... And then they must learn to understand.

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Ahhh too deep for me to contemplate bro.

Maybe i'll understand what you are expressing soon.

Friggin' BUMP!

If you are going to title your post after the only absolute truth in the universe, you should at least give credit to William S. Burroughs and maybe even Marco Polo for spreading the dubious tale of Hassan I Sabbah, the old man of the mountain.

If Islam had followed in his path, rather than the way it went, we might live in a far more enlightened world. But as it is, all monothesitic Abrahamic religions (xtians, joos, muslims) have become mechanisms of CONTROL. there is no real truth left anywhere.

but then again, nothing is true...the biggest conspiracy of all is trying to keep people in the one so-called consensual reality (i sure never signed up for this shit)

ah, sorry about that... i didn't know who the "author" of the quote was. i will edit the OP to include such.




maybe you did? afterall, there must be some reason you are here.

I pretty much agree. The very phrase "nothing is true, everything is permitted" is somewhat of a paradox. my mom found it on my drum machine years ago and asked me, "well what about my love for you? is that not true?"

it really made me think. as much as i "hate" my family for their status quo lifestyle, i absolutely love them for being so tolerant of me and for the love and support they've offered even though my whole purpose for living is antithetical to much of what they consider sacred. but still, coming from my 'mommy', the point hit home - i agree that 'nothing is true,' but in another sense, that means truth is only what we make of it. there is no absolute "truth" or "permission" or even good/evil. its all in the perception. like the old cliche one man's freedom fighter is another's terrorist.i feel that is very true (or equally untrue!) whatever side you fall on. i would support terrorists whether they fight the right or the left, so long as they are fighting against government (enemy of humanity) and for freedom. then again, if they were fighting to impose a religious dogma on people, then i would see them as enemies, even if they are killing people like fundie christians with whom i generally disagree with.

nothing is true. everything is permitted.

for someone who doesn't believe in belief (except as a tool to be used, adapted and discarded at will) that is one of the few things i choose to consider an absolute in my world view. but it is tempered by another "law" that i respect above all others. a pair of laws actually, each of which is influenced by the other:

do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law.

love is the law,love under will.

what seems to be a contradiction of two laws is resolved by the fact that "what thou wilt" can be nothing but love, if you think a grand cosmic scale. your love is your driving pasion in life, and you can do nothing but follow it - but many people caught up in the laws of society ignore this basic law, deny their dreams, and thus suffer the inevitable diseases, depression, tragedy, calamity, etc.

Informing the Law (which may appear two fold but by its nature is really just two aspects of one law) is the maxim that "every man and woman is a star." this means that we all have our own orbits, and while we may interact in various positive and negative ways with other celestial bodies, we are more or less always on the right track. the only "sin" then is to interfere with another- by swerving so far out of orbit that you knock someone AGAINST THEIR WILL out of their orbit. it is really the golden rule - do unto others as you would have done unto you. that doesn't mean make others do what you want them to do - it means give them the same freedoms you would want yourself.

and so, in a perfect world - one not programmed by years of state and church to rely on authority - the only sin would be that of interfering with another's will. and if we all could follow our own wills without fear of interference and retaliation (as we currently suffer from the control machine) then i think we would find ourselves in natural harmony much like that of the planets around the universe. sure, there might be the occasional turbulence or rare collision, but in most cases, we would all "live and let live" which is maybe the most succint law of all.

the ONLY crime is that which restricts an individual's complete and total freedom. by this definition, crime would include things like murder and rape - in which the victim is helplessly subjected to another's will - but would not include things just as a justified vengeance (your perpetrator enemy could not subjugate another indvidual's free will unless ready to take the consequences - karma demands it) , any consensual sexual acts between any humans, any kind of demonstration which takes place on public property, any kind of artistic expression however violent or obscene even it if is termed "hateful" (which is basically a blanket excuse against anyone who dissents against anything.)

I'm basically riffing on the idea that government is a fiction and that we should be better without it - however, due to thousands of years of conditioning to accept the state, church, etc, most people WOULD descend into violence and madness in the warm arms of big brother government were taken away. we've been programmed to think that martial law leads to anarchy which leads to rioting, looting, killing, etc. It doesn't have to be that way. Whatever your political or religious beliefs, it doesn't matter, we should all join together as free and sovereign individuals, regardless of sex or race or religion or all the other divisive divide-and-conquer strategies they use against us. We all are humans. A government is not a person - it is a construct built to control people. If you want to be a patriot, love your land and love your people - but spare no love for what you call the state or nation; they the slavemasters of everything and everyone you hold dear. It is a sad fact of America that patriotism has often become associated with loving our slave masters.

EVERY LAW and EVERY GOVERNMENT upon the face of this globe is hereby declared invalid. As Bob Marley said, every government on the face of this earth is illegal , every law is illegal.

BEAUTIFULLY SPOKEN!


i'm actually surprised. It is a rarity tto find one who understands part of the Liber al Legis. (tho the meanings go deeper, but of course... like the bible, the oahspe writs, the writings of zarathustra, etc - it is a never-ending study that brings constant psychological/spiritual evolution and expansion)


most people just look at that book and get a "duuurrrrr" look on their face.

point precisely.

it even admits it on its own by its legal bounds, all entities in LAW (notice caps) are LEGAL fictions, even that LAW itself.

Cool thread OP...


"everything is true, nothing is accepted".

:)

i like that. it is a great reflection for the phrase

It's funny that, I haven't been here much lately but I been thinking all week about this very thing.

How "reality" might be perceived as fluid or dreamlike and only as real as it is because of the merit you give to it.
It's as real as your mind wants it to be.
It's hard to explain.


As far as the truth goes I concluded I no longer want to be seeking the truth, I want to be smack bang in the middle of it.

All part of the reason.

I also though it's a quirky notion to believe that the past is the past and cannot be changed but the future, now that you can change.
Which in a way would mean that reality is a ongoing creation being made up as we go along, then falling into the past becoming only memories and were no one can go, so what was real is no more, only that which you can currently experience can be called real.
That which has not yet occurred is also not real yet because it is not being experienced, so reality is only a state which exists within you now and that ,sometimes ,feels almost dreamlike.

My head hurts.



ps:EDITED, sry magi.

interesting perspective.


Then again, maybe the past and future are fundamentally the same in comparison to the present.

Like, the whole time is a solid object, and we are going thru several cut-out images of each layer... And it is all in reality fluid, it could all be changed at any moment.

As bill hicks said, it is only a choice.

Choice. Yes.....good one...
There's no denying the choices you make determine how you feel, were you end up or what circumstances and experiences you create for yourself, ergo your reality.

i've made mine... have you?

I wish I could but I can't answer that, the ego and his buddy Self Importance are not allowed out to play.

ps: It's a curiosity how reality and relativity are so similar.

actually, thinking about it, i guess it was a rhetorical question.

you're here as you are, as am i, so we have both made that decision for now... we can change it later tho


my decision that i have made tho, beyond that, is for Love. To live Love, to show Love, to share Love - even if it is not reciprocated.


at first, it seemed all "la dee da" and easy going. I thought it was going to make everything so much "better", regarding happiness and acceptance, and it did at first.

Now, tho, i am discovering just how hard of a path i've chosen.

The less you try to "nail" things down and label them, the more you see them for their true natures. It's funny that when a person is unattached from defining the world, interesting and syncronistic event occur.

The more a person tries to lock into a pre-programmed responses, the duller and grayer the world looks. That's because things are never static. Nature is always changing. Seasons change. Birth, growth, decay, rebirth are all living examples of the alchemical process and transmutation from one thing to another.

Ah rhetorical,righto then.

If it's hard then perhaps it's not being done right?

There's maybe a few more choices that have not yet been made?

Incomplete

Somehow I think the cornerstone that the builders rejected comes into this. Where do we start from? What is the end? You have to know the beginning. Not the circle of the snake eating its tail, but the circle appears a circle from one direction, but from the right angle you can see it is a spiral.

So if possible, One thing Is True, Not everything is permitted would be the guiding form. I think we have it wrong so many years because we ultimately reject Truth.

What is Love?

Strange things (syncs, signs)are happening all the time (yes ok, to me personally as well) but defining,questioning reality, looking deeper, is exactly what helps you to understand all things better and get a proper grip, to detach.(EDIT: I just realised that was a funny way to get a grip, become detached, perhaps that is reality, you could be right Hypatia.)
Another though was never stop questioning.

Your going through this reality, living it, like it or not, it's up to you to decide ,do you want to go through it happy or miserable?
Might as well choose the former because in the end all is dust and it's happening to you, like it or not.

Unsure how to proceed...

What is Love is a good question.

I fully agree that the answer lies in origins.

Just popped in to say hello!

Nice thread OP.

not to nail things down... but you just nailed it!






Very true. Ride the spiral to the "end", you may just go where no one's been, in the words of maynard.


"oh oh the stone that the builders refused, shall always be the head cornerstone... you're a builder baby, and here i am a stone" - Bob Marley




I'm not quite sure of its full extent... i've meditated on it much and it always shows new things. maybe that's where it all comes from? Love, and it is neverending, ever expanding.

good to see you.

Peace and Love and Good Tidings to you!

very fine insight... wish more people would know this

That permission part in the op magi, super.

One thing I'm sure of is that the global reality that has been created is absolute bullshit.

Detaching from and zoning into the one that you have created, which would be a better form of reality would be the trick hey.

Give permission only to your own sense of reality.

That is when things are more real.

Good one.

Any further thoughts on why it is hard for you to live in love?

Perhaps something you thought was good for you or helping is putting a block on?

Point, aim, fire, target down!

reality is personal, it may be shared, but in all truth it is up to the individual




i think the hardest part is coming to acceptance of the fact that it is mostly not reciprocated.

That is hard.

It's like turning the other cheek only to have it struck and so you must offer again the first and then turn the other and then the other and so on.

it's a constant fight, and regardless of whether or not i'm winning, i'm getting my ass kicked



yes an no...

I have a LOT of maturing to do. a LOT of learning. A LOT of acceptance and forgiveness i must give.

that's what it is, GIVING.

and that is a very hard thing to do.

illuminati lucifarian bullshit.