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ICE SHELF BREAKS OFF NOW 2 QUAKES NEAR ANTARTICA! ANY CONNECTION?

 
childoflight
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I heard today that a MASSIVE ice shelf has broken off from Antartica! Within the hour we have had 2 quakes in the region both in the 5.3- 5.4 range. Do you guys think there is any connection? What might come next? Has anyone estimated the ocean level rise from this? hiding
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Link?

How massive we talking?
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I think there is a connection.
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No the real problem is the one behind it.Cliff was talking about this last week.It could cause the globel coastal flooding event.
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very weird zone they occurred, not very usual to see them so near the south pole
check [link to earthquake.usgs.gov]
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the rule is noob

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14,000 square kilometers of the Wilkins Ice Shelf has broken off!It was reported today by Spain's National Research Council, the CSIC!It can be Googled!There are HUGE icebergs 1600 km south of the Southern tip of South America.This is almost the entie Wilkins Shelf. VERY LITTLE remains!!!!!
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I've been wondering lately what the F*%# they've been up to down there.
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the rule is noob

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I can assure you that I don't! I just don't know how to give you the link but I have given you the key words that can be Googled! This if true is HUGE!!!!The scientists had been predicting it! The other day it was hanging on by a few kilometers. Now it has broken free.
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Here ya go OP! :)

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Wilkins Ice Shelf collapses
By: thinkSPAIN , Tuesday, February 17, 2009


A 14,000 square km shelf of ice, almost twice the area of the Basque Country, has broken off the Wilkins Ice Shelf in the Antarctic. Scientists believe the ice shelf is crumbling as a result of global warming.

The Spanish National Research Council (CSIC) has reported today that the resulting giant icebergs are now floating around in the Antarctic Ocean.

A team of CSIC scientists have been in the area investigating the impact of the crumbling ice shelf on the ecosystem in the Belinghausen Sea, to the west of the Antarctic peninsula.

Over the past two weeks, the scientists have seen the ice shelf on the edge of the Belinghausen Sea recede 550km and have noted that the water temperatures are extraordinarily warm in this area.

Experts have warned that the breaking away of this massive ice shelf will ultimately have notable consequences on the sea level.

CSIC scientist, Jordi Dachs, reported that his team had found 'a very high level of biological production' in the areas where the fragments of ice have gone and that there is 'abundant fauna, with the largest concentration of humpback whales and leopard seals' they have seen up until now.

'We have also found very low levels of CO2 in the sea water' he continued, 'suggesting that the increase in sunlight getting through and the elements released by the breaking ice fertilise the water'.

Pedro Luis de la Puente, captain of the BIO Hespérides the scientists are working from, underlined the dangers of navigating in these areas, which have 'never had a full topographical survey as they have been covered in ice up until now'. The water is thought to be between 150 and 300 metres deep and the scientists are encountering icebergs that have run aground, suggesting that they could be approximately 200 metres thick.

In the past 50 years, Antarctica has seen the greatest temperature increase across the whole planet: 0.5 degrees centigrade per decade, and the area is seeing a dramatic loss of ice, much greater even than scientists had anticipated.
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THANK YOU!!!!!!!! hfInterestingly the qukaes are a ways away from where the ice shelf was. Maybe something is balancing itsself out?
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fireballs, eartquakes near the south pole, gigantic floating icebergs, gigantic octupus and rare fish, unusual brightness of Venus, what are these signs?
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the rule is noob

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I can assure you that I don't! I just don't know how to give you the link but I have given you the key words that can be Googled! This if true is HUGE!!!!The scientists had been predicting it! The other day it was hanging on by a few kilometers. Now it has broken free.
 Quoting: childoflight 617129


OP, if you are reading a web page you can highlight the website address (click and drag until it's highlighted) and then either hit the right mouse key and select copy or if you are on a Mac Apple+C. Then go to your post and place the cursor in the box wherever you want to place the link then either do a right mouse click again and select paste, or if you are on a Mac hit Apple+V.

Hope that helps for future postings.
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Thank you for the kind advice! I will try it next time! hf
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THANK YOU!!!!!!!! hfInterestingly the qukaes are a ways away from where the ice shelf was. Maybe something is balancing itsself out?
 Quoting: childoflight 617129



Interesting observation, and it makes sense.....Must have been a good quantity of land based ice for this to occur....does anyone know how much of this shelf was on land???
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another bot hit.

damn, they just dont stop.

listen to his latest interview here [link to www.journeyswithrebecca.com]

where he addresses this issue.

hes been saying this will happen for months.

in fact, this is linked possibly to the global coastal event that he has been forecasting.
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Earthquakes? Were they caused by the undersea volcanoes? Volcanoes would serve like a radiator.
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Re: ICE SHELF BREAKS OFF NOW 2 QUAKES NEAR ANTARTICA! ANY CONNECTION?
THANK YOU!!!!!!!! hfInterestingly the quakes are a ways away from where the ice shelf was. Maybe something is balancing itsself out?

The shelf is over water but is a product of a land glacier slipping into the ocean. Now that it is gone maybe the glaciers will proceed more quickly from land into the ocean!

Interesting observation, and it makes sense.....Must have been a good quantity of land based ice for this to occur....does anyone know how much of this shelf was on land???
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See answer above! I got it in the wrong place! Sorry!
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And a Cruise Ship running aground there!!!



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A Bahamas-flagged cruise ship with 104 people onboard ran aground off Antarctica on Tuesday. The Ocean Nova has been stuck on a sandbank near the Antarctic base of San Marin since early Tuesday. The vessel was to try to float off during the high tide, when the passage through ice widens. "The hull of the 76-meter vessel that was on a cruise off Antarctic coast has not been damaged, there was no fuel leak. The situation is totally under control and passengers are not under threat," said Roberto Ulloa, a spokesman for the Argentine Navy. Preparations to evacuate 74 passengers and 30 crew members to Argentina's Ushuaia, the world's southernmost city, are underway. )
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bumpI would NOT want to be in those waters right nowa withthe departure of the ice sheet some will be unchartered and treacherous!I hope the folks get out of there safely! hf
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"another bot hit."

that would make them 1 for 8 million.

It is it a hit like the win quakes?
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correct me if im wrong, but i think this potentially true news warrants much more attention. Firstly we should VERIFY that the shelf has indeed broken off (because the last reports i heard were that there was a 'thin thread of ice' keeping it joined), secondly we should speculate as to what exactly could be the repercussions of this event. My basic knowledge would tell me that the shelf will drift, melt, cause sea level rise.. but this is very sketchy at best.

get researchin people... no that it matters much, whats gotta happen will happen, but its always nice to be warned.
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it doesn't need to "melt" to make levels rise. it is liek an ice cube in a glass- the water would rise anyway.
But its more like a snowflake in a lake- no rise- bots fail.
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They have been expectiing it for some years. Just last week there was only a slim area of ice holding the whole thing together. Yesterday it apparently broke off! The icebergs are huge and will make sailing treacherous as it will take a while for them to melt. Also there will be nothing to stop the rapid movement of the glacier that caused the ice sheet to form. The sheet held it back before but not now, it will go straight into the sea.This is a very scary situation and very little that can be done. Although the sheet per se is not expected to cause a rise in sea levels as it was over water the new progression of its mother glacier will and quickly too I would imagine. There are many coastal cities that are going to need a system to keep them dry. Venice is getting there and needs to as it is under some water for at least a third of the year. Filks have to walk on wooden platforms on flood days! hiding
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2 words:

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NUKES
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nothing on the news about any ice shelf breeak off.
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LOOK AT THE LINK ABOVE FROM HEARTSONG!This should be on the News as it it a terribly important story with potentially huge ramifications! hiding
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This is an ongoing process rather than a once off sudden event.

Public release date: 25-Mar-2008

Satellite imagery from the University of Colorado at Boulder's National Snow and Ice Data Center shows a portion of Antarctica's massive Wilkins Ice Shelf has begun to collapse because of rapid climate change in a fast-warming region of the continent.

While the area of collapse involves 160 square miles at present, a large part of the 5,000-square-mile Wilkins Ice Shelf is now supported only by a narrow strip of ice between two islands, said CU-Boulder's Ted Scambos, lead scientist at NSIDC. "If there is a little bit more retreat, this last 'ice buttress' could collapse and we'd likely lose about half the total ice shelf area in the next few years."

more here

[link to www.eurekalert.org]


ScienceDaily (July 10, 2008) — The Wilkins Ice Shelf is experiencing further disintegration that is threatening the collapse of the ice bridge connecting the shelf to Charcot Island. Since the connection to the island in the image centre helps to stabilise the ice shelf, it is likely the break-up of the bridge will put the remainder of the ice shelf at risk.

more here

[link to www.sciencedaily.com]




Wilkins ice sheet hanging by an icy thread - January 20, 2009

wilkins_ice_shelf_from_bas_twin_otter_2.jpg
A couple of Reuters journalists are down in the Antarctic taking a snoop around at the moment. (British Antarctic Survey release)

One of their stories tracks the demise of the Wilkins Ice Shelf. “We've come to the Wilkins Ice Shelf to see its final death throes," David Vaughan, a glaciologist with BAS told Reuters.

The ice sheet holding the shelf in place is now, at its thinnest point, 500 metres wide. This could snap off at any moment, says Vaughan. It’s the tenth such shelf to fall to the mercy of the ocean thanks to climate change.

That the shelf is there at all could be a surprise to some – it was on the brink of collapse last March as well, which as we said at the time, was a story first emerging the summer before that.

In a way, it would be nice to be writing this story again next year, just because the ice shelf would have survived. But that seems unlikely.

Photo: Wilkins Ice Shelf from BAS Twin Otter / BAS

more here

[link to blogs.nature.com]


Daily Images of the Wilkins Ice Shelf

At the height of summer in the Southern Hemisphere, many people have been curious whether the small strip of ice connecting the Wilkins Ice Shelf to Charcot Island will collapse. The European Space Association (ESA) is now posting daily images acquired by Envisat’s Advanced Synthetic Aperture Radar (ASAR). Visit the ESA 'Web cam' from Space Web page at [link to www.esa.int]

When conditions are clear, NSIDC also posts images of the Wilkins Ice Shelf from the NASA MODIS satellite. To access images, see the NSIDC Images of Antarctic Ice Shelves: Wilkins Ice Shelf Web page.

[link to nsidc.org]


ESA single image by day link.

[link to www.esa.int]
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Note also that as of 17-02-09 the ice bridge is still in place.


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Re: ICE SHELF BREAKS OFF NOW 2 QUAKES NEAR ANTARTICA! ANY CONNECTION?
fireballs, eartquakes near the south pole, gigantic floating icebergs, gigantic octupus and rare fish, unusual brightness of Venus, what are these signs?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 617119

bump

i remember reading somewhere (and if i recall where, i'll post the link) that in past times of ELE events, researchers think there were lotsof weird events going on as some sort of precursors. apparently before the dinos' went tits up, there were mass exticitions and swarms of various insects etc. as well as strange weather & seismic activity.

now as i say, i can't recall where i read this, but it surely seems reminiscent of today. makes you wonder what's over the horizon.
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LOL!

Just HOW will the fucking sea levels rise?





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