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PREDICTION - WE´RE GOING TO WAR WITH IRAN!! And what about Rumsfeld´s secret police?

 
Anonymer Held
01/23/2005 11:01 AM
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You can bet on it!

As I´ve stated many times, the Spartan/Nazis always telegraph their moves. The buzz has been out there. Then Ms. White Rice mentions it at her confirmation hearings. Now on Fox News this morning an in-depth discussion of Iran´s nuclear weapon capability. Thre was this map of Iran and it seems there were dots all over the board indicating where these installations are. Remember Colin Powell´s cheesy PowerPoint presentation at the UN? He´d point and say, "Here is a WMD! And here is a WMD! And right here is where Hussein is hiding!" Of course, all that info was completely wrong! But according to Colin we were going to "thread the needle" and ONLY hit these locations. Had such reliable information. Right!

So it´s deja vu all over again (I can almost hear Dionne Warwick singing) and they´re trying that shit again! The thing is they actually talked about Rumsfeld and the new secret police that report ONLY to him and bypass Congressional oversight. Hmmm..... And some want to say that this isn´t turning into Nazi Germany? It´s funny the tactical move to establish the need for the secret police. They pollute the CIA with false documents that they then rely on, get rid of key figures so that no real investigations take place, and voile! They suddenly get their own SS officers.

Of course, the other thing is where the hell are they getting the troops and money to go to war? The Social Security funds? How? The troops have had their tours extended already, and if there´s no draft then ..... ? Mercenaries? Where´s the money coming from to pay these guys?
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12/08/2005 10:12 AM
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12/08/2005 10:12 AM
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Just my opinion; this is a ploy to induce Iran to attack Israel (kickoff WWW3). Then we attack Iran & Syria, reinstate the draft, pissoff Russia and China and then we get put under martial law just before Russia launches its attack. An all-out nuclear exchange follows and the US is out of the picture. Iran may use Syria as the launch site to hide its hand, but it is my sincere beleif that Iran already has a few nuclear weapons ready for deployment. Syria may also have some of the "missing" weapons from the old Soviet inventory. We will know soon enough.
Anonymer Held
12/08/2005 10:12 AM
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RE: "Just my opinion; this is a ploy to induce Iran to attack Israel (kickoff WWW3)."

Why would this induce Iran to attack Israel? They know an attack on Israel would give us license to IMMEDIATELY attack them!

I believe it would induce them to go and get alliances formed with Russia or China. Then if we attack them, we´re also attacking a possible sleeping giant.

Not good. Not good at all.
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12/08/2005 10:12 AM
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This is the game they play.

Winston Churchill: ‘In wartime ...truth is so precious that she should always be attended by a bodyguard of lies.’
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12/08/2005 10:12 AM
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If we do, we deserve to get nuked
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12/08/2005 10:12 AM
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If my post got your brain working then I did some good. But read it again; I said Iran may use
Syria to launch its attack to hide its hand. This is just a possible scenario and is entirely plausible given the unstable minds of these ayatollahs. Peace appears to be breaking out between Israel and Palestine; this must take place before the appearance of the antichrist and then Armaggedon. The stage IS being set and the players are almost ready to act.
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Messenger you make some sense, especially regarding impetus for the draft..we HSVE to do it, it´s WWIII! I doubt the Russian attack part...ultime bataille we are allies.
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12/08/2005 10:12 AM
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They want to control crude oil production. They want to exercise authority over this critical asset that is so fundamental to shaping world economies. They have controls over refining and the distribution of end products, but they lack control over the production, particularly in the Middle East. This is the fundamental goal, but it’s surrounded by the tributary objectives of bringing a Western culture to the region and slowly, but surely, homogenizing the world’s culture. They want this global culture as a framework in which to create global regulation.
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"Peace appears to be breaking out between Israel and Palestine"

This happens at least twice per year. Don´t go by that.
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And there was an ´expert´ on cbc newsworld the other day saying that iran has weapons and that they´re ´months´ away from nuclear power and that ´they will use them´ in the middle east

So count canada on the side to bomb iran


But count the canadian PEOPLE out. Canadians are too smart to be manipulated for long. We´re quiet (except for me, it seems), but we tend to distance ourselves (ie, change course) from our wrong actions once it becomes apparent we´re doing the wrong thing.
Anonymer Held
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Messenger -

I did read your post. I mean, I don´t know anything more than you do, so I don´t want to post like I think I do. But this doesn´t make sense to me.

RE: "If my post got your brain working then I did some good. But read it again; I said Iran may use
Syria to launch its attack to hide its hand. This is just a possible scenario and is entirely plausible given the unstable minds of these ayatollahs. Peace appears to be breaking out between Israel and Palestine; this must take place before the appearance of the antichrist and then Armaggedon. The stage IS being set and the players are almost ready to act."

I don´t think the ayatollahs are the ones with the unstable minds. We have a few in our own country and they have the might to actually cause trouble by being such loose cannons.

To my mind, there is no peace breaking out between Israel and Palestine. There are periods where the armed warfare seems to still, but it´s cyclical.

Strategically, it would seem much more likely for Iran to start looking for allies to help them out. Are they oil rich? This would be a possible way to get that help. Also is Iran a needed country for that pipeline that the US is building? This could be another reason for an alliance. This would mean China´s pipeline would be relied on more heavily and the US´s would have a country missing and be badly hurt having to circumvent Iran.

Just my two cents.
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12/08/2005 10:12 AM
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Is this really a shock?end
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:12 AM
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Why do you people keep saying "Then Russia launches a nuclear attack and the U.S. is out of the picture"? There is an agenda behind all this and believe me, it is not mindless. Those of you who think the U.S. has wasted 20 years relying on nuclear weapons for offense and defense would be surprised what a "black" budget has produced.
Emperor Kenton
12/08/2005 10:12 AM
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PREDICTION: everything is going to fall to poop.
Anonymer Held
12/08/2005 10:12 AM
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RE: "PREDICTION: everything is going to fall to poop."

You mean like this? --------> poop


Or like this? --------> :dubya:
Anonymous Coward
12/08/2005 10:12 AM
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Those of you who think the U.S. has wasted 20 years relying on nuclear weapons for offense and defense would be surprised what a "black" budget has produced.

bingo

most intelligent post here
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12/08/2005 10:12 AM
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Good point on "Black Budgets". But we really don´t know for sure what these "black" projects have produced. As in WW1 & WW2 new technoligies were introduced to the battlefield (practical tanks, rockets and the A-bomb); Korea saw the jet fighter; Vietnam saw night vision, helicopters and other improved weapons; the Cold War was satellites, spy planes and ICBM´s; Desert Storm showed improved tactical and strategic thinking (computers), stealth technology and prcision guided bombs; what will the next war reveal?
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12/08/2005 10:12 AM
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Looks like the black budgets have been used mostly to subvert and degenerate our own system.
Emperor Kenton
12/08/2005 10:12 AM
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Not a good idea to pretend that China is lagging behind in technology
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12/08/2005 10:12 AM
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Yeah Kent, let´s not forget China. The problem I see is that when these bad boys get new toys they want to use them for ill and not for good. It´s all about whose the biggest, baddest bastard on the playground.
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12/08/2005 10:12 AM
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heheheheheh,
you want to know what secrets the silent service guard?
it´s not neutron bomb tech, that´s old.
ARV´s? ha! old school.

try temporal distortion tech.
we´re hundreds of years ahead of everyone else.
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12/08/2005 10:12 AM
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Pop that latest "all the frills "computer apart and look for manufacturers--- All Chinese.
I don´t sense a war here at this time. Iran is an oil producer- 2 big customers, US and China- The middle man (UK) sees no profit from a war. 20 years ago there would have been profit in it.
In another few years Britan may decide that theres more profit inm China than America and you will see war.
Anonymer Held
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China should not be engaged at any cost! Seems any military strategist would know that. China awakens and you´re gonna lose! They´ve never wandered far from their borders, but ostensibly they could.

Black projects ........ Hmmmmmmmmmmm? That would mean this show of incompetence is just show. Are there intelligent people pulling the strings? I remember Poppy Spooky Bush pushing for Dan Quayle to be President. So it seems they wanted someone to be an idiot in the Oval Office. But then 9/11 had thousands of discrepancies in it. Obviously was an inside job. So it seems they are incompetent. Don´t know what´s worse competent people having superweapons or incompetent ones?

In terms of strategy, do we sheople just sit back and let these war games continue? Is there anything really that can be done? Can the Europeans get together and try Bush as a war criminal? Might be fun.
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Rumsfeld appears to be fighting a losing battle with senility.
Anonymer Held
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A/C 12:43 -

RE: "Pop that latest "all the frills "computer apart and look for manufacturers--- All Chinese.
I don´t sense a war here at this time. Iran is an oil producer- 2 big customers, US and China- The middle man (UK) sees no profit from a war."

Yes, but China has a competitive oil pipeline. I remember reading about how they signed an alliance with an American company. So this may be tactical for them to back Iran.

[link to www.kazakhstaninvestment.com]

"China has viewed as positive Kazakhstan´s proposal to transport Russian crude oil through the Atasu-Alashankou pipeline that will be co-owned by China and Kazakhstan. The pipeline´s construction will begin shortly, a source in the China National Petroleum Corporation (CNPC) stated Interfax on condition of anonymity. ..."

"... At the same time Kachalo confirmed that Kellog Brown and Root, a subsidiary of the American company Halliburton, has already discussed the gas project´s the feasibility study, which has passed the state examination, was approved by the government and has been submitted to the national oil and gas company KazMunaiGas."

Brown and Root! That name came up in a post where someone was trying to find out who controlled the internet access for US troops in Iraq! They´ve been involved in every war including Vietnam. And now they´re in oil and gas through their link with Halliburton!
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Shop here for your Brown Rootbutt
Anonymer Held
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Found this about this guy Bertram Gross. Seems he predicted correctly about the US falling to a "friendly fascism."

I find it fascinating for many reasons the number one being it´s correct. But debunkers ALWAYS try to slip through the loophole that the US is NOT like Nazi Germany and that Bush is NOT EXACTLY like Hitler. But there are striking similarities. No two dictators are the same. But I believe a major part of the argument is that no two fascism methodologies are the same. Therefore, the one at work in America is NOT exactly like Nazi Germany, but it is fascism.

Here are his definitions:

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[link to www.democraticunderground.com]

"Bertram Gross

[link to www.questionsquestions.net]


EXCERPT:

The following comparative chart, from Gross´ Friendly Fascism, illustrates the difficulty of tossing around the term "fascism" in our current political environment without first dealing with some of the baggage attached to it:

CLASSIC FASCISM: A tight Government-Big Business oligarchy with charismatic dictator or figurehead, and expansionist, scapegoating, and nationalistic ideologies.

FRIENDLY FASCISM: An integrated Big business—Big Government power structure with new technocratic ideologies and more advanced arts of ruling and fooling the public.

CLASSIC FASCISM: Liquidation or minimalization of multiparty conflict and open subversion, with little use of democratic machinery and human rights.

FRIENDLY FASCISM: Subtle subversion, through manipulative use and control of democratic machinery, parties, and human rights.

CLASSIC FASCISM: Negative sanctions through ruthless, widespread, and high-cost terror; direct action against selected scapegoats.

FRIENDLY FASCISM: Direct terror applie through low-level violence and professionalized, low-cost escalation, with indirect terror through ethnic conflicts, multiple scapegoats, and organized disorder.

CLASSIC FASCISM: Ceaseless propaganda, backed up by spies and informers, to consolidate elite support and mobilize masses.

FRIENDLY FASCISM: Informational offensives backed by high-technology monitoring, to manage minds of elites and immobilize masses.

CLASSIC FASCISM: Widespread benefits through more jobs, stabilized prices, domestic spoils, foreign booty, and upward mobility for the most faithful."

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Now someone on another site broke this down beautifully as it applies to America:

I´ll just quote them because I can´t do any better than this:

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[link to forum.nicestories.com]

"As political theorist Michael Parenti points out, historians often overlook fascism´s economic agenda-the partnership between Big Capital and Big Government-in their analysis of its authoritarian social program. Indeed, according to Bertram Gross in his startlingly prescient Friendly Fascism (1980), it is possible to achieve fascist goals within an ostensibly democratic society. Corporations themselves, after all, are internally authoritarian; and as they increasingly dominate politics, media and economy, they can mold an entire society to serve the interests of a powerful elite without ever resorting to storm troopers and concentration camps. No deliberate conspiracy is necessary, either; each corporation merely acts to further its own economic interests. If the populace shows signs of restlessness, politicians can be hired to appeal to racial resentments and memories of national glory, dividing popular opposition and inspiring loyalty.

In the current situation, "friendly fascism" works somewhat as follows. Corporations drive down wages and pay fewer taxes, gradually impoverishing the middle class and creating unrest. As corporate taxes are cut, politicians (whose election was funded by corporate donors) argue that it is necessary to reduce government services in order to balance the budget. Meanwhile, the same politicians argue for an increase in the repressive functions of government (more prisons, harsher laws, more executions, more military spending). Politicians channel the middle class´s rising resentment away from corporations and toward the government-which, after all, is now less helpful and more repressive than it used to be-and against social groups easy to scapegoat (criminals, minorities, teenagers, women, gays, immigrants). Meanwhile, debate in the media is kept superficial (elections are treated as sporting contests), and right-wing commentators are subsidized while left-of-center ones are marginalized. People who feel cheated by the system turn to the Right for solace and vote for politicians who further subsidize corporations, cut government services, expand the repressive power of the state, and offer irrelevant scapegoats for social problems with economic roots. The process feeds on itself."
Anonymer Held
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Starting to do searches on the original subject, and here is a smoking gun! The propaganda has started! Seems we all we´re aware that Iran has already declared war on the U.S.!!!!!

Read it and weep! And note that this ridiculous announcement is on a CHRISTIAN WEBSITE!!!!!


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[link to www.worldnetdaily.com]

Iran declares war on U.S.

Posted: April 5, 2004
1:00 a.m. Eastern


© 2004 WorldNetDaily.com


"Nobody else is saying it, so, once again, it is left to me to explain what really happened in Iraq yesterday.

Iran declared war on the U.S.

The signs have been there for a long time. I don´t know if they have been intentionally ignored by U.S. forces in Iraq, or whether there is some master plan at the Defense Department to deal with this scenario. ..."

"... Also last April, WorldNetDaily reported that Iran had armed and trained some 40,000 Shiite Iraqi fighters – most former prisoners of war captured during the Iran-Iraq war – and sent them to Iraq to foment an Islamic revolution. The report originated in my premium, online, intelligence newsletter G2 Bulletin.

The report said this small army represents the vanguard of Iran´s effort to subvert the U.S.-led liberation of Iraq and use the toppling of Saddam Hussein´s regime for its own ends.

"Ayatollah Mohammed Bakir Khakim is on record pledging more than once to his followers a plan to impose Islamic rule over Iraq with the help of Iran," reports G2 Bulletin. "The Tehran ayatollahs, or the Pasadran, the powerful revolutionary guard, repeatedly have been telling the Iraqis they would be their legitimate allies and partners. In such a scenario, there is no room for the U.S. The coalition that liberated Iraq is seen by the Iraqi Shiite militants and their Iranian sponsors as a tool for handing Iraq over to them without the need to use a massive force of their own."

Iran has clear objectives in Iraq. The only question is whether the United States still has clear objectives in Iraq – and whether Washington recognizes that this war front just got wider."

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Did you all read that?

THIS WAR FRONT JUST GOT WIDER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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