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Evil Twin

04/05/2009 02:26 AM
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Well, come on, where's your comeback with your sharp wit and constitutional quotes, the ghosts of the children are awaiting you....why so silent?

Which children? So many died today.

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5 kids dead, no cause of death listed. Ban machetes.
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Why not ask the guy in Graham Washington what gun he used? His kids didn't see it because he hid it so well.What do you think was his favorite gun to shoot his children with? Did he have a hard decision to decide?
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You mean the RIFLE he used?
[link to apnews.myway.com]
>Ryan Peden, a classmate of the eldest daughter, said she told him Friday night that her parents had gotten into a fight and her mother had left. The father followed the mother and tried to get her to return, said Peden, 16.<
Those kids were left with a violent man the woman herself fled from.

>Ed Troyer, a spokesman for the Pierce County Sheriff, called it a domestic violence situation and a murder-suicide.<
Domestic violence disqualifies people from making legal firearms purchases.

And lastly:
Start you own topic.
You mental abilities do not qualify you for this one:
>Police found the father's body early Saturday in his still-running car near the Muckleshoot Casino in Auburn, about 30 miles south of Seattle. He had apparently killed himself with a rifle, although no note was left in the car, Auburn Police Sgt. Scott Near said.<
This is a Concealed Carry Handgun topic!

Not a rifle wielding nutcase thread.
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Well, come on, where's your comeback with your sharp wit and constitutional quotes, the ghosts of the children are awaiting you....why so silent?

Which children? So many died today.

[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]

5 kids dead, no cause of death listed. Ban machetes.
 Quoting: Evil Twin

[link to seattletimes.nwsource.com]
Are you happy now, you can see he shot them, another 2nd amendment enthusiast. If he chose a machete, maybe some could have gotten away, but Americans prefer to kill each other with guns, easier, can be done from a safe distance, and is the cowardly way. So brave to shoot your kids, now you can pry his gun from his cold,dead hands.
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04/05/2009 02:39 AM
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Well, come on, where's your comeback with your sharp wit and constitutional quotes, the ghosts of the children are awaiting you....why so silent?

Which children? So many died today.

[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]

5 kids dead, no cause of death listed. Ban machetes.

[link to seattletimes.nwsource.com]
Are you happy now, you can see he shot them, another 2nd amendment enthusiast. If he chose a machete, maybe some could have gotten away, but Americans prefer to kill each other with guns, easier, can be done from a safe distance, and is the cowardly way. So brave to shoot your kids, now you can pry his gun from his cold,dead hands.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 587031

No happier than when that mother chose to drown her kids in her car a couple years ago. Just put the car in gear, stepped out, and let it roll into the lake.
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04/05/2009 02:57 AM
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Why not ask the guy in Graham Washington what gun he used? His kids didn't see it because he hid it so well.What do you think was his favorite gun to shoot his children with? Did he have a hard decision to decide?

You mean the RIFLE he used?
[link to apnews.myway.com]
>Ryan Peden, a classmate of the eldest daughter, said she told him Friday night that her parents had gotten into a fight and her mother had left. The father followed the mother and tried to get her to return, said Peden, 16.<
Those kids were left with a violent man the woman herself fled from.

>Ed Troyer, a spokesman for the Pierce County Sheriff, called it a domestic violence situation and a murder-suicide.<
Domestic violence disqualifies people from making legal firearms purchases.

And lastly:
Start you own topic.
You mental abilities do not qualify you for this one:
>Police found the father's body early Saturday in his still-running car near the Muckleshoot Casino in Auburn, about 30 miles south of Seattle. He had apparently killed himself with a rifle, although no note was left in the car, Auburn Police Sgt. Scott Near said.<
This is a Concealed Carry Handgun topic!

Not a rifle wielding nutcase thread.
 Quoting: himself

So, you think he should not have been permitted to own a rifle? You support gun control? Good for you.You have evolved.I guess you identify more with the Virginia Tech killer, he used handguns, I'm sure he had them concealed before he killed those students.He got his guns legally too. That 2nd amendment is so universally fair to all.I bet he felt like Rambo, so brave and tough with his guns, and you supported his rights, you must be very proud. Are you so brave too? Are you tough because you carry a killing machine in your pocket? Don't mess with you, you are the man!! You can swagger down the sidewalk knowing that if anyone pisses you off, bang, bang, that'll teach them, now swagger some more. You think more guns, more bullets flying is the answer to safety. Why not prevent idiots from buying guns, so you don't have to shoot back and risk death in a crossfire? You are blinded by Hollywood.
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04/05/2009 02:59 AM
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Andrea Yates drowned her five kids in the bathtub.

TOWNSHIP, Mich. -- A Michigan woman apparently drowned her two baby daughters
[link to www.fact.on.ca]

Baltimore P.D.: Dad drowns kids in hotel - 3/31/08 - Philadelphia News
The children were drowned, one at a time, in the tub that night

The Long Island woman who drowned her three kids in a bathtub
[link to www.nydailynews.com]

Ohio woman drowns in bathtub; husband charged ... Drowning is the second leading killer of kids under the age of 14.
[link to www.newsvine.com]

police divers found the body of an 8-year-old boy in Lake Champlain, his wrists had been tied to a makeshift mooring. His mother, 51-year-old Louise Desnoyers, told authorities she had held his head under water, drowning him,

western Pennsylvania woman will spend 10 to 20 years in prison for drowning her 2-year-old son in a shallow creek in 1976,

Police: Man Drowned Child for Insurance

[link to www.ncsl.org]
Motor vehicle crashes are the leading killer of kids under the age of 14

[link to www.bronsonhealth.com]
accidental childhood injuries, the leading killer of children under the age of 14
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04/05/2009 03:08 AM
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Well, come on, where's your comeback with your sharp wit and constitutional quotes, the ghosts of the children are awaiting you....why so silent?

Which children? So many died today.

[link to www.godlikeproductions.com]

5 kids dead, no cause of death listed. Ban machetes.

[link to seattletimes.nwsource.com]
Are you happy now, you can see he shot them, another 2nd amendment enthusiast. If he chose a machete, maybe some could have gotten away, but Americans prefer to kill each other with guns, easier, can be done from a safe distance, and is the cowardly way. So brave to shoot your kids, now you can pry his gun from his cold,dead hands.

No happier than when that mother chose to drown her kids in her car a couple years ago. Just put the car in gear, stepped out, and let it roll into the lake.
 Quoting: Evil Twin

Wow, Susan Smith, that's a reach way back to compare to the killer in Washington. A couple years? Try 1994 almost 15 years ago.How many mass murders have happened since then? Do some research. I'm not suggesting you shouldn't own a gun, I'm suggesting that it shouldn't be so easy for anyone to own one.A 17 shot clip in a handgun? That is 17 times that an innocent person can be killed by a wild shot. Handguns are very inaccurate and unpredictable when not under controlled situations like at a range.Adrenalin makes you shake like a leaf, and in a danger situation it will flow like hell.Wouldn't you feel safer knowing less guns are around you than more?
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04/05/2009 03:14 AM
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Andrea Yates drowned her five kids in the bathtub.

TOWNSHIP, Mich. -- A Michigan woman apparently drowned her two baby daughters
[link to www.fact.on.ca]

Baltimore P.D.: Dad drowns kids in hotel - 3/31/08 - Philadelphia News
The children were drowned, one at a time, in the tub that night

The Long Island woman who drowned her three kids in a bathtub
[link to www.nydailynews.com]

Ohio woman drowns in bathtub; husband charged ... Drowning is the second leading killer of kids under the age of 14.
[link to www.newsvine.com]

police divers found the body of an 8-year-old boy in Lake Champlain, his wrists had been tied to a makeshift mooring. His mother, 51-year-old Louise Desnoyers, told authorities she had held his head under water, drowning him,

western Pennsylvania woman will spend 10 to 20 years in prison for drowning her 2-year-old son in a shallow creek in 1976,

Police: Man Drowned Child for Insurance

[link to www.ncsl.org]
Motor vehicle crashes are the leading killer of kids under the age of 14

[link to www.bronsonhealth.com]
accidental childhood injuries, the leading killer of children under the age of 14
 Quoting: himself

Okay, now list the stories of handgun killings, that will keep you busy. I don't deny that your society is full of child killers, I'm asking if you support the right for anyone to bear arms that is a citizen, or do you support control for some people? Answer the direct question, this is a gun thread, not a child killing thread. Should I google a search for children shot by their parents or should you not cloud the issue?
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04/05/2009 03:15 AM
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{edit to add: Eventually in every gun thread,
I post my belief that every law-abiding citizen should get a Concealed Carry Permit. I will not sell any of my guns to anyone who does not have a CCW permit!
Police do a background check in each of the several States that have issued me my CCW permits.}
So, you think he should not have been permitted to own a rifle? You support gun control?
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 587031

Gun Control defined by ME:
"No gun under MY control, will ever be used to commit a crime!"

Why not prevent idiots from buying guns,
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 587031

Nearly every drug dealer on the Gulf Coast can sell a gun
somebody has traded to him in exchange for drugs.
so you don't have to shoot back
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 587031

I've watched people wave guns, break windshields, pull knives and chase each other..
Gun in one pocket and cell-phone in the other.
I used the cell-phone!

When there is no option but shoot back or die?
Been there. ____ Designed the shirt./ BTDTDTS
I'm still alive to post this.
You are blinded by Hollywood.
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 587031
Fortunately hollywood shows criminals and thugs stupid 'hold the gun sideways' and 'shoot from the hip' and 'sling the bullets" methods that save cops and citizens' lives;
By throwing bullets past their target.
Leave 'em stupid.
Cannot disarm criminals. Arrest one, and he buys another gun from a drug dealer when he makes bail.
{edit to add: It would take hundreds of posts to list all the times legally armed citizens have sucessfully fought back against criminal assaults. }

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04/05/2009 03:29 AM
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Why not ask the guy in Graham Washington what gun he used? His kids didn't see it because he hid it so well.What do you think was his favorite gun to shoot his children with? Did he have a hard decision to decide?

You mean the RIFLE he used?
[link to apnews.myway.com]
>Ryan Peden, a classmate of the eldest daughter, said she told him Friday night that her parents had gotten into a fight and her mother had left. The father followed the mother and tried to get her to return, said Peden, 16.<
Those kids were left with a violent man the woman herself fled from.

>Ed Troyer, a spokesman for the Pierce County Sheriff, called it a domestic violence situation and a murder-suicide.<
Domestic violence disqualifies people from making legal firearms purchases.

And lastly:
Start you own topic.
You mental abilities do not qualify you for this one:
>Police found the father's body early Saturday in his still-running car near the Muckleshoot Casino in Auburn, about 30 miles south of Seattle. He had apparently killed himself with a rifle, although no note was left in the car, Auburn Police Sgt. Scott Near said.<
This is a Concealed Carry Handgun topic!

Not a rifle wielding nutcase thread.

So, you think he should not have been permitted to own a rifle? You support gun control? Good for you.You have evolved.I guess you identify more with the Virginia Tech killer, he used handguns, I'm sure he had them concealed before he killed those students.He got his guns legally too. That 2nd amendment is so universally fair to all.I bet he felt like Rambo, so brave and tough with his guns, and you supported his rights, you must be very proud. Are you so brave too? Are you tough because you carry a killing machine in your pocket? Don't mess with you, you are the man!! You can swagger down the sidewalk knowing that if anyone pisses you off, bang, bang, that'll teach them, now swagger some more. You think more guns, more bullets flying is the answer to safety. Why not prevent idiots from buying guns, so you don't have to shoot back and risk death in a crossfire? You are blinded by Hollywood.
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No he didnt , he lied on his applications. That isnt legal. He said he had never been hospitalized for mental disorders, when in fact he had. In fact he had been seen by the schools psyciatrist who recommended he be monitored. But he wasn't. Its sad when anyone looses their life prematurely, but cars kill many more people then guns. Doctors kill more people then guns, smoking, drinking, fast food...all kill more people then guns. They never show you when a gun was used to save a life.
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{edit to add: Eventually in every gun thread,
I post my belief that every law-abiding citizen should get a Concealed Carry Permit. I will not sell any of my guns to anyone who does not have a CCW permit!
Police do a background check in each of the several States that have issued me my CCW permits.}



So, you think he should not have been permitted to own a rifle? You support gun control?
Gun Control defined by ME:
"No gun under MY control, will ever be used to commit a crime!"


Why not prevent idiots from buying guns,

Nearly every drug dealer on the Gulf Coast can sell a gun
somebody has traded to him in exchange for drugs.

so you don't have to shoot back
I've watched people wave guns, break windshields, pull knives and chase each other..
Gun in one pocket and cell-phone in the other.
I used the cell-phone!

When there is no option but shoot back or die?
Been there. ____ Designed the shirt./ BTDTDTS
I'm still alive to post this.

You are blinded by Hollywood.
Fortunately hollywood shows criminals and thugs stupid 'hold the gun sideways' and 'shoot from the hip' and 'sling the bullets" methods that save cops and citizens' lives;
By throwing bullets past their target.
Leave 'em stupid.
Cannot disarm criminals. Arrest one, and he buys another gun from a drug dealer when he makes bail.

{edit to add: It would taken hundreds of posts to list all the times armed citizens have sucessfully fought back against criminal assaults. }
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You are a responsible and sensible person. Maybe the punishment for illegal gun possession is too lenient.How about 20 years for illegal possession or sale of a firearm? Deterrence may help, most guns are initially sold legally, with a paper trail. Maybe a 50 percent deposit on top of the sale price of a gun, to encourage proper storage, or encourage surrendering of guns instead of selling them on the black market.There must be some way to reduce illegal guns....
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04/05/2009 03:42 AM
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Smith & Wesson Sigma in .40 SW

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Maybe the punishment for illegal gun possession is too lenient.How about 20 years for illegal possession or sale of a firearm?
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Good idea!

Deterrence may help, most guns are initially sold legally, with a paper trail. Maybe a 50 percent deposit on top of the sale price of a gun, to encourage proper storage,
 Quoting: Anonymous Coward 587031
Making it harder for law-abiding citizens to be armed is going at the problem backwards.
It's criminals that use guns to commit violence.

or encourage surrendering of guns instead of selling them on the black market.There must be some way to reduce illegal guns....
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Many gun buyback programs take junk guns off the street.
Good idea!

I recall (my age shows here) BATF used to have a display at their HQ which included thompsons which had been torched into pieces and dumped into the ocean off NJ.
Then recovered by criminals who welded them back together and machined them into working again.
They also had a 9mm submachine gun made in a prison, from water pipe and scrap.

Zip guns are crude homemade guns often used in crime.

Paper-trail*
WWI & WWII & Ko9rean War surplus guns were dumped cheaply before the 1968 Gun Control Act began that paper trail.
Millions of guns, or more like tens of millions of undocumented guns are in America.
Burglaries, and kids selling daddy's gun for drugs put them on the illegal market often.

I got called into a local gun shop to identify a 'whatzit' being offerred for sale.
It was a German WWII vintage STG44 assault rifle. Full auto.
Gun shop owner sent them out. Call the cops? I asked him.
They know where my shop is. I don't want it torched.
That gun is out there, for sale to anybody with cash.
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Smith & Wesson Sigma in .40 SW

[link to www.gundirectory.com]
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[link to www.smithandwessonsigma.com]

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I prefer edged weapons. Easier to conceal and real easy to use up close.

Arteries are real easy to cut and you DON'T survive.
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Smith & Wesson Sigma in .40 SW

[link to www.gundirectory.com]


[link to www.smithandwessonsigma.com]

Resource for everyone interested in Concealed Carry:
[link to www.usconcealedcarry.com]
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Thanks, your link is better.

BTW, does anyone find that using a laser really adds anything to their handgun? I've always looked at them as nothing more than a cool toy to show off to friends.
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Smith & Wesson Sigma in .40 SW

[link to www.gundirectory.com]


[link to www.smithandwessonsigma.com]

Resource for everyone interested in Concealed Carry:
[link to www.usconcealedcarry.com]


Thanks, your link is better.

BTW, does anyone find that using a laser really adds anything to their handgun? I've always looked at them as nothing more than a cool toy to show off to friends.
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I like mine. It works great, i can make follow up shots much faster not having to realign sights. At 25 meters i can empty the mag into a 3-4 inch group almost as fast as i can pull the trigger. Also from a real world perspective you dont need to bring your weapon all the way up to your line of sight to shoot accurately. Im pretty tough on my gun, it goes for 4 wheeler rides. gets wet alot, stays wet a while. fired 3k rounds maybe thru it and laser has not gone out of zero. Batteries are still the original. I like the CT activation instead of on off, you only squeeze it when you want it so it cant be traced back to you till your ready you use it. I trust it much more then my open nightsites.

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Cop/gun writer Massad Ayoob
>Each and every one of them had died from a sudden and acute failure of the victim selection process. This is why each and every one of the deaths Thomas inflicted was ruled a justifiable homicide.< from link article page 3

[link to findarticles.com]
>Tactical Lessons

Some observers in the gun world thought Thomas would have been better served to carry his hardware on his person instead of stashing the guns in strategic locations in the shop The theory is that when the gun is on your person. it is always where you can reach it, and also simultaneously secured from unauthorized personnel.

The criticism has some validity; In his third gunfight, if Thomas could have quick-drawn from his hip instead of having to stretch and reach for his SIG, he might not have taken that first gunshot to the neck, which came so close to killing him.


We each bring our own preferences and habits to these topics.< from link article page 3
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>Practice is critical. Turning Point filmed Thomas at a shooting range, firing rapidly from a Weaver stance. Kirchner notes that he constantly practiced quick-draw of his guns from their resting places. There can be no doubt that both of these practices helped Lance Thomas survive his gunfights.

Firepower was a factor in all but the first, three-shot incident. The next three averaged more than a dozen shots by Thomas per incident. Add in the first shooting, and it still comes out to at least 10 shots per gunfight fired by the defender, 19 shots in one incident. Once the scope of the predictable threat became evident to him, Thomas was wise indeed to upgrade his firepower from the five-shot, snubnose revolver he started with.

Some critics-- usually ensconced safely in armchairs-- opine that five shots should be enough for five perpetrators. Well, well. One of Thomas antagonists apparently thought that four shots would be enough for one Rolex dealer: he shot Thomas four times. Thomas sucked up the four gunshot wounds and then proceeded to kill the man who shot him.

Others might suggest, "He just didn't use the right ammo." Really? Unimpressed with the effects of conventional .38 Special ammo in his first shooting, he went to the Glaser Safety Slug, and was underwhelmed with its performance the next time, out in the real world. He shot men multiple times with 9mm and .45 automatics and with .357 Magnum revolvers and had to shoot them again and again.

Sometimes, against dangerous men in the heat of battle, nothing less than multiple serious gunshot wounds will short-out the attack. If we learn nothing else from Lance Thomas' four gunfights, we cannot miss learning this.<

[link to findarticles.com]

My thanks to AC#544249
Thread: AMAZING Story Rolex shop owner has multiple gunfights with robbers over years, kills many bad guys wins all gunfights!!!!!
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Ruger LCP .380
[link to www.gunblast.com]
>The Ruger LCP is very similar in size and weight to the Kel-Tec P3-AT .380 auto pistol.<
[link to www.gunblast.com]
>No concealable handgun carries the power of a medium bore rifle, and in any handgun fight, I would never count on one shot stopping any attacker. Keep shooting until the punk knows he has been shot, and expires or leaves the fight. This rule applies with even a .45 auto pistol<
Quoting: Jeff Quinn

........Kel-Tec.....P3AT..............Ruger LCP
Weight..............7.2 Oz............9.42 Oz
Frame Width.........0.798"............0.790"
Barrel Length.......2.745"............2.796"
Slide Width.........0.748"............0.741"
Overall Length......5.14".............5.172"
Overall Height......3.576"............3.612"
Cartridge Capacity...6+1...............6+1

[link to www.gunblast.com]
Shown with a pocket knife to show it's lighter and not much bigger.

>...I always have a smaller handgun in my pocket. Always. Little guns like this LCP can always be within reach. I stress the word “always” because we never know when trouble will come. We need a gun that can be reached in a fraction of a second. When an attack takes place, the victim is found in the unfair position of having to react to an attack in progress. The attacker has time to plan the event, carefully select his victim, and proceed with the crime. The victim is at a great disadvantage, and is almost always taken by surprise. The gun must be within reach.... <
Quoting: Jeff Quinn

Visit links.
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Kahr P380: New micro compact .380 carry pistol

.380 pistol that is even smaller than the Kel-Tec P3AT.
[link to www.thefirearmblog.com]

>Along with the fairly new Ruger LCP, competition in the .380 compact carry niche is really heating up.

The P380 features a DAO trigger, 6+1 capacity and is obviously chambered in .380 ACP. Much the same specs as the Ruger LCP and Kel-Tec P3AT.<

Rohrbaugh R380
[link to shop.lobogunz.ieasysite.com]

9mm Versus .380 ACP For Self-Defense
By Dick Metcalf, Technical Editor, Shooting Times.
[link to hunting.about.com]

I stand by, and have stayed alive by, the maxim:
A trained marksman with a .22 is more deadly than a chimpanzee with a (.45) thompson.

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Without reading your entire thread OP, here's what I think.

Lots and lots of insane shooting stories lately, sometimes twice a day, here in the States in the mainstream media. Of course I have to think there is an agenda.

Owning a gun reminds me of owning pitbulls.

I've known several pitbull owners who's dogs are as sweet as pie. The owners are good people.

Which brings to mind the guns that kill people.

It's the damn owners who have that mindset of killing.

But you already knew that.

hbh
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Ok,
Since it's at several websites now.
Here is the link to how to win a gunfight:

[link to www.pointshooting.com]

>Here is what the US Army says about that in Field Manual 3-23.35 Combat Training With Pistols M9 AND M11 (June,2003):

"Everyone has the ability to point at an object."

"When a soldier points, he instinctively points at the feature on the object on which his eyes are focused. An impulse from the brain causes the arm and hand to stop when the finger reaches the proper position."

"When the eyes are shifted to a new object or feature, the finger, hand, and arm also shift to this point."

"It is this inherent trait that can be used by a soldier to rapidly and accurately engage targets."

With P&S, you engage your natural ability to point, which allows you to AUTOMATICALLY get COM hits, and even while moving.<

And with practice you hit without aiming out to about 40'

Well beyond typical gunfight range.
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Lady hawk 9mm, Its made for girls, 40 cal. too
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So i suppose all the people killed with a .22 round would agree with you? You sir, are an idiot!

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An article to show someone with no real world self defense experience can spout absolute BS

[link to xavierthoughts.blogspot.com]
> It is true that a face full of .22 ammo will cause most attackers to cease their activities. It is also true that the .22 has taken more lives than any other caliber.<
True, so far

> The argument for "a faceful of .22" holds just as true as the argument for a faceful of .40S&W.

What is lost on many novices is the actual dynamics of self defense. With a .22 pistol, it would take seven well aimed shots to inject the same lead volume of one bullet of .45ACP. Those seven shots take time, and the cumulative effect may not be reached until minutes or even hours later. People have been shot in the face with a .22 and lived. While you are squeezing off your second and third shot, your attacker will not be just standing there waiting for more. They will be continuing the attack, or making it a lot more difficult to shoot them again. <

That article is a 'what if'.

Those seven shots can be delivered in seconds and I promise you head shots get the assailant's undivided attention.
But,
I've seen a man hit 3 times in the head with a cop's .357 who stayed alive and functioning for nearly an hour.

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bump
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in the real world wanted good advice online
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bump for the newbies
& cause I like to look at my avatar pic
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my friend said his simi automatic .380 jammed at the shooting range after 3 shots. ..get double action mim .38 detective special with hollow point bullets in a snub nose and small handle grip for ladies.easy to conceal .get conceal carry permit get certified gun course .it teaches fast response in a lawful way to avoid law suits . you oly get one chance to get it right .then practice often and for gods sake seriously secure and reinforce all your dwellings intry points. . ..





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