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snark![]() Senior Forum Moderator User ID: 572354 ![]() 03/13/2009 12:19 AM ![]() Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | HELL Yeah. T For Texas, T For Tennessee! The virtue of courage is a prerequisite for the practice of all other virtues, because otherwise one is virtuous only when virtue has no cost. There are times when something needs to be done, and yet we know that if we step up and do this needful thing, we will pay a heavy personal price. -C.S. Lewis |
Nailer45 User ID: 647568 ![]() 04/01/2009 08:46 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | The spoken truth is always good to hear. I hope all GM execs and CEO'S lose everything they own and end up homeless begging on the streets. Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny. Thomas Jefferson |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 647617 ![]() 04/01/2009 09:17 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yeah, non-Union so the people can live in double-wide trailers with no insurance. Some of you are falling for it. Unions are not like this across the country, only in some places, usually in some of the northern industrial strongholds. This anti-Union, broad brush statement is not true. Labor, yes union labor, accounts for about 8% of the cost of a vehicle, management accounts for about 25% Talk about misdirection and playing on working class envy, that one of their own blue collar compatriots have it better! |
Anonymous Coward User ID: 626855 ![]() 04/01/2009 09:40 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yeah, non-Union so the people can live in double-wide trailers with no insurance. Some of you are falling for it. Unions are not like this across the country, only in some places, usually in some of the northern industrial strongholds. This anti-Union, broad brush statement is not true. Labor, yes union labor, accounts for about 8% of the cost of a vehicle, management accounts for about 25% Talk about misdirection and playing on working class envy, that one of their own blue collar compatriots have it better! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 647617IF I understand you currectly you are pro-union. Then Exlpain to me why the states that heavily union are the ones that are in the most trouble, Michigan, California, and New York are some that come to mind. WHile the non-union states, Texas, Louisisana, Alabama, others are not in as bad shape. Also lets look at the Autmobile makers, GM is a heavy union operation, Chrylser is pretty much a union comapny also. However, Toyota, Ford, hell even Mercedes are not is quite as bad shape. You know what the difference is the difference is that the second group does not have a strong presence. So these companies can afford to price their vechiles cheaper. Another reason is that car makers have to make cars to meet these cafe standards and just about every state is different in terms of emission requirement which also affect the price of gasoline. TO really make american car companies stronger it is very easy. First, take the power from the unions, they basically tell the car companies what to do. These would automatiaclly maek the price of a GM, or chrysler drop and then magically they would sell more vechiles. Secondly, relax these stupid cafe standards. It would let the car companies make the cars most people would like, and it would also drop the price of gasoline. This is because refinieries would only need to make one type of gasoline, not 50 million( number not accruate). |
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Anonymous Coward User ID: 647617 ![]() 04/01/2009 09:47 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yeah, non-Union so the people can live in double-wide trailers with no insurance. Some of you are falling for it. Unions are not like this across the country, only in some places, usually in some of the northern industrial strongholds. This anti-Union, broad brush statement is not true. Labor, yes union labor, accounts for about 8% of the cost of a vehicle, management accounts for about 25% Talk about misdirection and playing on working class envy, that one of their own blue collar compatriots have it better! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 626855IF I understand you currectly you are pro-union. Then Exlpain to me why the states that heavily union are the ones that are in the most trouble, Michigan, California, and New York are some that come to mind. WHile the non-union states, Texas, Louisisana, Alabama, others are not in as bad shape. Also lets look at the Autmobile makers, GM is a heavy union operation, Chrylser is pretty much a union comapny also. However, Toyota, Ford, hell even Mercedes are not is quite as bad shape. You know what the difference is the difference is that the second group does not have a strong presence. So these companies can afford to price their vechiles cheaper. Another reason is that car makers have to make cars to meet these cafe standards and just about every state is different in terms of emission requirement which also affect the price of gasoline. TO really make american car companies stronger it is very easy. First, take the power from the unions, they basically tell the car companies what to do. These would automatiaclly maek the price of a GM, or chrysler drop and then magically they would sell more vechiles. Secondly, relax these stupid cafe standards. It would let the car companies make the cars most people would like, and it would also drop the price of gasoline. This is because refinieries would only need to make one type of gasoline, not 50 million( number not accruate). Because plants are being built overseas even the non-union labor is apparently too expensive. GM is a BUREAUCRATIC dinosaur which accounts for 3 times the labor cost. What Union are they in? |
Eschatology User ID: 612961 ![]() 04/01/2009 09:58 PM Report Abusive Post Report Copyright Violation | Yeah, non-Union so the people can live in double-wide trailers with no insurance. Some of you are falling for it. Unions are not like this across the country, only in some places, usually in some of the northern industrial strongholds. This anti-Union, broad brush statement is not true. Labor, yes union labor, accounts for about 8% of the cost of a vehicle, management accounts for about 25% Talk about misdirection and playing on working class envy, that one of their own blue collar compatriots have it better! Quoting: Anonymous Coward 647617I worked for a non-union supplier (Japanese) in the 90's. My start pay was $12.50/hr. end pay was $18.95/hr. I had damn good ins. it cost me $3.95/wk ($5k family dental included). I had paid 4 weeks "shut down" time. 2 weeks paid vacation, 5 paid personal days. I owned my home, so no "double-wide" worries for me. I won't deny American management is a waste of money....Reminds me of that old joke.... A Japanese company ( Toyota ) and an American company (General Motors decided to have a canoe race on the Missouri River Both teams practiced long and hard to reach their peak performance before the race. On the big day, the Japanese won by a mile. The Americans, very discouraged and depressed, decided to investigate the reason for the crushing defeat. A management team made up of senior management was formed to investigate and recommend appropriate action. Their conclusion was the Japanese had 8 people rowing and 1 person steering, while the American team had 8 people steering and 1 person rowing. Feeling a deeper study was in order, American management hired a consulting company and paid them a large amount of money for a second opinion. They advised, of course, that too many people were steering the boat, while not enough people were rowing. Not sure of how to utilize that information, but wanting to prevent another loss to the Japanese, the rowing team's management structure was totally reorganized to 4 steering supervisors, 3 area steering superintendents and 1 assistant superintendent steering manager. They also implemented a new performance system that would give the 1 person rowing the boat greater incentive to work harder. It was called the 'Rowing Team Quality First Program,' with meetings, dinners and free pens for the rower. There was discussion of getting new paddles, canoes and other equipment, extra vacation days for practices and bonuses. The next year the Japanese won by two miles. Humiliated, the American management laid off the rower for poor performance, halted development of a new canoe, sold the paddles, and canceled all capital investments for new equipment. The money saved was distributed to the Senior Executives as bonuses and the next year's racing team was out-sourced to India. Sadly, the End. As a man begins to live more seriously within: He begins to live more seriously without. |
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